Are conversions 10* worster, than in the 2009? - GoFuckYourself.com

jaromir · 08-30-2010, 12:07 PM

Hi,

my main sponsor had in 2009 conversions 1:1000, in 2005 - 2008 1:700.

Now in the 2010 it's 1:7000, 10* WORSTER than what is normal for me.

It's this some trend or what?

Sure conversions going down, this is normal trend, but NOT this radical way!!!

What is your average conversions in this year 2010 in comparison with year 2009, it's 1/10 of the 2009 nightmare or not?

Rebills still holding me up the water, but this killing my gallery biz. I will must move to TGP and paysite biz ASAP or hosting fees will kill me...

Emil · 08-30-2010, 12:08 PM

I cant compare because I'm not getting any signups

DanielS · 08-30-2010, 12:12 PM

1:1000 with freesites/gallery traffic and around 1:300 with targeted traffic.

Blog traffic is a bit better.

In the other hand, some sponsors are shaving big this year.

tranza · 08-30-2010, 12:13 PM

1:7000?? Ouch...

jaromir · 08-30-2010, 12:24 PM

And what you are doing with it? Pushing more hits to sponsors? This is the only way? Or you using more new sponsors?

jaromir · 08-30-2010, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielS

1:1000 with freesites/gallery traffic and around 1:300 with targeted traffic.

Blog traffic is a bit better.

In the other hand, some sponsors are shaving big this year.

So you have still 1:1k with gallery traffic, hmmm, I will must start my paysite ASAP, this 1:7000 killing me.

james_clickmemedia · 08-30-2010, 01:02 PM

nope, around 1:800 in 2010.

Miguel · 08-30-2010, 01:05 PM

ratios are falling
however some sites ae still converting good

Scott McD · 08-30-2010, 01:06 PM

Worster ??

DanielS · 08-30-2010, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaromir

So you have still 1:1k with gallery traffic, hmmm, I will must start my paysite ASAP, this 1:7000 killing me.

A paysite won't give you better convertions, unless it's very niched and you get very targeted traffic. But you can get more traffic through an affiliate program.

fuzebox · 08-30-2010, 01:08 PM

You still submit galleries?

How about free sites? AVS sites?

Nicky · 08-30-2010, 01:09 PM

I've seen a 30% decline in ratios overall in 2010 compared to 2009 accoring to my statsremote. I am sending more traffic though.

jaromir · 08-30-2010, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielS

A paysite won't give you better convertions, unless it's very niched and you get very targeted traffic. But you can get more traffic through an affiliate program.

Yes affiliaters via CCBill may push number of the my SUs.

And if I will do it only myself, I think, that anything will be better, than my current conversion 1 : 7k - 10k

jaromir · 08-30-2010, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

You still submit galleries?

How about free sites? AVS sites?

I don't like AVS concept and my todays traffic is not only from the galleries, I'm building a free sites too and using other sources as is SE..., so this is not completely some shitty traffic... It's normal gallery and LL traffic in 5 niches (gay, amateur, MILF, hardcore, celeb and bondage)...

jaromir · 08-30-2010, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky

I've seen a 30% decline in ratios overall in 2010 compared to 2009 accoring to my statsremote. I am sending more traffic though.

Yes yes, this is the way, simply grow up and push more traffic to "black holes"

.

TeenCat · 08-30-2010, 02:04 PM

of course try to push new sponsors with unique content, it is selling the best for me

nazdravi!

TeenSluts · 08-30-2010, 02:51 PM

worcestershire sauce

Caligari · 08-30-2010, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Are conversions 10* worster, than in the 2009?

nope, actually they are betterer.

HookUPcom · 08-30-2010, 03:28 PM

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SpicyM · 08-30-2010, 04:19 PM

Are you still able to generate any big traffic from gallery submissions? The sites lost 60-70% of their traffic and they continue loosing more and more visitors every month.

Fabien · 08-30-2010, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaromir

Hi,

my main sponsor had in 2009 conversions 1:1000, in 2005 - 2008 1:700.

Now in the 2010 it's 1:7000, 10* WORSTER than what is normal for me.

It's this some trend or what?

Sure conversions going down, this is normal trend, but NOT this radical way!!!

What is your average conversions in this year 2010 in comparison with year 2009, it's 1/10 of the 2009 nightmare or not?

Rebills still holding me up the water, but this killing my gallery biz. I will must move to TGP and paysite biz ASAP or hosting fees will kill me...

I told everyone about this a year ago but no one seemed to care.
I was telling everyone that the tube shit combined with torrents and the money crisis that we would really really suffer from this.
Lots and lots of "adapt or die" bullshit was flying around.

How you doin' right now bitches ?

We are teaching the surfer to NOT PAY FOR PORN anymore.
It's TOO LATE period. The damage is done.

It's not against you by the way, i'm just pissed as you

chronig · 08-30-2010, 05:59 PM

I'd say about 10x "worster" .... I used to be a lazy fuck in 2007-2008 and worked on my tube site maybe 4-5 hours/day initially and then 1-2 hours/week after initial startup was done... then in early 2010 I started another tube site and put in 10x work (multiple full time employees) only to see about the same sales as in 2007-08 with just 1-2hours/week

closer · 08-30-2010, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien

We are teaching the surfer to NOT PAY FOR PORN anymore.
It's TOO LATE period. The damage is done.

I'm not dismissing this completely, but l see lots of people fishing in the same (traffic) pond promoting the same sponsors trying to catch the same fish (customer).

tonyparra · 08-30-2010, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia

nope, around 1:800 in 2010.

you forgot black people dont buy porn

jaromir · 08-30-2010, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by closer

I'm not dismissing this completely, but l see lots of people fishing in the same (traffic) pond promoting the same sponsors trying to catch the same fish (customer).

Yes yes, this is the truth, because this I hope, that when I will start my own paysite, that peoples at least 1000* don't see it, or don't see advertise on it...

Raf1 · 08-30-2010, 10:34 PM

the shaving is getting brutal this year...

fatfoo · 08-30-2010, 10:35 PM

I got many sales in 2010 from things such as sig sales and selling web site texts and web site designs. If anyone needs these products, message me on icq:396815963.

jaromir · 08-30-2010, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien

I told everyone about this a year ago but no one seemed to care.
I was telling everyone that the tube shit combined with torrents and the money crisis that we would really really suffer from this.
Lots and lots of "adapt or die" bullshit was flying around.

How you doin' right now bitches ?

We are teaching the surfer to NOT PAY FOR PORN anymore.
It's TOO LATE period. The damage is done.

It's not against you by the way, i'm just pissed as you

Yes this is right, but we already pushed the free porn out with galleries, free-sites and other things, and everyone screaming, that gallery biz destroying whole market, so now tube finished it...

I still think, that is place here for paysite, I don't need 100 SU per day, I need one to cover my bills and give me some ?s to live good, and this is still possible...

Fenris Wolf · 08-30-2010, 11:58 PM

My problem is that I don't have that much traffic to push so when a program starts to lag in sales/ratio after my initial campaign I have to start looking for other options.

klinton · 08-31-2010, 12:14 AM

it seems that i will give up gallery submitting because it's no longer profitable..70 % of my money from paysites sales are from recurring.....

Argos88 · 08-31-2010, 12:19 AM

im doing better than ever with mainstream...

adult bad sales?? well dude... this is not new.. if you didnt diversify 2 years ago, u will be pretty dead soon...

ciao.

The Ghost · 08-31-2010, 02:05 AM

There's no catch-all answer for this. Depends on the sponsor. Is the content updated, are they making new stuff? How are you presenting it to surfers.

Those and a 100 other things can make a HUGE difference

bbobby86 · 08-31-2010, 03:13 AM

i really don`t know...

Chosen · 08-31-2010, 04:19 AM

No they're not

ilbb · 08-31-2010, 05:17 AM

Jardo, don't start your own paysite if you have hard times to convert as affiliate. You will lose money! My 2 cents.

Try discovering other traffic sources, etc.

jaromir · 08-31-2010, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilbb

Jardo, don't start your own paysite if you have hard times to convert as affiliate. You will lose money! My 2 cents.

Try discovering other traffic sources, etc.

I'm running my own server and bought the content (tens GBs of movies and pictures, I may fill new content for whole year...) and domain, so I will have zero expenses to start...

Don't worry, I will at least try it

.

And I diversified to the other sources of the income too, I'm selling the hardlinks, I'm rock/metal concert photograper, stock investor and now entering a forex speculations too, so if my paysite will die, nothing will happen, but what the hell

, why not try it at least. I'm interesting how paysite working

and I wanna make MONEY, so I wanna start one at the CCBill

LOL. I'm pretty sure, that I will develope some new bastard, which make me decent money as all other parts and other sources of my very wide biz.

And I'm pretty sure, that my fucking new small paysite will convert better than 1:7000 on the second page LOL... So what I may lose

nothing.

Go paysite go!

jaromir · 08-31-2010, 09:48 AM

Do you have some advice for me, how to run prosper paysite

, I'm in the biz from the 1999, so I know how it must look good...

But some good advice in the short sentence will be welcomed

.

BTW i have some traffic source, to feed this my new small biz in the beginning, this is no problem. I already have server, content, I will create join, front and inner pages myself. So maybe I must locate only some anticheat program and teach something how to integrate .htaccess integration with CCBill (it will be probably easy). Right now I'm watermarking my content with logo

. Jesus what bad conversions not forcing man to do...

BVF · 08-31-2010, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaromir

I'm running my own server and bought the content (tens GBs of movies and pictures, I may fill new content for whole year...) and domain, so I will have zero expenses to start...

Don't worry, I will at least try it

.

And I diversified to the other sources of the income too, I'm selling the hardlinks, I'm rock/metal concert photograper, stock investor and now entering a forex speculations too, so if my paysite will die, nothing will happen, but what the hell

, why not try it at least. I'm interesting how paysite working

and I wanna make MONEY, so I wanna start one at the CCBill

LOL. I'm pretty sure, that I will develope some new bastard, which make me decent money as all other parts and other sources of my very wide biz.

And I'm pretty sure, that my fucking new small paysite will convert better than 1:7000 on the second page LOL... So what I may lose

nothing.

Go paysite go!

Dude, I'm being honest....You don't have the English skills to run a successful paysite that can convince a surfer to signup.

sweetcuties · 08-31-2010, 10:01 AM

What's up BVF, been awhile... Remember that facial site from a few years ago, about to reopen with new shit

Agent 488 · 08-31-2010, 10:03 AM

not much worster.

Stephen · 08-31-2010, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaromir

I still think, that is place here for paysite, I don't need 100 SU per day, I need one to cover my bills and give me some ?s to live good, and this is still possible...

Yes it is -- you can make a living, just don't expect 100 SU /day

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

Dude, I'm being honest....You don't have the English skills to run a successful paysite that can convince a surfer to signup.

This is true too. Build your site and then have it "Americanized"

Even little things like having the dollar sign after the price (19.95$) will kill sales, IMHO

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AmeliaG · 08-31-2010, 10:53 AM

Conversions are definitely down across the board, but definitely some sponsors are better than others. No reason not to add a pay site to your portfolio. Maybe try some new sponsors. I know I have some sites I can still convert, including SpookyCash ones of course.

But there are definitely some where I used to make a join for every few hundred uniques and now I can't convert. I think some sites stopped updating, so new members are not going to sign up. Harder to make new content in the current economy because talent wants to get paid more, at the same time programs have less.

People keep talking about shaving, but aren't most programs these days NATS or CCBill or Epoch or maybe Verotel or Zombaio? If so, how are they shaving? I just don't think shaving is really happening in 2010. Slow pay and no pay is definitely happening, but I don't think shaving really is.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-31-2010, 10:56 AM

I just checked from Jan of this year to this month I have tripled my adult income.

Yanks_Todd · 08-31-2010, 10:57 AM

ours are better then in '09. Simply fact the internet is still growing, you just need to refocus and rethink how you approach it.

jaromir · 08-31-2010, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

ours are better then in '09. Simply fact the internet is still growing, you just need to refocus and rethink how you approach it.

yes, this is true

jaromir · 08-31-2010, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

Dude, I'm being honest....You don't have the English skills to run a successful paysite that can convince a surfer to signup.

I'm selling porn, not the books man

ROFL !

jaromir · 08-31-2010, 12:56 PM

BTW, in the base school I had everytime the F from the my main language, and now I'm writing articles for the newspapers, so fuck you guy, I'm going to sell porn and we will see

LOL.

I will be satisfied with 10 SU per month for the beginning, so this is easy to do...

jaromir · 08-31-2010, 01:05 PM

Thank you all for the your opinions.

I just realized, that the more you write me to not make paysite, the more I wanna make it

, so big thanks for the motivation...

BTW who wanna take a heart attack from the my language skills visit my blog www.Adamek.biz YOU WILL GET IT

LOL.

Good night guys and ladies

.

2intense · 08-31-2010, 01:10 PM

1:700-1000 with my cam sponsor 100$ PPS ,much better than with 30-35$ PPS

08-30-2010, 12:07 PM	#1
jaromir Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: EU - Czech Republic Posts: 556	*Are conversions 10 worster, than in the 2009?** Hi, my main sponsor had in 2009 conversions 1:1000, in 2005 - 2008 1:700. Now in the 2010 it's 1:7000, 10* WORSTER than what is normal for me. It's this some trend or what? Sure conversions going down, this is normal trend, but NOT this radical way!!! What is your average conversions in this year 2010 in comparison with year 2009, it's 1/10 of the 2009 nightmare or not? Rebills still holding me up the water, but this killing my gallery biz. I will must move to TGP and paysite biz ASAP or hosting fees will kill me... __________________ www.Adamek.biz/buy-hardlinks/ - Buy PR1-4 adult hardlinks. www.HyperCounter.com - Free Adult Counter www.Adamek.biz - Jaromir Adamek blog, ICQ: 328-324-69, Email: "Jaromir" a__t "Adamek" d__o__t "biz" Last edited by jaromir; 08-30-2010 at 12:09 PM..

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DanielS Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 569	1:1000 with freesites/gallery traffic and around 1:300 with targeted traffic. Blog traffic is a bit better. In the other hand, some sponsors are shaving big this year.

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08-30-2010, 05:59 PM	#22
chronig Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,653	I'd say about 10x "worster" .... I used to be a lazy fuck in 2007-2008 and worked on my tube site maybe 4-5 hours/day initially and then 1-2 hours/week after initial startup was done... then in early 2010 I started another tube site and put in 10x work (multiple full time employees) only to see about the same sales as in 2007-08 with just 1-2hours/week

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jaromir Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: EU - Czech Republic Posts: 556	Do you have some advice for me, how to run prosper paysite , I'm in the biz from the 1999, so I know how it must look good... But some good advice in the short sentence will be welcomed . BTW i have some traffic source, to feed this my new small biz in the beginning, this is no problem. I already have server, content, I will create join, front and inner pages myself. So maybe I must locate only some anticheat program and teach something how to integrate .htaccess integration with CCBill (it will be probably easy). Right now I'm watermarking my content with logo . Jesus what bad conversions not forcing man to do... __________________ www.Adamek.biz/buy-hardlinks/ - Buy PR1-4 adult hardlinks. www.HyperCounter.com - Free Adult Counter www.Adamek.biz - Jaromir Adamek blog, ICQ: 328-324-69, Email: "Jaromir" a__t "Adamek" d__o__t "biz"

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08-31-2010, 01:05 PM	#49
jaromir Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: EU - Czech Republic Posts: 556	Thank you all for the your opinions. I just realized, that the more you write me to not make paysite, the more I wanna make it , so big thanks for the motivation... BTW who wanna take a heart attack from the my language skills visit my blog www.Adamek.biz YOU WILL GET IT LOL. Good night guys and ladies . __________________ www.Adamek.biz/buy-hardlinks/ - Buy PR1-4 adult hardlinks. www.HyperCounter.com - Free Adult Counter www.Adamek.biz - Jaromir Adamek blog, ICQ: 328-324-69, Email: "Jaromir" a__t "Adamek" d__o__t "biz" Last edited by jaromir; 08-31-2010 at 01:07 PM..

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