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Tasty1

In Holland the government last year suggested that people had to pay extra tax for an internet connection. For that extra tax people could legally download music and movies. BUT they will use the money for cultural purpose??!!

In Holland we pay extra tax ond empty dvd's, hard drives, flash memories, that money is going to artist who supoosed to be less income by illegal downloads. It is about hundreds of millions, and offcourse no adult company is involved or have seen money. Even most artist haven't seen money, most disappeaerd and was used for targeting sites like pirate bay.

Now there is a plan to scan all internet activity with fingerprints on movies to see if somebody is illegal downloading....

Dirty Dane

There was this case with thousands of South Koreans sharing porn and they got all sued by Japanese and US studios. It's illegal in South Korea but their government also admitted they had to respect international copyright laws, even porn. I guess they all got double trouble

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dgraves

yes, from what i understand. the tube site is protected under the DMCA as long as the owner doesn't have direct knowledge of the infringement. when they find out about the infringement they must remove it immediately or they won't be protected under DMCA.

google is a prime example of this because you can upload any video you want and it will appear. it might not stay up long if it doesn't meet their terms, but it will appear. they don't review and approve each video.

tubes on the other hand are different because pretty much all of the videos are uploaded by the owners and sponsors who decided "if you can't beat them, join them". if you can prove that the owner uploaded the video the tube is fucked.

whenever "work" is created it's automatically protected under copyright so if one of your videos is on a tube site then you can go after the uploader personally. it costs about $500 for a lawyer to go after the uploader but i'm sure the tube owners have figured out how to get around the whole user IP thing. if your work is copyright registered then the uploader can be sued for up to $150,000 without showing lost revenue.

registering certain videos can be a good idea, especially if it's a popular one on tubes. videos can be registered online for $35 each or you can register a compilation. http://www.copyright.gov/

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DWB

Quoted for mother fucking truth.

He would not be posting up a storm if he was not starting to get nervous. Without "unloaders" Nathan's tubes will take a huge hit after everyone removes what illegal content is left.

But then again, we're all just a bunch of idiots who don't understand anything.

xcode

The article is saying the adult industry sue lot of users for illegal downloads.

The industry is now going to lawyers, the last month they opened 1.200 cases and they prepare much more for next month.

If you need a full translation let me know, is very long article... i speak perfect spanish

xcode

i think sites like megaupload and rapidshare are worst than torrents

Robbie

Okay...
Hey Nathan/Fabian You were already specifically pointed out ONE of Steve's vids on pornhub complete with url
But you said your lawyers told you not to take it down until Steve wrote a DMCA and asked pretty please.

This don't sound good man. It sounds like you not only have knowledge of it but the knowledge of it was given to you on a silver platter bro. And you still wouldn't take it down. You might want to get with your attorney and pay him to tell you to take it down...or you could just go into the admin, find that vid and hit delete and it wouldn't cost you a dime.

Just sayin' bro...

EDIT: And since everybody knows your name is Fabian...could you please ask the admins to just change your nic? It feels gay calling you a fake name. It's like I'm talking to a girl at the strip club, not the owner of a multi-million dollar business.

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DWB

I've also been somewhat following in Robbie's footsteps regarding content protection, and IT'S WORKING!!!!

Nothing is 100% perfect, but my NEW content is hardly out there at all.

Fuck the haters.

DWB

Yea, we can tell by how much you're posting in these threads. Actions speak louder than words, but in your cause, your words are running neck and neck with the actions. Congrats.

Robbie

I was happy to help you with ideas on that DWB. I'm glad you're seeing results.

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DWB

I'm sure there are quite a few epass card holders who are nervous right about now.

Nathan would not be posting in all of these threads, over and over and over again, if something wasn't bothering him.

DWB

Not bad, that only leaves 7 out of 15 that were stolen.

Dirty Dane

We had the same here in Denmark. But it didn't work. It's impossible to administrate. Who are entitled to what and how much? And why should the government control and interfere in free markets? As lawmakers, they should be there to protect and ensure free market, not put it out of equilibrium and into bureaucracy.

In the end, unauthorized filesharing was banned and no one get compensations from funds. But the tax is still there, just like the timeless "temporarily" VAT, and that's what happens when governments are given power to interfere with private economy.

DWB

Surprising results. Huge thanks to you.

I have no doubt in my mind that this is the way to go. All the work, the learning curve, the extra money to programmers... worth it. The only real problem I have is my OLD content that has been stolen and passed around everywhere. We've started cleaning it up, but it's a huge task. Just sent Nathan 9 DMCA's tonight, and that was just with hetro content. It's 9am (have not slept yet) and I'm too tired to send out at least 10 - 15 of the shemale videos he poached that belong to me. Will get on those later.

Shap

They are nervous Now! But were they nervous 4 weeks ago? That is my point. Right now he has no reason to be nervous.

PXN

The more this guy nathan post, the more dumb he look.

Nathan

I love looking dumb, that's why I post.. I also love discussions, that's another reason.. and the last one is that I was bored out of my mind the last few days, and now its the weekend, but I actually have something to do today, so I won't be around much, so sorry :/

dgraves, someone that actually educated himself, does not happen often sadly...

robbie, you have read what dgraves wrote, you have not fully understood it though. I am not going to help you understand it obviously, dgraves can do that... or your lawyer.

Have fun getting all upset over this post too ;)

The next few weeks will be hilarious... I see it already...

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Paul Markham

Sadly the situation has been the same from day 1. The race to put up more and more free content has got us nowhere. Because if 99% of the industry gave away 10 soft core pics, 1% thought it would be a good idea to give away 15.

Then everyone gave away 15. Destroying any advance for anyone.
Then 1% decide to go hard core. 99% followed. Destroying any advance for anyone.
Then 1% decided to give away 10 second video clips. 99% followed. Destroying any advance for anyone.

And so it went on and on and on. Ratios got worse and worse and the only thing that kept the house collapsing was more GOOD surfers coming online. When that leveled off the shit hit the fan and the decline came. Then BW dropped to a price so whole scenes could be given away for free and some did it.

All the time less and less people per 1,000 were buying.

Manwin will soon find they are going to suffer from the same problem. Someone with less overheads will start putting up more free content they they do, using the same DMCA safe harbor as they do and take their traffic.

How long before we see Manwin going after uploaders and downloaders only time will tell. And yes downloaders will have to be hit as well if the madness is to stop. They are also breaking the law and a threat.

They will also be hit with less and less people being conned into buying off their dating and penis enlargement ads. Again hurting their bottom line.

True. I was never invited to the meeting of the local Good Business Club.

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Paul Markham

You could lose 99% of your traffic and still make more money. The people who would never pay $5 for a lifetime membership will never pay $30 for a months membership. They're just free loaders. Best get rid of them and worry about those who will spend money.

This attitude that more and more traffic is the answer is the biggest problem we have. We need more BUYERS, not more traffic.

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Paul Markham

Been saying this for years. So here's how you can do it. Stop pushing shooters to work for less money, pay them more. Stop pushing them to shoot too much content in a day, more than 2 scenes at your level is killing the creativity. And start adding more content.

Easy to say "win them back" so go do it.

Will be reviewing your members area soon. Unless you decide not to let me.

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Paul Markham

Selective lying. Wish I could come to Amsterdam and pour 2 beers over your head.

The videos I was talking about were the ones marked. Videos Being Watched which are almost all full length unwatermarked. And often uploaded by guys like this

BryanC

Joined: 1 year ago
Last Login: Yesterday
Videos Watched: 96
People have watched bryanc videos: 17646532 times

Who has I assume uploaded Public Videos (1044) most from what I see full length.

So in one year this guy has uploaded 1044 videos = 2.86 a day. In fact if you look at the videos he has uploaded some days he's doing nothing but uploading videos. Is he the owner of all this content and just wants to give it to you for free, or a site ripper, or did you buy this content?

What ever he is he hurts your business. Because no one will join a site after seeing all the free porn Bryan is loading. So you have to survive on ripping off surfers with fake dating sites and penis enlargements.

YES SOME OF THE SHORTER ONES DO HAVE WATERMARKS. And I urge affiliates sending these sites traffic to cut them off. Let them make their decision on who they support.

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Nathan

Paul, pre march 1st

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SteveLightspeed

You bought the company, you bought their problems and the liabilities.

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Zyber

Excuse me, Steve, but I need to ask you one thing.

Why involve the press, when your stated mission is to milk the pirates with lawsuits? Is it just a big publicity stunt? Also why keep all the threads on GFY "scaring" the pirates?

I thought your goal is to milk copyright infringers for cash? Why warn them publicly before your attack? That seems inefficient to me. You will get better results attacking your targets out of the blue, instead of warning them first.

Somehow this looks more like a scaring campaign? Or personal boasting? Or am I missing something?

I contacted you on ICQ with some info that might be useful in your piracy battle, but never heard back from you.

Good luck to anyone who fights the pirates.

Shap

Sure email me and i'll get you a login.

Btw the economics have to come in to play as well. If one photographer is willing to cut his fee to get work (because nobody is hiring him) and another guy refuses to cut his fee. Why pay the higher rate or even pay them more? I know the whole you get what you pay for. But when people are out of work that isn't necessarily true.

BTW check out the book "Drive" the author actually argues you get less the more you pay staff/contractors.
http://www.amazon.ca/Drive-Daniel-Pi...4829102&sr=8-1

Zyber

Quoted for truth.

Recently I even saw in the error logs that a guy tried to login with 5-6 different passwords that he found on a password list. As they didn't work he ended up signing up with his CC the next day. It is the old theory from CircleJerk: Teach the surfer that "free" is nothing but frustration.

Protecting your content and access to it WORKS!

messiah1

$2k for downloading a torrent in this economy? the rich is shitting on the poor is at an all time high.

atheos

press releases said assets only,not the company
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/978327-manwin-official-statement-re-acquisition-brazzers.html
'has acquired assets of the Mansef group, which includes IP technology as well as domain names'

Robbie

Maybe people should think twice before stealing shit then.

For that matter...those "poor" folks should look at the govt. around them to see who is "shitting" on them. For instance, if a guy goes to a local club tonight to get his mind off his financial problems from todays economy and has a couple of beers and a shot...and then gets pulled over by the cops driving home, it's gonna cost him a LOT more than $2k just for having a few drinks.

That is the govt. teaming up with insurance companies to FUCK the hell out of him.

Stop being selective about shit and start acting like you are in this business instead of making smartass comments to your peers who are trying to protect themselves.

If a person doesn't want to end up paying out money for STEALING....then here is a good idea: Don't steal.

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Alky

Don't tell me you never copied a friends cassette tape back in the day...

frank7799

So it is. Tubes - if they store user uploaded content - are online service providers. Therefore their liability for online copyright infringement is limited. Regarding user uploaded content, the limitation depends on the following:

TITLE II: ONLINE COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT LIABILITY LIMITATION


Section 512(c) limits the liability of service providers for infringing material on
websites (or other information repositories) hosted on their systems. It applies to
storage at the direction of a user. In order to be eligible for the limitation, the
following conditions must be met:

• The provider must not have the requisite level of knowledge of the infringing activity, as described below.
• If the provider has the right and ability to control the infringing activity, it must not receive a financial benefit directly attributable to the infringing activity.
• Upon receiving proper notification of claimed infringement, the provider must expeditiously take down or block access to the material.

In addition, a service provider must have filed with the Copyright Office a
designation of an agent to receive notifications of claimed infringement. The Office
provides a suggested form for the purpose of designating an agent
(http://www.loc.gov/copyright/onlinesp/) and maintains a list of agents on the
Copyright Office website (http://www.loc.gov/copyright/onlinesp/list/).
The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998
Copyright Office Summary December 1998 Page 12
Under the knowledge standard, a service provider is eligible for the limitation
on liability only if it does not have actual knowledge of the infringement, is not aware
of facts or circumstances from which infringing activity is apparent, or upon gaining
such knowledge or awareness, responds expeditiously to take the material down or
block access to it."

The problem is that the owner of copyrighted content hardly can prove who in fact uploaded the content.

I may add my personal experience here. I tried several tubes and uploaded content which never got listed. Maybe my content was shitty, of course. On the other hand this could be a hint that there is no user uploaded content.

Thats how tubes can whitewash.

What exactly - regarding porn - can legally be uploaded by John Doe? Nothing at all.

It´s unlikely that John Doe got a license of an adult movie before he uploads it on a tube. Tubes sell accounts to affiliate programs, maybe they give them away. I highly doubt the latter. Whatever, you can hardly upload content as a program owner without an account.

So this "user uploaded content" is a complete excuse to get rid of liability. There is no user uploaded content. At least there is no content which could be provided legally by John Doe.

Nevertheless DMCA offers tube owners the opportunity to hide behind those regulations. That´s why I´m with Steve Lightspeed here.

Gerco

Problem is, same dude will charge back once he has downloader everything you have then zip it up and share it to a torrent or post it to pornhub...

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you're right, it's common knowledge that tube site uploads are from the owner of the site who stole if from another site or the sponsor/content producer. the content producer has every right to upload it which alot do to get the traffic.

tubes sites obviously have a way to prevent being caught uploading stolen content or they would have been sued long ago. this would be the smoking gun.

at the moment, tubes are protected by the DMCA so the only option at this point is to go after the uploader. i'm not sure if anyone on here has ever supeanaed to get the uploader's personal info but it would interesting to see what they came up with.

it's only a matter of time before a producer coalition is formed to combine efforts to go after uploaders. i'm sure it will prove that there are very few john doe uploaders if any at all.

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scottybuzz

if surfers steal they must accept the consequences.
Theives used to have their hands cut off so they should count themselves lucky.

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Robbie

That's not true Dave. The majority of it IS uploaded by surfers.

Check this link out:

http://www.pornbbDOTorg/newsearch.ph...sults=t opics

Replace the DOT after pornbb with a .

I'm sure the owners of the tubes started them off with some vids...but trust me, surfers took over real quick.

That is why the lawsuits against uploaders WILL be effective for porn. And the more media coverage of it the better.
Right now the average person THINKS that they don't have to pay for porn and that it's free and nobody will do anything about it.

Well, once the word gets out that it's your ass when you do it...then that shit stops. And then it becomes a little bit simpler to DMCA your stuff down when it isn't being re-uploaded 5 minutes later.

Things are changing. And about damn time too.

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dgraves

that's actually good news then. it means there are more "real" people to go after!

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Robbie

EXACTLY! Cha-Ching!

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Robbie

You do realize I was a professional musician and touring from 1978 until the mid 1990's? I'm the LAST guy to ask if he ever stole music.
Having said that...you know goddamn well that a group of friends sharing a cool mix of songs on a cassette tape doesn't equal a fucking thief putting it online for MILLIONS of people to steal for free.

HUGE difference. But then again, you already knew that and apparently have zero respect for me or Steve or anybody else trying to make a living in this business. So I guess that seemed like a cool and funny thing to say to troll. Real classy of ya.

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Zyber

The EU is a great place since there are no internal borders anymore. Traveling is easy.

Someone who is really angry could visit a couple of addresses in Germany - to discuss DMCA with stubborn owner's of some the biggest file-sharing hosts.

As an added bonus there are no speed limits on the German Autobahn (Highway), and there is no airport security check to slow you down.

Those who are still furious can also discuss with some hosting companies in Sweden and in Holland.

It is a myth that the bad guys are hiding somewhere far far way. That's just what they want you to believe.
They enjoy good lifestyles in the Western world. They are not hiding in Siberia

Major (Tom)

Well, at least following this logic, which is correct, we don't have to worry about GTS selling you bullshit submission accounts to tube sites as that will totally open the tubes to litigation.
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Alky

Not trying to troll you at all.... but where do you draw the line?

Like you said... stealing IS stealing. I'm sure back in the day record executives didn't consider it "sharing". But now when all of a sudden since its more widespread and more people have access to it, it is a problem.

It'd be like me breaking into 1 house and comparing myself to someone who breaks into 1000, and saying hey... I only broke into 1 house.

My point is if people are going to start going after downloaders... there has to be a line drawn. What all of a sudden people will start being sued because they downloaded a image when they visited a website. Pay me XXXX or I will take you to court and expose you as a ______. Pretty soon extortion will be the new way to make money.


Edit: Also I think it's great you are putting a foot forward to protect your content, and going after people who steal it and republish it.

Zyber

And those guys hiding in St. Petersburg or Moscow have probably forgotten to declare tax from their hidden income (shelf companies). If they are sent to Siberia after that, is another matter.

The file-sharing hosts can be taken down without the use of DMCA.

Major (Tom)

How is the rich shitting on the poor? What's up with your mentality? If people were poor they wouldn't even have the net to begin with. This is simply a case of a man who is having is stuff stolen and going after the people contributing to it.
Just because you can get something online for free doesn't mean that it is. People need to be re-educated about this, and this is the problem, more so than the actually theft. The mentality of "well it's already on the net, so it must be free" is no different than me walking past my neighbors house as he's packing for vacation, he leaves his suitcase on the curb next to his car as he goes it to make sure the stove is off, and I grab it saying, "well it was on the curb, so it must be trash, and therefore free." I think what Steve is doing here is also about re-educating the nitwits who think everything on the net is for free. Once a few thousand get served, word will spread, and then you will see a decrease. God Speed Lightspeed.
Duke

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fris

steve dont forget to mention pornhub/manwin in your interview

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SteveLightspeed

The news will make it to the press soon enough anyway. I think people that use torrents already know the risks they are taking. We planned to be low key about this at first, but xbiz broke the story and press has been contacting me.

As far as these threads, its an important industry issue that needs everyone's attention.

I don't recall seeing anything from you, please send it again.

Steve Lightspeed

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