FREE CHAT or NO FREE CHAT ?

[BoardiesBitch]

I have seen this on a foreign webcam girls forum.
I translated here for you.
It's a conversation between webcam girls working on several platforms.
I removed the webcam sponsor name as im not trying to point them out particularly.

- The models that show their body for free need to be dealt with somehow. The members on SPONSOR have completely lost their decency, they?ve become so rude- asking to show everything in the free chat. That?s because other models do show them everything on their first demand. And what?s up with flashing boobs for 1 tip? I would only stand up for that.

- Every year they become more and more spoiled! It might be because of the new models that don?t get anything explained well- so they?re trying to show off their every asset as fast as they can.

- That?s exactly why I don?t want to work on SPONSOR.

- I?ve talked to the support on this subject, they told me they would watch out for it more carefully and fine them.

- Stop spoiling them. Or they will be sitting and whining: "show us, well show us, everyone is showing and you, show us". I?m just answering: "Go and watch others, I have enough members without you". Gotta have some pride.

- What annoys me the most is when some member, when you don?t show him anything for free, says: But this model does it like that, I?ll go watch her. And then half of the chatroom is gone.

- With me, what is most upsetting is when a member once said: Show your boobs or I will give you a bad rating. And he did.

- It?s awful, everybody is asking to show everything and when you say: Let?s go to private, they answer: no credit. So what?s the point in working for 5 dollars. How do you get them to take a private if they?re always whining they don?t have any money.



Bottom line : webcam chathost don't want to have to deal with free loaders who will never pay anyway.

So i see the typical GFYer coming here : "we dont care, the bitch has to do free chats anyway".

Well if a girl does not have to deal with all freeloaders, she will much better at :
- keeping the guy in private
- working long term on the platform
- taking better care of the guy who is paying
- not wasting her time with guys who will never pay anyway
- building a real database of long terms client : if you are working revshare, that's basically what you want...

Everyone thinks you need to have free chat nowadays.
It's like 5 years ago, every video site wanted to offer 1 free movie to get more bookmarks.
Nowadays they offer 1000's of full length movies and they are not selling any more membership.
Smart move guys!!

You may convert better with free chats - but the girls won't be able to keep the guys for long.
Without free chat, indeed conversions MAY be 10% less - and not always... - but those clients that will sign up will stay with you and spend more because the girls will devote 100% of their time on them...

Discuss!

[VladS]

See Flirt4Free's concept. That's the way to go.

[kazbalah]

The girls put up with alot of shit in those free chat rooms, i can imagine they would have a much better time talking to members with credit only.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

Bottom line : webcam chathost don't want to have to deal with free loaders who will never pay anyway.

So i see the typical GFYer coming here : "we dont care, the bitch has to do free chats anyway".

Well if a girl does not have to deal with all freeloaders, she will much better at :
- keeping the guy in private
- working long term on the platform
- taking better care of the guy who is paying
- not wasting her time with guys who will never pay anyway
- building a real database of long terms client : if you are working revshare, that's basically what you want...

Everyone thinks you need to have free chat nowadays.
It's like 5 years ago, every video site wanted to offer 1 free movie to get more bookmarks.
Nowadays they offer 1000's of full length movies and they are not selling any more membership.
Smart move guys!!

You may convert better with free chats - but the girls won't be able to keep the guys for long.
Without free chat, indeed conversions MAY be 10% less - and not always... - but those clients that will sign up will stay with you and spend more because the girls will devote 100% of their time on them...

Discuss!

There is nothing wrong with Free Chat per se. It is a good feature to have. BUT having Free Chat for unregistered Guests and members that only registered for free with their email address and no credit card is a problem. The "beggars" are members that almost always do not spend money anyways. Sites that allow members to chat who have no intention of spending money are wasting bandwidth and needlessly pissing off models. They are also driving away good paying members who do not want to deal with all the chaos.

[BoardiesBitch]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

There is nothing wrong with Free Chat per se. It is a good feature to have. BUT having Free Chat for unregistered Guests and members that only registered for free with their email address and no credit card is a problem. The "beggars" are members that almost always do not spend money anyways. Sites that allow members to chat who have no intention of spending money are wasting bandwidth and needlessly pissing off models. They are also driving away good paying members who do not want to deal with all the chaos.

There are some good points indeed

[LeRoy]

Fuck free chat.

Are you gonna go up to a hooker and say "show me your puss?"

[lazycash]

Supply vs demand, there's always gonna be models and sites that have free chat as well as those who show in free chat mode (mfc). If you think conversions would only be 10% less with no free chat mode, you're very wrong, try as much as 50% less. I know models would love for customers to just click on their image and go right into private chat mode and stay for 30 minutes, but those days are long gone unless we're talking about repeat customers. The bottom line for camgirls is if you're not willing to do it, someone else is and they're most likely going to be the one with the bigger paycheck at the end of the month.

[Barry-xlovecam]

You are not dealing with the problems realistically.

"Show me your tits" will always be when guests are allowed in freechat.

Many men are dogs ? truth.

Conversely, freechat is "demonstrative selling." In other words, "Show me this is real and I just may buy..."

Freechat is a calculated risk.

Roll with the punches and play the odds.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

There is nothing wrong with Free Chat per se. It is a good feature to have. BUT having Free Chat for unregistered Guests and members that only registered for free with their email address and no credit card is a problem. The "beggars" are members that almost always do not spend money anyways. Sites that allow members to chat who have no intention of spending money are wasting bandwidth and needlessly pissing off models. They are also driving away good paying members who do not want to deal with all the chaos.

I mostly agree with this and think this is where Leo is making a mistake at mfc by allowing so many "guests" to view the cams. I do however think that mfc's option to give model's control to disallow guests and basic free memberships the ability to chat solves this issue of unruly freeloaders. I think some of the bigger cam programs could also institute something like this where models could turn off chat for free registrations and when they attempt to chat make it so they have to register a cc.

[Tjeezers]

chat sites are under a lot of competition, and sometimes this competition is under the models as well. LJ has so many models online, if you dont jump out in a original way you dont get the attention you were hoping for.

[campimp]

free chat is fine, it gets guys more interested... BUT, i think they should at least be forced to sign up for free membership at the least to chat in the rooms... no reason to let guys just wander into the rooms and start typing away without at least getting a free membership. at least then they are tempted to fund their account.... but why buy the milk when the cow is free...

[tonyparra]

If a guy is a free member for more than 30 days without buying something delete his account.

[BoardiesBitch]

Originally Posted by lazycash

If you think conversions would only be 10% less with no free chat mode, you're very wrong, try as much as 50% less.

I tested this on MGP and tube traffic
30,000 clicks for each products through a traffic brokering platform in June
it's 10-15%