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stocktrader23 · 09-16-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sergio Payingsolutions

Nothing like a 'great' look at me thread that serves no purpose than the OP wanting attention.

I still don't quite understand what it is you want, are you hoping Steve shows you the way of how to make money? Are you an affiliate waiting to send to his websites? What the fuck?

I have to say the only thing keeping me from branching out to other areas of porn is getting a headache trying to figure out how to make something that can compete with tubes. What Steve is doing should only be lauded, what harm is he doing? I'm sure the good will he's gaining from fellow webmasters is only part of the many positives.

Yes, I am just a sexy noob.

I hope Steve gives me the secret as well as a date with Jordan.

Gerco · 09-16-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Gerco, video will be gone tomorrow. Note the added date of 1 year ago, I did not own this back then..

As I have said in the past, and say over and over again, we are working on various changes. If you can not accept that those do not happen overnight, I can not help you.

I thank you for the removal of the video, and yes, I do understand that it was put up before your takeover. The changes you are talking of are why I'm asking the questions I am. I'm trying to understand why it NEEDS to be so difficult. And on that note, I would think that making the system easier for content owners to start tracking down repeat offenders would be a good thing.

Blizzard entertainment recently stated they would start using peoples REAL names for chat in an effort to start combating some of the crap that goes on online with them, why is asking for information about the detail of a specific offender any different? Again, that offender is still protected by his/her IP and that still would require a subpoena to option any further information but at least it gives a starting point. I'm just saying... If you have a guy uploading a bunch of stuff, and you KNOW it's not his, via DMCA's etc, from say multiple parties where is it actually written that you could not provide his information?

I spend a good part of the day searching the web for any law that would prevent this... and so far have found none. So again, if one is there that you know of please share it.

Gerco · 09-16-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Nonsexual and silly candid shots of webcam models. Any questions?

Lots.

But neither the time nor the energy to worry about it. There are actual important questions relating to the industry that are far more important.

Welcome to the very first "green" I have ever put on the ignore list.

Kingfish · 09-16-2010, 09:17 PM

An interesting thought I had ok you can?t sue the Tubes because they are basically treated as an ISP. However, say one of these guys that are getting sued for uploading videos to the torrents got the video from the tube via a download from the Tube or for sake of argument took a screen recoding of it directly from the tube. The guy that gets sued goes to his attorney and says how can this pay site sue me I got that video from a tube site and they had share buttons all over the site so I thought they owned it and they were giving it away. His attorney says well maybe we should implead the tube into this. So the attorney basically files a claim against the tube in the case being brought against his client on the basis of yes my client may have did what he was accused of, but it was only because the Tube gave him the impression that they owned the rights to said video and encouraged him to share it with others. Now wouldn?t that be a hoot?

epitome · 09-16-2010, 09:18 PM

If you look on the "illegal" tube sites that have gay videos that is owned by Manwin or anyone else, you'll notice that companies like Corbin Fisher do not have videos that have been upload there.

Why?

Corbin Fisher will sue the tube and will either settle or take it to court and likely win. They have done it numerous times.

It's funny how owners of tube sites (*cough Fabian*) say that they do not monitor for copyright infringement but you do not find any videos of the sue happy companies on their sites.

Granted, the tubes usually comply with DMCA requests but it seems like the tubes do not repeatedly infringe on those studios like they do others.

V_RocKs · 09-17-2010, 12:35 AM

Look, Fabian, I realize that my comments on the win-win where somewhat generalized. I know that your company has hard working people, namely you. I realize that user submitted content that is legal is useful and adds to the site big time. I am only talking about using loopholes in laws instead of being ethical. If you cannot understand that concept then something has changed in you because we have had previous conversations about ethic treatment of surfers and you surely understood ethics back then. Or maybe I am missing the context in which you are referring to DMCA?

Nathan · 09-17-2010, 01:21 AM

epitome, learn DMCA. Specifically "Red Flag Knowledge" and "repeat infringer policy".

V_Rocks, I have to be honest, I had the same exact opinion as many of the people here about tubes before I bought Mansef and REALLY EDUCATED myself. We have an 80 page presentation done by a major law firm in the US for both sides of the fence of DMCA. After talking to them for 2 days, I now understand DMCA and the reason it exists and I understand why Tubes, in my opinion, are not using "loopholes"...

I am not going to explain everything to the t here, since it will just piss people off more, but this is a firm believe I have.

I would have no problem actually sitting down at a show with whoever wants to and discuss this in person, I stand by what I believe in. And I stand by this industry, even if some people here do not agree or think I am helping destroy it.

In my opinion, I am far from distroying it, I am simply building an insane network of traffic. More Unique Eyeballs are viewing porn today than EVER BEFORE in history! This is a win for us, everyone just needs to figure out how to best sell their products to them. We are, and we are successfully doing so too. As you have most likely seen, Brazzers ads are all over big-traffic-sites. The sites CONVERT if you give the surfer something they can not get on the tubes. Which is QUALITY FULL CONTENT that is UPDATED OFTEN.

We keep the quality of videos on the tubes low on purpose. Look at the damn things on our tubes, its horrible and grainy, I hate watching tube videos...

SteveLightspeed · 09-17-2010, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

The sites CONVERT if you give the surfer something they can not get on the tubes.

NO SHIT. Owning the biggest tubes must be a great advantage for YOU.

Simple question, since you know all about it. How did pornhub get so many videos uploaded so quickly when it was new? I'm sure the users just couldn't WAIT to upload to an empty site with no traffic, right?

Nathan, do you think SW will protect what they did for pornhub when they get cornered? It's SUCH a small world.

Steve Lightspeed

mlove · 09-17-2010, 01:52 AM

security enhancements are just going to hurt your sales more because users will be irritated with the lack of usability. Learn computers steve.

GonZo · 09-17-2010, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

epitome, learn DMCA. Specifically "Red Flag Knowledge" and "repeat infringer policy".

V_Rocks, I have to be honest, I had the same exact opinion as many of the people here about tubes before I bought Mansef and REALLY EDUCATED myself. We have an 80 page presentation done by a major law firm in the US for both sides of the fence of DMCA. After talking to them for 2 days, I now understand DMCA and the reason it exists and I understand why Tubes, in my opinion, are not using "loopholes"...

I am not going to explain everything to the t here, since it will just piss people off more, but this is a firm believe I have.

I would have no problem actually sitting down at a show with whoever wants to and discuss this in person, I stand by what I believe in. And I stand by this industry, even if some people here do not agree or think I am helping destroy it.

In my opinion, I am far from distroying it, I am simply building an insane network of traffic. More Unique Eyeballs are viewing porn today than EVER BEFORE in history! This is a win for us, everyone just needs to figure out how to best sell their products to them. We are, and we are successfully doing so too. As you have most likely seen, Brazzers ads are all over big-traffic-sites. The sites CONVERT if you give the surfer something they can not get on the tubes. Which is QUALITY FULL CONTENT that is UPDATED OFTEN.

We keep the quality of videos on the tubes low on purpose. Look at the damn things on our tubes, its horrible and grainy, I hate watching tube videos...

Grainy they may be but they are in most cases full scenes while the brazzers videos rarely exceed a few minutes.

So your right FULL content they cant get on tubes...it pretty brilliant actually.
Dilute the value of competitors while protecting the value of your own.

Paul Markham · 09-17-2010, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

Note the User who uploaded it... "anonymous" http://www.pornhub.com/users/anonymous A user who has uploaded 40,147 (public) videos, 11,765 (private) videos... Who would this "user" be?

It seems this information has been deleted. Imagine the library of content, connection speed and the amount of work it takes to upload this amount of content. Not some surfer passing time.

Nathan if you seriously want to stop piracy think for a second. Who has this amount of content to upload to a tube site. Plus the other things.

Nathan · 09-17-2010, 03:24 AM

Steve, what the old owners did is their problem not mine. I just want to fix possible mistakes, if any were made. They did buy a ton of licenses before phub was launched though.

Gerco, simply not true look at recent uploads... You think all those studios do this since it gets them nothing?

Paul, it needs 17 million surfers each day and roughly 100gbit/s.

Do the math.

Paul Markham · 09-17-2010, 03:39 AM

Just tried to test pornhub and see how easy it is to upload content there as someone who does no own the content.

Registered with an email that hasn't my name in it, confirmed the registration, went back to the site and get a blank page.

Now pornhub only shows a blank page. Is this them trying to cut out uploaded content from people?

So is the "anonymous" uploader one person of lots of people? None I would bet have the license to upload. A good way to get rid of pirated content is to approve all uploaders. Won't break the DMCA law.

Paul Markham · 09-17-2010, 03:49 AM

Ways to hurt Tube sites.

Educate surfers that the dating sites adverting on them are cons. Links to stories of these dating sites being sued and telling them how to contact lawyers suing these sites.

Explain how Geo Targeting enables a site to tell them about the "Girl in their Town" who is looking for them. Explain that they are conning surfers out of their money.

Stop sending traffic to any site connected to a Tube site. Advertiser or owner.

Sue uploaders and build a fund to go after the big Tubes to reveal who their uploaders are and sue them.

They will not go away by wishing them away. You might be earning a bit from Dating sites today, long term it will bounce back on you. In fact it already is.

Nathan · 09-17-2010, 04:01 AM

This is like talking against a wall, lol...

Paul, will you be in amsterdam? Would love to chat in person..

The main things you guys just do not want to understand I think is:
1) Tubes are never going to go away again
2) If you kill a big tube, the traffic will just go to other smaller ones instead of going to your sites for some funky reason
3) You should be hoping that I buy more tube sites, since I, in contrast to everyone else, at least am willing to openly discuss this subject with you all...

Until you here in this thread that can not stop complaining, realize that you are a MINORITY feeling this way, you will never get out of your self dug hole-in-the-ground.

Wake up already...

ottopottomouse · 09-17-2010, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

They already are and are already making money. This is low hanging fruit. Especially when you go to pornbb and other surfer forums where the guy who did the upload is BRAGGING about it and then thousands of little surfer/thieves are in that same thread identifying themselves and saying "thanks" as they download it

Easy win.

Markham was talking about the RIAA burning money which they can only have done by paying for everything rather than on a no-win no-fee basis.

With all the thanks thanks thanks ego boosting seeming to be a large part of the sharing side of things I would have thought concentrating on nuking prolific uploaders files would have been a better way to go in stopping the sharing rather than chasing IP address lists later. If every time someone posts a new upload it becomes undownloadable in hours then their reputation will sink. Demoralise the uploader and they will find something else to spend their time on.

DWB · 09-17-2010, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

The sites CONVERT if you give the surfer something they can not get on the tubes.

All things considered, I can't believe you of all people said that.

You're a total douche bag, no doubt about it, but I admire the size of your balls. They are big.

Nathan · 09-17-2010, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

All things considered, I can't believe you of all people said that.

You're a total douche bag, no doubt about it, but I admire the size of your balls. They are big.

DWB, seriously, can you try posting something that is even less based on facts please? LOL

This is the typical, typical adult industry mentality...

Believe noone, build your own little reality, and stick to it for all its worth, even if you die doing so...

Sad.

Gerco · 09-17-2010, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Steve, what the old owners did is their problem not mine. I just want to fix possible mistakes, if any were made. They did buy a ton of licenses before phub was launched though.

Gerco, simply not true look at recent uploads... You think all those studios do this since it gets them nothing?

Paul, it needs 17 million surfers each day and roughly 100gbit/s.

Do the math.

Not sure what post of mine your referring to?

Paul Markham · 09-17-2010, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

This is like talking against a wall, lol...

Paul, will you be in amsterdam? Would love to chat in person..

The main things you guys just do not want to understand I think is:
1) Tubes are never going to go away again
2) If you kill a big tube, the traffic will just go to other smaller ones instead of going to your sites for some funky reason
3) You should be hoping that I buy more tube sites, since I, in contrast to everyone else, at least am willing to openly discuss this subject with you all...

Until you here in this thread that can not stop complaining, realize that you are a MINORITY feeling this way, you will never get out of your self dug hole-in-the-ground.

Wake up already...

No I won't be in Amsterdam. But if I were I would love to share a beer with you. By pouring it over your head.

Agreed Tubes will never go away. However they can be curbed. By forcing them to open up about their uploaders and damaging the people who support them. Explaining to surfers that penis enlargements don't work and dating sites are a con would be a start. Stop sending traffic to those supporting you would also help.

Yes free porn from the beginning was a damage to this business. Fools keep posting "How do I get traffic if I don't give away free porn?" The answer is called called SELLING. The day they started on the "free porn" route they were doomed to end up losing their business to free porn.

It was obvious what would happen. Free site owners, affiliates and sponsors all competed to see who could give away the most free porn. That was the only way they knew how to get a sale. The fact that the more they gave away the worse their ratios got was ignored. The only thing that held them back was the cost of hosting. When that plummeted the end was clear. Sites were giving away as much as possible hoping to get a sign up of 1-1,000s. Supported by dating and cam sites.

Nathan · 09-17-2010, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerco

Not sure what post of mine your referring to?

sorry, misread on my iphone, was referring to gonzo's post.

Nathan · 09-17-2010, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No I won't be in Amsterdam. But if I were I would love to share a beer with you. By pouring it over your head.

Very mature for your age, are we Paul?

You just disqualified yourself from even replying to the rest of the post...

SteveLightspeed · 09-17-2010, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Very mature for your age, are we Paul?

You just disqualified yourself from even replying to the rest of the post...

There is a saying in Russia "If everyone says you are drunk, you're drunk."

Why do you think everyone is so angry about pornhub and your tubes? I've never seen industry meetings called to discuss one companies practices before. You can't be that blind to the problem!

GonZo · 09-17-2010, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

sorry, misread on my iphone, was referring to gonzo's post.

Im sure that studios are sending you full scenes in hopes that people will buy DVDs or VOD time. Anybody thats worked with one studio knows how laughable that is.

I stand by my orignal post... its brilliant you guys are the equivalent of a modern day Al Capone.

Dilute others brands by giving away the goods while building demand for your own.

DWB · 09-17-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

DWB, seriously, can you try posting something that is even less based on facts please? LOL

This is the typical, typical adult industry mentality...

Believe no one, build your own little reality, and stick to it for all its worth, even if you die doing so...

Sad.

Do you know in many Arab countries, it's perfectly legal to stone a woman to death for cheating on her husband? But that doesn't mean it's right, yet they do it because it's legal to do so.

You can spin what you do anyway you want and hide behind whatever laws you need, it doesn't change the fact that you know it's wrong and you're a dick head for doing it. That is typical, typical behavior of criminals, to aways try to justify their actions and find loopholes to do so.

Reality is, I have wasted too much of my time sending your criminal organization notices to remove my videos. Just sent 9 more tonight.

xcode · 09-17-2010, 06:24 PM

why not create a download program that revenues? is better than nothing

Slutboat · 09-17-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Do you know in many Arab countries, it's perfectly legal to stone a woman to death for cheating on her husband? But that doesn't mean it's right, yet they do it because it's legal to do so.

You can spin what you do anyway you want and hide behind whatever laws you need, it doesn't change the fact that you know it's wrong and you're a dick head for doing it. That is typical, typical behavior of criminals, to aways try to justify their actions and find loopholes to do so.

Reality is, I have wasted too much of my time sending your criminal organization notices to remove my videos. Just sent 9 more tonight.

WOW a more logical beat down I have never seen.
DWB we don't always agree but right now... if I was gay...I would suck your cock.

GTS Mark · 09-17-2010, 08:24 PM

Nathan I'll be in amsterdam and own a pretty decent sized traffic network. Would you like to connect?

[email protected]

SteveLightspeed · 09-17-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GTS Mark

Nathan I'll be in amsterdam and own a pretty decent sized traffic network. Would you like to connect?

[email protected]

"My grandmother is for sale, cheap!"

SteveLightspeed · 09-17-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Do you know in many Arab countries, it's perfectly legal to stone a woman to death for cheating on her husband? But that doesn't mean it's right, yet they do it because it's legal to do so.

You can spin what you do anyway you want and hide behind whatever laws you need, it doesn't change the fact that you know it's wrong and you're a dick head for doing it. That is typical, typical behavior of criminals, to aways try to justify their actions and find loopholes to do so.

Reality is, I have wasted too much of my time sending your criminal organization notices to remove my videos. Just sent 9 more tonight.

Everyone in prison is "innocent" too.

dgraves · 09-17-2010, 10:16 PM

funny thing, this is one of the videos i sent a DMCA for earlier this week:

http://www.tube8.com/latina/secretary-creampied/225881/

i love seeing my stolen videos on a tube and everyone is high-fiving the uploader like he made the video!

dgraves · 09-17-2010, 10:24 PM

oh, here's another one i sent a DMCA for. maybe i should post them here for faster response.

http://www.keezmovies.com/video/best...ob-ever-563047

dgraves · 09-17-2010, 10:28 PM

i hope i see one of you fuckers at the forum next year. maybe i'll get someone to record it and i can submit it as one of your "viral" videos.

Title: "Brazzer dick licker gets his ass handed to him"

quiet · 09-17-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

"My grandmother is for sale, cheap!"

god you are a fucking douche. there, i said it.

Pipecrew · 09-17-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

i hope i see one of you fuckers at the forum next year. maybe i'll get someone to record it and i can submit it as one of your "viral" videos.

Title: "Brazzer dick licker gets his ass handed to him"

The guy who handles the dmca for them is named chewy, he's only like 6'8. I can't wait to see this viral video!

sgreen · 09-17-2010, 10:37 PM

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I can say Jordan Capri or Tawnee Stone just about anywhere and everyone will know who I'm talking about.

Been an adult aff for 6 years now and I don't have any clue whatsoever who either of those girls are

dgraves · 09-17-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew

The guy who handles the dmca for them is named chewy, he's only like 6'8. I can't wait to see this viral video!

good, he should be easy to spot at the forum then...

stocktrader23 · 09-17-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet

god you are a fucking douche. there, i said it.

Nice seeing you again. I read your 'how I did it' story a few weeks ago. No magic, just hard (smart) work. I love it.

Allison · 09-17-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Ways to hurt Tube sites.

Educate surfers that the dating sites adverting on them are cons. Links to stories of these dating sites being sued and telling them how to contact lawyers suing these sites.

Explain how Geo Targeting enables a site to tell them about the "Girl in their Town" who is looking for them. Explain that they are conning surfers out of their money.

Stop sending traffic to any site connected to a Tube site. Advertiser or owner.

Sue uploaders and build a fund to go after the big Tubes to reveal who their uploaders are and sue them.

They will not go away by wishing them away. You might be earning a bit from Dating sites today, long term it will bounce back on you. In fact it already is.

Paul, you list some creative ideas. The type of open and creative ideas we want shared and discussed at the content protection retreat event next month amongst studios.

Robbie · 09-17-2010, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew

The guy who handles the dmca for them is named chewy, he's only like 6'8. I can't wait to see this viral video!

LOL..you've never met Dave have you? I think he has enough to handle "Chewy" unless he's a 6'8" bodybuilder or something.

Dirty Dane · 09-17-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

funny thing, this is one of the videos i sent a DMCA for earlier this week:

http://www.tube8.com/latina/secretary-creampied/225881/

i love seeing my stolen videos on a tube and everyone is high-fiving the uploader like he made the video!

Why don't they remove it?

Atticus · 09-17-2010, 11:08 PM

This is all so ironic on so many levels.

1. The guy offers to attend this content piracy summit or whatever you want to call it and you tell him no. God forbid anyone keep it professional in this industry and actually have a legitimate discussion. But no, "i sent out 1,000 DMCA's so suck it douche bags" or "fuck you man, you're the problem" or the classic "I'm going to get on a plane and go kick some ass". You think if Viacom, Warner Bros or Fox held a technology summit with a focus on piracy they would exclude Google and YouTube? Of course not.

2. For every content owner bitching about the DMCA piracy loophole. YOU'RE ENTIRE BUSINESS IS BASED ON ONE GIGANTIC LOOPHOLE. Porn is prostitution. Period. But because you have a camera and film it you skirt the law. You dont think that drives the anti-porn zealots nuts? Of course prostitution should be legal, but thats not the issue. It isnt and a girl sucking and fucking 4 guys off for cash is a prostitute.

These tubes took advantage of the DMCA and are making a killing. Is it right? No. Is it legal? Yes. Go ahead and sue all the porn torrent uploaders you want. That's not going to solve anything. Tubes are the content delivery system for the average consumer's internet porn and they're here to stay.

Blingbaby · 09-17-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

This is all so ironic on so many levels.
..some other stuff..

Especially when you consider online porn was built on piracy back in the 90's..

Dirty Dane · 09-17-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

2. For every content owner bitching about the DMCA piracy loophole. YOU'RE ENTIRE BUSINESS IS BASED ON ONE GIGANTIC LOOPHOLE. Porn is prostitution. Period.

No, prostitution is paid for sex service while pornography is acting. It's considered as free speech and thereby protected by many constitutional laws.

stocktrader23 · 09-17-2010, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

This is all so ironic on so many levels.

Go ahead and sue all the porn torrent uploaders you want. That's not going to solve anything. Tubes are the content delivery system for the average consumer's internet porn and they're here to stay.

The point I was trying to make in the beginning. Oh well, another round of monkeys flinging poo. Just this time at consumers.

dgraves · 09-17-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Why don't they remove it?

i'm sure they will now. they removed about 40 videos this week. i guess when you have that much stolen content it's hard to keep track of it all.

it's like playing wack-a-mole with these guys, which is a game i'd like to personally play with them.

Atticus · 09-17-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

No, prostitution is paid for sex work while pornography is paid for acting work. It's considered as free speech and thereby protected by many constitutional laws.

Yes, I'm quite aware of the loophole and the reason it is allowed. Thus the reason I called it ironic.

You can deem it "acting" all you want. It's fucking for money and its prostitution.

digitaldivas · 09-17-2010, 11:44 PM

imho, Steve has always been an asset to Adult.

Nathan · 09-17-2010, 11:45 PM

dgraves, I will check why the DMCAs were missed. Can you tell me where you sent it?

dwb, I know very well what they do in arab countries, I do not see how this applies to anything though. I see nothing ethically wrong with DMCA, it actually has to exist, without it all hell would break lose online.
There clearly are enough people in this industry that understand this, that not everyone does is normal and I have to accept that.

Steve, what you do not seem to realize is, not EVERYONE is so angry. Even in this post there are PLENTY of people that disagree with you, not just myself... At least you should accept the truth.

I am horribly interested to see what you all come up with at the Content Retreat. I just also know that whatever you do, it will horribly fail. Why do I know that? Because I know my plans for the next 36 months, and I know that what I keep saying is correct, I want to make sure that we work with the industry and not against it... so we will just wait and see what happens, shall we?

Atticus, interesting comment.

Dirty Dane · 09-17-2010, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

Yes, I'm quite aware of the loophole and the reason it is allowed. Thus the reason I called it ironic.

You can deem it "acting" all you want. It's fucking for money and its prostitution.

To be pornography, money is not the criteria. It's still pornography without paying as long the intentions are the same (an audience). Prostitution is a personal service and money is the criteria.

It can also be pornography even if a movie is not dedicated to porn only. Are actors/actresses doing pornography in a Hollywood movie prostitutes because they are paid for acting?

If you consider free speech a loophole, then everything we do and say legally must be a loophole.

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Kingfish Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 668	An interesting thought I had ok you can?t sue the Tubes because they are basically treated as an ISP. However, say one of these guys that are getting sued for uploading videos to the torrents got the video from the tube via a download from the Tube or for sake of argument took a screen recoding of it directly from the tube. The guy that gets sued goes to his attorney and says how can this pay site sue me I got that video from a tube site and they had share buttons all over the site so I thought they owned it and they were giving it away. His attorney says well maybe we should implead the tube into this. So the attorney basically files a claim against the tube in the case being brought against his client on the basis of yes my client may have did what he was accused of, but it was only because the Tube gave him the impression that they owned the rights to said video and encouraged him to share it with others. Now wouldn?t that be a hoot? Last edited by Kingfish; 09-16-2010 at 09:21 PM..

09-16-2010, 09:18 PM	#105
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	If you look on the "illegal" tube sites that have gay videos that is owned by Manwin or anyone else, you'll notice that companies like Corbin Fisher do not have videos that have been upload there. Why? Corbin Fisher will sue the tube and will either settle or take it to court and likely win. They have done it numerous times. It's funny how owners of tube sites (cough Fabian) say that they do not monitor for copyright infringement but you do not find any videos of the sue happy companies on their sites. Granted, the tubes usually comply with DMCA requests but it seems like the tubes do not repeatedly infringe on those studios like they do others. Last edited by epitome; 09-16-2010 at 09:20 PM..

09-17-2010, 01:21 AM	#107
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	epitome, learn DMCA. Specifically "Red Flag Knowledge" and "repeat infringer policy". V_Rocks, I have to be honest, I had the same exact opinion as many of the people here about tubes before I bought Mansef and REALLY EDUCATED myself. We have an 80 page presentation done by a major law firm in the US for both sides of the fence of DMCA. After talking to them for 2 days, I now understand DMCA and the reason it exists and I understand why Tubes, in my opinion, are not using "loopholes"... I am not going to explain everything to the t here, since it will just piss people off more, but this is a firm believe I have. I would have no problem actually sitting down at a show with whoever wants to and discuss this in person, I stand by what I believe in. And I stand by this industry, even if some people here do not agree or think I am helping destroy it. In my opinion, I am far from distroying it, I am simply building an insane network of traffic. More Unique Eyeballs are viewing porn today than EVER BEFORE in history! This is a win for us, everyone just needs to figure out how to best sell their products to them. We are, and we are successfully doing so too. As you have most likely seen, Brazzers ads are all over big-traffic-sites. The sites CONVERT if you give the surfer something they can not get on the tubes. Which is QUALITY FULL CONTENT that is UPDATED OFTEN. We keep the quality of videos on the tubes low on purpose. Look at the damn things on our tubes, its horrible and grainy, I hate watching tube videos... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

09-17-2010, 01:52 AM	#109
mlove the guy Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 764	security enhancements are just going to hurt your sales more because users will be irritated with the lack of usability. Learn computers steve. __________________ If you won't feel as good, I won't feel as cheap.

09-17-2010, 03:24 AM	#112
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Steve, what the old owners did is their problem not mine. I just want to fix possible mistakes, if any were made. They did buy a ton of licenses before phub was launched though. Gerco, simply not true look at recent uploads... You think all those studios do this since it gets them nothing? Paul, it needs 17 million surfers each day and roughly 100gbit/s. Do the math. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

09-17-2010, 12:35 AM	#106
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	Look, Fabian, I realize that my comments on the win-win where somewhat generalized. I know that your company has hard working people, namely you. I realize that user submitted content that is legal is useful and adds to the site big time. I am only talking about using loopholes in laws instead of being ethical. If you cannot understand that concept then something has changed in you because we have had previous conversations about ethic treatment of surfers and you surely understood ethics back then. Or maybe I am missing the context in which you are referring to DMCA?

09-17-2010, 03:39 AM	#113
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Just tried to test pornhub and see how easy it is to upload content there as someone who does no own the content. Registered with an email that hasn't my name in it, confirmed the registration, went back to the site and get a blank page. Now pornhub only shows a blank page. Is this them trying to cut out uploaded content from people? So is the "anonymous" uploader one person of lots of people? None I would bet have the license to upload. A good way to get rid of pirated content is to approve all uploaders. Won't break the DMCA law. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-17-2010, 03:49 AM	#114
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Ways to hurt Tube sites. Educate surfers that the dating sites adverting on them are cons. Links to stories of these dating sites being sued and telling them how to contact lawyers suing these sites. Explain how Geo Targeting enables a site to tell them about the "Girl in their Town" who is looking for them. Explain that they are conning surfers out of their money. Stop sending traffic to any site connected to a Tube site. Advertiser or owner. Sue uploaders and build a fund to go after the big Tubes to reveal who their uploaders are and sue them. They will not go away by wishing them away. You might be earning a bit from Dating sites today, long term it will bounce back on you. In fact it already is. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-17-2010, 04:01 AM	#115
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	This is like talking against a wall, lol... Paul, will you be in amsterdam? Would love to chat in person.. The main things you guys just do not want to understand I think is: 1) Tubes are never going to go away again 2) If you kill a big tube, the traffic will just go to other smaller ones instead of going to your sites for some funky reason 3) You should be hoping that I buy more tube sites, since I, in contrast to everyone else, at least am willing to openly discuss this subject with you all... Until you here in this thread that can not stop complaining, realize that you are a MINORITY feeling this way, you will never get out of your self dug hole-in-the-ground. Wake up already... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

09-17-2010, 06:24 PM	#126
xcode Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 54	why not create a download program that revenues? is better than nothing

09-17-2010, 08:24 PM	#128
GTS Mark Formerly known as DH! :) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,911	Nathan I'll be in amsterdam and own a pretty decent sized traffic network. Would you like to connect? [email protected] __________________ Looking For Gay, Dating, Mobile, Banner, Hardlinks, IM Ads Or Popunder Traffic? ICQ 5191566 / E-mail: [email protected] Follow Us On Twitter. Also Sign Up For Our Newsletter For Updated Weekly Traffic Inventory

09-17-2010, 10:16 PM	#131
dgraves Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 2,283	funny thing, this is one of the videos i sent a DMCA for earlier this week: http://www.tube8.com/latina/secretary-creampied/225881/ i love seeing my stolen videos on a tube and everyone is high-fiving the uploader like he made the video! __________________ Gloryhole Swallow \| Cumpsters \| Spy Tug \| Cum Clinic \| Chica's Place Last edited by dgraves; 09-17-2010 at 10:17 PM..

09-17-2010, 10:24 PM	#132
dgraves Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 2,283	oh, here's another one i sent a DMCA for. maybe i should post them here for faster response. http://www.keezmovies.com/video/best...ob-ever-563047 __________________ Gloryhole Swallow \| Cumpsters \| Spy Tug \| Cum Clinic \| Chica's Place

09-17-2010, 10:28 PM	#133
dgraves Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 2,283	i hope i see one of you fuckers at the forum next year. maybe i'll get someone to record it and i can submit it as one of your "viral" videos. Title: "Brazzer dick licker gets his ass handed to him" __________________ Gloryhole Swallow \| Cumpsters \| Spy Tug \| Cum Clinic \| Chica's Place

09-17-2010, 11:08 PM	#142
Atticus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,051	This is all so ironic on so many levels. 1. The guy offers to attend this content piracy summit or whatever you want to call it and you tell him no. God forbid anyone keep it professional in this industry and actually have a legitimate discussion. But no, "i sent out 1,000 DMCA's so suck it douche bags" or "fuck you man, you're the problem" or the classic "I'm going to get on a plane and go kick some ass". You think if Viacom, Warner Bros or Fox held a technology summit with a focus on piracy they would exclude Google and YouTube? Of course not. 2. For every content owner bitching about the DMCA piracy loophole. YOU'RE ENTIRE BUSINESS IS BASED ON ONE GIGANTIC LOOPHOLE. Porn is prostitution. Period. But because you have a camera and film it you skirt the law. You dont think that drives the anti-porn zealots nuts? Of course prostitution should be legal, but thats not the issue. It isnt and a girl sucking and fucking 4 guys off for cash is a prostitute. These tubes took advantage of the DMCA and are making a killing. Is it right? No. Is it legal? Yes. Go ahead and sue all the porn torrent uploaders you want. That's not going to solve anything. Tubes are the content delivery system for the average consumer's internet porn and they're here to stay.

09-17-2010, 11:44 PM	#148
digitaldivas ..I Heart Cannibal Corpse Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 4,327	imho, Steve has always been an asset to Adult. __________________ ...

09-17-2010, 11:45 PM	#149
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	dgraves, I will check why the DMCAs were missed. Can you tell me where you sent it? dwb, I know very well what they do in arab countries, I do not see how this applies to anything though. I see nothing ethically wrong with DMCA, it actually has to exist, without it all hell would break lose online. There clearly are enough people in this industry that understand this, that not everyone does is normal and I have to accept that. Steve, what you do not seem to realize is, not EVERYONE is so angry. Even in this post there are PLENTY of people that disagree with you, not just myself... At least you should accept the truth. I am horribly interested to see what you all come up with at the Content Retreat. I just also know that whatever you do, it will horribly fail. Why do I know that? Because I know my plans for the next 36 months, and I know that what I keep saying is correct, I want to make sure that we work with the industry and not against it... so we will just wait and see what happens, shall we? Atticus, interesting comment. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger