The tubes are a joke!! [PICS]

[Randy West]

Thank these mother fuckers that stole from your kids. The same people that gave your mother a shittier funeral than she deserves. The same people that would fuck your daughter if they thought it would make them a dollar. Enjoy.

We know who they are, so keep supporting them. Adapt to my cock

[CaptainHowdy]

There's no business like porn business...

[harvey]

[Oracle Porn]

adapt or die

[BarryP]

Paysite owners said TGP's were a joke in '97 -- same shit, different decade.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by BarryP

Paysite owners said TGP's were a joke in '97 -- same shit, different decade.

What do you mean? They didn't say that to us. We made millions for ourselves and paysite with our tgps in the 1990's.

Don't understand the "joke" part, and I can't see any correlation between us signing up as affiliates and promoting the hell out of paysites and making everyone money VS a tube site stealing content from paysites and promoting dating and cams.

The two things are not even in the same category.

[Fat Panda]

I run tubes and the traffic is great! thanks everyone for the free videos! keep on fucking please

[Black Ops]

Originally Posted by BarryP

Paysite owners said TGP's were a joke in '97 -- same shit, different decade.

Same shit, different decade? Are you serious?

16 pics vs a full length free video that was stolen from your site, you can not compare the two.

[mlove]

For the record, I would have sex with anyone's daughter for free.

Also, Would your mother really want her funeral to be paid for by porn income?

[Coup]

nobodies gonna do shit about it so who fucking cares

[mlove]

You people really need to learn how to file DMCA complaints.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

ADG

Lmfao, you always crack me up no matter how hungover.

[Black Ops]

Originally Posted by mlove

You people really need to learn how to file DMCA complaints.

We do. Then they rename the file and a new "user" uploads it a few weeks later. It never ends.

User uploaded stolen porn gets a pass.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by mlove

You people really need to learn how to file DMCA complaints.

You are speaking in ignorance on that. There are THOUSANDS of sites with stolen content on them and thousands of scraper sites off of that.

It's not just "filing a dmca" and that's it for that movie...

HELL NO. It's writing email after email after email to thousands of sites.

I don't have time for that shit and neither does anybody else. Do you?

Of course not, if you're like me you have work to do. Spending your entire days just writing these fucking thieves over and over and over is not what most people got into this business to do.

[Cyber Fucker]

Adopt or die.

[mlove]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You are speaking in ignorance on that. There are THOUSANDS of sites with stolen content on them and thousands of scraper sites off of that.

It's not just "filing a dmca" and that's it for that movie...

HELL NO. It's writing email after email after email to thousands of sites.

I don't have time for that shit and neither does anybody else. Do you?

Of course not, if you're like me you have work to do. Spending your entire days just writing these fucking thieves over and over and over is not what most people got into this business to do.

It should be easy enough to find what sites are getting the most traffic. Just look at the amazon rankings for tube sites, find your content on each, and have a lawyer throw a complaint their way.

If the website in question is a registered service provider, there isn't a lot you can do. This is just the internet, and the law works.

I don't have time for it myself, that's why I'm not a content producer. There are however people out there who will help, http://removeyourcontent.com comes to mind.

And I don't really think there are thousands of sites with new uploads of your content. I think most of them just hotlink to your content from big sites. If you get it removed there, then most of those other sites will fall.

[JBlack]

Originally Posted by Black Ops

Same shit, different decade? Are you serious?

16 pics vs a full length free video that was stolen from your site, you can not compare the two.

I second this post. There is a GI-Fucking-normous difference between a 1-2 min clip in an MPG or 16pics in a galley when compared to a fucking full length video.....I don't see how anyone could even make the comparison..

[dyna mo]

16 pics in a gallery is more than the # of pics in a hustler mag pictorial.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by mlove

It should be easy enough to find what sites are getting the most traffic. Just look at the amazon rankings for tube sites, find your content on each, and have a lawyer throw a complaint their way.

Originally Posted by mlove

I don't have time for it myself, that's why I'm not a content producer. There are however people out there who will help, http://removeyourcontent.com comes to mind.

I think you meant ALEXA rankings. And yes there are TONS of them out there. Not to mention the filesharing sites like rapidshare and the hundreds of those that do the real damage. Or the surfer forums like pornbb and hundreds just like it.

No, it's a very big deal and doesn't come down to just filing a dmca.

And yes, I have used removeyourcontent.com since they opened up for business and I highly recommend it. No way that a single person can possibly get any work done if they had to chase their content everyday.

[mlove]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I think you meant ALEXA rankings. And yes there are TONS of them out there. Not to mention the filesharing sites like rapidshare and the hundreds of those that do the real damage. Or the surfer forums like pornbb and hundreds just like it.

No, it's a very big deal and doesn't come down to just filing a dmca.

And yes, I have used removeyourcontent.com since they opened up for business and I highly recommend it. No way that a single person can possibly get any work done if they had to chase their content everyday.

Ah yes, alexa.

All you really need to do is send a long email with a list of URLs to the IP Space owner of the website in question.

Funnily enough, every email I got from remoteyourcontent.com while I was operating photos.cx came from a single guy. Also, the ISP I work for has gotten tons and tons of emails from steve easton of APIC.

[The Porn Nerd]

There's a HUGE differance between giving away enough content to act as 'advertising' for your paysite and GIVING AWAY THE ENTIRE FUCKING WEBSITE FOR FREE.

No business could survive if they gave everything they sold away for free. So TGPs are WAY differant from tube sites. We're talking ILLEGAL tubes here, too, not the ones with partner programs.

But what's the point? People in this biz who "get it" get it, and those who don't post and start threads pointing fingers this way or that. Time for dinner.

[fatfoo]

It is possible to give away free samples, as long as people come back to buy the product.
Good business communication is the key. A dialogue helps.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by mlove

All you really need to do is send a long email with a list of URLs to the IP Space owner of the website in question.

Well heck, that sounds easy.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You are speaking in ignorance on that. There are THOUSANDS of sites with stolen content on them and thousands of scraper sites off of that.

It's not just "filing a dmca" and that's it for that movie...

HELL NO. It's writing email after email after email to thousands of sites.

I don't have time for that shit and neither does anybody else. Do you?

Of course not, if you're like me you have work to do. Spending your entire days just writing these fucking thieves over and over and over is not what most people got into this business to do.

robbie, don't be so lazy....

these sites are your friends, they are just trying to help you out by sharing how awesome your content is...

you should be sending them thank you letters not dmca requests...

there are some countries that cant even afford to join a porn site..

are you really that cold hearted that you would want to deprive them of their right to view the content that you spent your hard earned money and time to produce?

i think not...

thread closed....




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[Robbie]

Oh shit...gideongallery just hacked marketsmart's account on GFY!

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Oh shit...gideongallery just hacked marketsmart's account on GFY!

[mlove]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Well heck, that sounds easy.

Honestly is, you can get that information with two simple lines in the command line.

[96ukssob]

damn! you are probably the first person to bring this up before... especially with Alexa graphs I had no idea tube sites were this big. What are we going to do????

[Jaeger]

fuck tubes im not adapting to that shit kiss my ass id rather die.

god no other industy shoots itself in the foot like this its ridiculous... Give away the product? thats just not smart, sample of the product maybe but tubes give to much and this is half the reason why our ratios are sucking so bad.

Fuck tubes and all the idiots who think they are super cool.

[JBlack]

^ I shall edit that line:

No other industry is capable of shooting itself in the foot while it's in its mouth

[rogueteens]

strangly, people compain about illegal tube sites but post with glee when scripters pop up and mention their new tube script that scrapes the already stolen porn from the illegal tubes.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by BarryP

Paysite owners said TGP's were a joke in '97 -- same shit, different decade.

If I get a lobotomy can I be an administer too?


.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by bossku69

damn! you are probably the first person to bring this up before... especially with Alexa graphs I had no idea tube sites were this big. What are we going to do????

[andrej_NDC]

I promoted paysites with 4 x 2 minute clips in 2003-2004. On TGPs. It made triple the sales of regular galleries.

[seeandsee]

plus million other tubes that are fucking everyone biz, pass it on

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Coup

nobodies gonna do shit about it so who fucking cares

Sadly true. Most of this industry has done fuck all to combat Tubes. In fact how many sites have changed the way they do business since the advent of Tubes?

Tubes exist mostly because they don't pay for traffic.Content is very cheap and not the main factor.

Members are turning away from paysites because members areas often don't meet their needs, because so little is invested in the members area.

Add to that short term greed of affiliates and sponsors ripping off customers and you can see why the perfect storm was created by us.

What's the answer?

Invest more in the 1 in a 1,000 who buy.
Less in the 999 who don't.

Or watch the perfect storm become a hurricane. Because this slump is just the tip of the iceberg.

[RazorSharpe]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sadly true. Most of this industry has done fuck all to combat Tubes. In fact how many sites have changed the way they do business since the advent of Tubes?

Tubes exist mostly because they don't pay for traffic.Content is very cheap and not the main factor.

Members are turning away from paysites because members areas often don't meet their needs, because so little is invested in the members area.

Add to that short term greed of affiliates and sponsors ripping off customers and you can see why the perfect storm was created by us.

What's the answer?

Invest more in the 1 in a 1,000 who buy.
Less in the 999 who don't.

Or watch the perfect storm become a hurricane. Because this slump is just the tip of the iceberg.

Sometimes you amaze me! I mean this seriously and not in a good way!!!

So you are saying they need to invest more in what? Content? So more of their content can be stolen and shown on tubes? How does investing help in combating theft?

Nothing you said helps combat what is being discussed in any way what-so-ever!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Sometimes you amaze me! I mean this seriously and not in a good way!!!

So you are saying they need to invest more in what? Content? So more of their content can be stolen and shown on tubes? How does investing help in combating theft?

Nothing you said helps combat what is being discussed in any way what-so-ever!

Illustrate the the industry perfectly. Thinking members areas have to be filled with just videos and sets that can be stolen. Here's a suggestion to what else a members area can contain.

Live shows. Not a white label site of a webcam site. A real live show with the girls performing, solo, GG or BG. It has to be good sex, not the faking that most scenes now have. So no getting a girl to do 5 or more scenes in a day. They do or don't chat with members. They respond to what member want, within the girls limits.

Scenes need to be varied, don't just throw a girl on a bed or sofa and tell her to get on with it. That becomes boring. Members need to be anticipating on what the next girl will do. The approach is it's live, unscripted and happening now, under the part direction of members.

Small sites that can't afford to have their own exclusive shows can feed of a central site streaming it into their site. Even big sites could do this.

The cost of setting it up is affordable, if you have the space. Girls will do scenes priced according to where the sponsor bases the live show. What most webcam girls earn in a day would cover the cost of 3 scenes in 5-6 hours.

It's not an upsell to a webcam site to squeeze more money from a member, it's part of what he gets for his $30. Of course a tipping scheme could be built in or the option of the girl going for a private one to one. It could be at a lower price than conventional webcam sites. Because there are savings on the traffic costs. Again these are not ways to squeeze more from the customer. It's about giving extra value to customers.

By doing this it will weaken the profitability of Tubes. Very very few people ever bought porn on the Internet. The industry thrived on those few. By enticing back those who will spend money on porn, you weaken the "Free" competition. They need those buyers to keep profitable. Tubes exist on profit, part of which comes from webcam adverts. Offer something from inside the members areas to compete with those advertisers and you reduce the income of Tubes.

WHY THIS WON"T HAPPEN.

Most sponsors spend 50%-70% on traffic. Payouts, support, tools, promotion, etc.
And 10% or less on the members area.

Affiliates will continue to send traffic to who ever pays the most today and screw tomorrow. Sponsors will keep competing for traffic by spending more on traffic.

And that's why they won't compete with Tubes.

If anyone has a better idea then they're free to tell us. Those who don't can dismiss it out of hand. And watch ratios fall.

[HB|Sergio]

Evolution maybe soone will be something what will kill tubes

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by HB|Sergio

Evolution maybe soone will be something what will kill tubes

To win against Evolution you have to adapt. Do you see much of that with websites or do you see them doing the same old thing they did for years?

Just in HD now.

[DatingGameExpert]

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker

Adopt or die.

Fixed: STEAL OR DIE.

[DatingGameExpert]

Originally Posted by mlove

Just look at the amazon rankings for tube sites, find your content on each, and have a lawyer throw a complaint their way.

Amazon? You mean Alexa...:1 orglaugh

[DatingGameExpert]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Illustrate the the industry perfectly. Thinking members areas have to be filled with just videos and sets that can be stolen. Here's a suggestion to what else a members area can contain.

Live shows. Not a white label site of a webcam site. A real live show with the girls performing, solo, GG or BG. It has to be good sex, not the faking that most scenes now have. So no getting a girl to do 5 or more scenes in a day. They do or don't chat with members. They respond to what member want, within the girls limits.

Scenes need to be varied, don't just throw a girl on a bed or sofa and tell her to get on with it. That becomes boring. Members need to be anticipating on what the next girl will do. The approach is it's live, unscripted and happening now, under the part direction of members.

Small sites that can't afford to have their own exclusive shows can feed of a central site streaming it into their site. Even big sites could do this.

The cost of setting it up is affordable, if you have the space. Girls will do scenes priced according to where the sponsor bases the live show. What most webcam girls earn in a day would cover the cost of 3 scenes in 5-6 hours.

It's not an upsell to a webcam site to squeeze more money from a member, it's part of what he gets for his $30. Of course a tipping scheme could be built in or the option of the girl going for a private one to one. It could be at a lower price than conventional webcam sites. Because there are savings on the traffic costs. Again these are not ways to squeeze more from the customer. It's about giving extra value to customers.

By doing this it will weaken the profitability of Tubes. Very very few people ever bought porn on the Internet. The industry thrived on those few. By enticing back those who will spend money on porn, you weaken the "Free" competition. They need those buyers to keep profitable. Tubes exist on profit, part of which comes from webcam adverts. Offer something from inside the members areas to compete with those advertisers and you reduce the income of Tubes.

WHY THIS WON"T HAPPEN.

Most sponsors spend 50%-70% on traffic. Payouts, support, tools, promotion, etc.
And 10% or less on the members area.

Affiliates will continue to send traffic to who ever pays the most today and screw tomorrow. Sponsors will keep competing for traffic by spending more on traffic.

And that's why they won't compete with Tubes.

If anyone has a better idea then they're free to tell us. Those who don't can dismiss it out of hand. And watch ratios fall.

Sounds awfully nichey to me. So you are suggesting that this is the missing element? It's webcams 2.0, 90% of surfers won't give a flying fuck about this. They want to jerk off, not sit there typing shit with a bunch of other jerkers, telling girls what to do.

It's a cute idea and I'm sure some sites will do something like this but it's not going to save shit. It's over. People don't want to join sites anymore because the content is free now. Your industry let this happen, I don't understand really why but nothing will change unless there's a big lockdown...ya keep dreaming of that day.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

There's a HUGE differance between giving away enough content to act as 'advertising' for your paysite and GIVING AWAY THE ENTIRE FUCKING WEBSITE FOR FREE.

Although it's a bit different to entire videos on tubes everybody laughs at AlphaSky for trying to restrict stuff.

[martinsc]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

ADG

[Dirty Lord]

funnie

[cess]

Originally Posted by Coup

nobodies gonna do shit about it so who fucking cares

Yep, there's been a million (illegal) tube threads here and there will probably be many more. I believe Viacom lost vs google (youtube) which was the biggest case, so good luck to anyone trying a lawsuit now. Not that most people in the adult industry give a shit enough to try to stop it anyway.

[Davy]

The traffic graphs posted don't look like a joke to me!

[xholly]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Illustrate the the industry perfectly. Thinking members areas have to be filled with just videos and sets that can be stolen. Here's a suggestion to what else a members area can contain.

Live shows. Not a white label site of a webcam site. A real live show with the girls performing, solo, GG or BG. It has to be good sex, not the faking that most scenes now have. So no getting a girl to do 5 or more scenes in a day. They do or don't chat with members. They respond to what member want, within the girls limits.

Scenes need to be varied, don't just throw a girl on a bed or sofa and tell her to get on with it. That becomes boring. Members need to be anticipating on what the next girl will do. The approach is it's live, unscripted and happening now, under the part direction of members.

Small sites that can't afford to have their own exclusive shows can feed of a central site streaming it into their site. Even big sites could do this.

The cost of setting it up is affordable, if you have the space. Girls will do scenes priced according to where the sponsor bases the live show. What most webcam girls earn in a day would cover the cost of 3 scenes in 5-6 hours.

It's not an upsell to a webcam site to squeeze more money from a member, it's part of what he gets for his $30. Of course a tipping scheme could be built in or the option of the girl going for a private one to one. It could be at a lower price than conventional webcam sites. Because there are savings on the traffic costs. Again these are not ways to squeeze more from the customer. It's about giving extra value to customers.

By doing this it will weaken the profitability of Tubes. Very very few people ever bought porn on the Internet. The industry thrived on those few. By enticing back those who will spend money on porn, you weaken the "Free" competition. They need those buyers to keep profitable. Tubes exist on profit, part of which comes from webcam adverts. Offer something from inside the members areas to compete with those advertisers and you reduce the income of Tubes.

WHY THIS WON"T HAPPEN.

Most sponsors spend 50%-70% on traffic. Payouts, support, tools, promotion, etc.
And 10% or less on the members area.

Affiliates will continue to send traffic to who ever pays the most today and screw tomorrow. Sponsors will keep competing for traffic by spending more on traffic.

And that's why they won't compete with Tubes.

If anyone has a better idea then they're free to tell us. Those who don't can dismiss it out of hand. And watch ratios fall.

Im not really interested in watching a webcam show, i dont really give a fuck if its live or not. I want to see good looking girls who are eager for cock get fucked and then smile and show off some sperm on their tongue. In fact i like to see this so much i'd even pay for it but fortunately theres good people on the internet who have decided to give this to me for free so I don't have to.