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09-05-2010, 02:34 PM | #151 |
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To make it very clear where I stand: as an affiliate who follows the rules (maybe I'm stupid for doing this), I would love nothing more for sponsors to clean up the abuse within & have the big fights.
But going after little people, I've no interest in that, because it won't help my conversions, it seems unfair when the big guys stay safe, and it'll just result in horror stories about the industry.
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really??? you can't mean such an idiot thing right? (or do you really buy the nonsense RIAA is peddling)
you're claiming that people who download music, movies, porn, ... without paying never pay for content? I seem to remember Harvard research claiming that big music downloaders for instance also buy more music than most people. Also reality prooves you wrong: most people have a mix of things they paid for and things they didn't pay for.
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make it impossible for people to get your stuff for free, cut the supply, that'll help your sales much more than randomly suing downloaders
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Look, I've been working this thing since piracy first REALLY took off a couple of years ago. At first I didn't understand what was happening. Hell, I thought it was the tubes and torrent sites themselves stealing. And then I started googling....and started finding all these links to different surfer forums. And my whole world changed. I then realized what was really happening. And I took steps to protect my stuff. But boy, that first 40 or 50 scenes we had that were on .wmv in our website in the beginning? It's all that removeyourcontent can do to TRY and keep that down to a minimum. I've been successful in keeping Claudia-Marie from being destroyed by piracy. But other paysites that either don't know what to do or thought in the beginning that they could "work" the tubes and torrents and file share sites? I can't make a sale on them to save my soul. So yeah, I would actually LOVE it if Fox News reported that people stealing content were getting nailed. The more that everybody out there knows what can happen to them for stealing, the sooner the stealing will stop. And again...no 16 year old boys are going to steal mommies credit card to join a site to steal content. They don't need to. They can just watch it on pornhub for free. Nope, the people we are going after are the ones uploading it. They are the culprits, plain and simple. Watching it on a tube isn't a crime. Now if you download physically from a torrent? Now you fucked up. People have been "trained" to think all porn is free for the last two years. Well now they are going to be trained that IF you steal porn, it's your ass. And you should be applauding that. EDIT: And to address the subject of financially "ruining" some poor soccer mom...No, it doesn't work that way. As I said earlier, we keep the settlement price down to just below what it would cost to get a lawyer and fight it. It's not a situation that will destroy somebody financially. But it will hurt their wallet enough to make a difference and deter them next time. |
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Innocent until proven guilty? Fuck that shit, let's just extort some money from some people someone allegedly downloaded a file that may or may not be copyrighted. After all, this isn't about proof, it's about scaring some potential customers into giving you hush money. More at http://www.adultmarketing.co.uk/2010...wer-to-piracy/ |
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Refresh my memory please. Why is Pink Visual suing you guys? I'm sure it's probably all just a big misunderstanding and they don't understand the law (the big dummies), but I'd like to hear the reason regardless. |
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isn't the "open wifi" defense enough of a reasonable doubt defense that any conviction would be unlikely? are you legally responsible by precedent for anything that happens on your ip even if others gain access it, are you legally required by law to strongly encrypt access to your router?
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This stuff is very easy to correlate. Unless the guy that lives next door to you has stolen your identity, your credit cards, and your home address as well as hacking your wifi, then it's open and shut. You forget...I can see all the info of every member. So I know their join ip, and I see them logging in everytime and see the ip they log in from. So I know that person HAS to match. They can't just join a site on a hacked wifi and get away with it because we have all their personal info on file already. So we aren't just looking for an IP address...we're looking for the actual person who joined and downloaded it and then re-uploaded it. And since we also use geo-ip password protection....nobody can log in from someplace different with that user/pass and do the deed either. Not going after any "maybe" cases. We go after the ones that are positively identified in every way. It's slam/dunk. And again...those surfer forums that hurt us for so long? They are now my friend. Those morons IDENTIFY THEMSELVES as the ones who uploaded it and ask for the other members of the forum to reply with "Thanks" everytime one of them downloads it. Low hanging fruit. And POSITIVE identification via self-incrimination. |
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Oh yea, proof.... Ever hear of the term receiving stolen property? That means that if someone steals a car stereo (or anything else) and you buy it, borrow it, or steal it from them, and then you get caught with it, guess what happens? Yea... you get charged with receiving stolen property. Crazy huh? So if you use that idea, everyone is guilty of stealing it (if they are downloading it for free) even if they were not the ones who actually stole it from the site. Now, I have nooooo idea if that holds true for intellectual property or not (I would hope it does), I'm just saying... they are all guilty. |
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And I don't think you are in favor of it...but you always are negative when people actually DO SOMETHING about it. |
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I could see someone falsely accused (or even claiming to be falsely accused), based solely on ip, countersuing for huge amounts of money |
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Our old vids were not protected. They are NOW. But the first year they weren't. So those are constantly poppingup. And also I give my members a down loadable version of the vids that has a small bit rate and resolution. It's just good enough for them to be able to have it on their computer, but not real quality enough to re-upload...but lately they have anyway out of desperation because they can't get the high res version.
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In these cases, there is no PROOF. There is a FILE NAME. And an IP address. No actual proof the person you are suing downloaded the file. No proof the file is your content. Just a file name and an IP. Which is why the movie industry and the music industry stopped suing downloaders. However, the porn industry has a whole new angle. The embarrassment. Genius. If they are going to the bloke's house, seizing his PC, finding the file and proving he stole it, fair enough. But they aren't. Are they? In most decent societies, someone has to prove someone stole something. Here, I just see blackmail with no proof. |
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I feel that sponsors do have a responsability to police their content, something you're clearly doing, but if you see that some big sponsors can't even sent DMCA claims to rapidshare for files on some of the biggest forums, then they shouldn't bitch too much. Instead of spending money on expensive firms who charge per DMCA claim they do, some of the big sponsors should set up a joint venture, type of union thing that sponsors can join, that fights piracy 24/7, it would be much cheaper. I said this to some sponsors over the last years, they all liked the idea, but nobody has done it. Quote:
Look from all what you're saying, I'll probably support what you're doing, I'm afraid for the excesses that some people might do.
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damien isn't even reading what is posted here.
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And yeah, downloaders COULD claim they are falsely accused. But guess what? It will actually cost THEM more money to do that. And it will put them in the public eye as a porn downloader. And me? Won't cost me a thin dime. The attorneys are working for a percentage. The game is now evened up finally. |
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An IP address isn't proof Robbie. It's an IP address. Could be a grandchild, could be a neighbour, could be IP spoofing.
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I suggest you search really well, cos you are accusing me of something that is damaging to my business. It would be awful to see you banned for claiming something you have no proof of, wouldn't it? So, where is your proof? |
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isn't that exactly what I wrote?
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Can it be done? Yeah, I'm sure. But not by you. And when it is done, guess what? I'll just plug that hole too. This ain't that hard to do. And if you READ what I told you to read...I said that I can prove they stole the content because I can match everything to the members info. Re-read it again genius, and this time THINK about what I wrote for a second. You really have lost any measure of respect that I ever could have had for you. You strike me as someone who genuinely wants me to fail and lose my livelihood to piracy. And I don't take "kindly' to that. |
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i am pretty sure that uploading your own content to a torrent and then trying to get money would be against the law as well... what robbie is doing is no different than having lojack on your car and then getting the guy that stole it to pay for any damages... it sounds like steve is trying the riaa method and it will be interesting to see if he has any success... btw.. all site owners should be doing what robbie is doing... robbie, are you having any success getting surfer information from foreign torrent sites? . |
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Remember when you were in the members area? You probably didn't even notice this because it's very unobtrusive. But while you watch the high res stream....YOUR username and ip address are showing up in random places at random times on the screen. And when I see that on a download site? It's easy pickings to come after that person.
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when I was young I jacked off to dirty debutantes 3 until I wore the vhs tape out then only I bought another.If it didnt wear out I would kept jacking to it. porn isnt music.
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with bittorrent, everyone is a downloader and uploader, even the 16 year old kid in the parent's basement, and the guy parked in his car with his laptop half a block down the street using your wifi, etc. with bittorent you can't download without uploading, it is not an option, even if the person had zero intent to upload and all it takes is accusing the wrong guy that will use that as an opportunity to countersue, and if you are faced with a countersuit, I don't think those attorneys are working for free for you anymore |
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removeyourcontent is working on that...so I have no idea where that kind of thing stands legally. My best guess would be "no". But again, I can't speak with any knowledge on that angle.
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I don't see why there is ANY opposition here about owners of intellectual property trying to protect what they rightfully own. It's not YOURS, it belongs to someone else. Let them do with it as they wish and protect it in any way they can think of. Why all the hate?
What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Honestly. I can only assume that those who have even a shred of negative emotion towards content protection of any kind, owns nothing or at the very least does not own their own content. You would have to be a total retard to be a content owner and neg out on other content owners who are trying to protect their investment. |
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isn't that exactly what some of these anti-piracy firms are doing?
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and just because I made these points, I should point out I am not in favor of piracy at all
I just think that legally there is big problems in using this approach, and if you accuse one innocent person and publicly blackmail them, it would be justice of them to sue you for every penny you ever had |
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Yep. That's exactly how it starts. And then just like I'm doing they match up other factors and get it beyond a shadow of a doubt
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look some of my friends have memberships to porn sites, although they'll also be downloading other porn for free
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But please, don't think that you are pirate-proof. I certainly didn't notice my username or IP when I was in your members' area. But I know it would take me 5 seconds in FCP to obfuscate that to enable me to upload it to any filesharing site I wanted. Something you would have no ability whatsoever to stop. Why does Cory Doctorow say obscurity is more worrying than piracy? It's impossible to monetize obscurity... You seem to think I am on the GideonsGallery side of the fence.I'm not. I rely on people having successful paysites in order to make my living. Piracy would cripple my income way before it crippled a site owners. I would be fucked. I am not in favour of piracy. I am just against wasting time, money and brainspace on something unstoppable. I do hope the difference is clear. I just do not believe blackmailing potential customers is A Clever Move. You coming to Amsterdam? I'd love to have a beer and explain how one can be against piracy but also against fighting piracy face to face. |
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yes, I agree, but how severe does a crime need to be before we accept search warrants and armed invasions of people's residences to seize physical evidence? for CP distribution it makes sense to most people, but for example if you download a photo of Carmen Electra that was scanned from the cover of this month's Maxim magazine, I don't think 99.999% of the people think that your house should be stormed by copyright enforcement police (even though Maxim magazine owns that content)
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Can I assume you are not a content producer or own the sole rights to content? I don't think I would feel strongly about this issue if I was not a producer, but I am, so I am in favor of ANY method people have to use to cut down on piracy. I wish everyone was a vigilant as Robbie. It would put an end to this shit with a quickness. |
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It happened to be hardcore gay porn they made the most money with. Because people were too embarrassed and paid to avoid exposure, albeit fraudulent exposure. Google will give you more on this. |
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And no, I'm not going to Amsterdam this year. I'm really thinking about not going to anymore webmaster shows. It's been so dead the last year (because piracy is killing this business) . I'm actually thinking that I'm going to start taking Claudia-Marie and working the fan shows. Set up a booth and a special half price join page just for each show to sign up new members on the spot. We have actually just had a record week on Claudia-Marie.Com The biggest week ever. And it's all due to the combination of viral marketing I'm doing and the expanded schedule of webcamming that CM is doing on Streamate (we have it set up on Streamate for a one click join to Claudia-Marie.Com right on Streamate). I'm thinking that more of this LIVE fan interaction and viral marketing is the future. We just had 3 days in a row (including today) that have broke all of our sales records...and it's all type ins baby! Anyway, I don't want to fight with you. You just have to understand that guys like me are very sensitive to the piracy issue. It's a direct hit to our very existence. So if I come at you kinda strong about it...please don't take it personally. |
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