The hypocrites in porn.

[Paul Markham]

It's just struck me what hypocrites there are in porn. Or is it different people with different views?

Go to a convention and there are dozens to hundreds of webmasters looking at semi naked girls with their tongues hanging out. JFK shooting pictures of them sticking their hands on the girls and grinning, girls they have barely met, not paying and all over in a fleeting second. This they think is cool.

People shooting girls asking them to have cum shot all over their face, or a guy in their ass, or POV with a guy who dare not show his face. People who don't give a thought to how a girl feels about this, so long as they earn money from her being covered in cum, DP or other things we know she won't like and only doing it for money.

When I read from a shooter that he never touches a model. I'm confused. Here's a girl who he doesn't know, trying to keep as far away as possible, frightened to touch her and he thinks this makes her comfortable. A girl who he than asks to be fucked on camera or just open her lega and do i pink. Which he'll make sure gets maximum exposure and likely to effect the rest of her life. Yet he can't go over and straighten her pose or clothes.

Yes when I clown around with a porn model, for a promo clip. It makes people feel bad or squeamish.

[Harmon]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Harmon

This is cool. Me doing it for business isn't. Yes the clip was promotion and a job for her and me.

[TheDoc]

Where is the hypocrisy?

[Paul Markham]

What a hypocritical industry can do.

[TheDoc]

Posing for a picture is the same as handling a model during a shoot?

Replace hypocrisy with stupidity and you've got yourself a real thread going here.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's just struck me what hypocrites there are in porn. Or is it different people with different views?

Go to a convention and there are dozens to hundreds of webmasters looking at semi naked girls with their tongues hanging out. JFK shooting pictures of them sticking their hands on the girls and grinning, girls they have barely met, not paying and all over in a fleeting second. This they think is cool.

People shooting girls asking them to have cum shot all over their face, or a guy in their ass, or POV with a guy who dare not show his face. People who don't give a thought to how a girl feels about this, so long as they earn money from her being covered in cum, DP or other things we know she won't like and only doing it for money.

When I read from a shooter that he never touches a model. I'm confused. Here's a girl who he doesn't know, trying to keep as far away as possible, frightened to touch her and he thinks this makes her comfortable. A girl who he than asks to be fucked on camera or just open her lega and do i pink. Which he'll make sure gets maximum exposure and likely to effect the rest of her life. Yet he can't go over and straighten her pose or clothes.

Yes when I clown around with a porn model, for a promo clip. It makes people feel bad or squeamish.

the girls don't care how I feel...

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

the girls don't care how I feel...

There we go ...

[DamianJ]

This is funny. You *really* cannot see the difference between webmasters LOOKING at a girl without much on who is parading about TO BE LOOKED AT and you groping and pawing at a model you paid TO TAKE PICTURES OF. She isn't your whore Paul. She is a professional model. They way you acted was unprofessional at best and illegal at worst. You are disgusting.

If you weren't just joking about getting a job where you will be in charge of children I will do everything in my power to make sure you get removed from that position.

[DWB]

The whores I shoot would be insulted if everyone in the room didn't try to get their pecker in them.

[porno jew]

good luck your new job teaching english to the children in the village paul. hope it works out for you better than porn.

[porno jew]

people in brno don't have the same sexual hangups like in the UK so shouldn't be a problem.

Originally Posted by DamianJ

This is funny. You *really* cannot see the difference between webmasters LOOKING at a girl without much on who is parading about TO BE LOOKED AT and you groping and pawing at a model you paid TO TAKE PICTURES OF. She isn't your whore Paul. She is a professional model. They way you acted was unprofessional at best and illegal at worst. You are disgusting.

If you weren't just joking about getting a job where you will be in charge of children I will do everything in my power to make sure you get removed from that position.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by porno jew

people in brno don't have the same sexual hangups like in the UK so shouldn't be a problem.

Oh right. So whilst *I* stupidly thought she looked terrified he was going to try and fuck her, she actually was wet as the niagra falls and practically BEGGING to suck his wizened crusty old cock?

Blimey, these differences between body language in different parts of the world are fascinating. I feel silly for suggesting he was being a filthy dirty old letch taking advantage of a young model.

[porno jew]

you must have watched a different video than i? it looked like they were practically bf and gf by the end of the video.

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Oh right. So whilst *I* stupidly thought she looked terrified he was going to try and fuck her, she actually was wet as the niagra falls and practically BEGGING to suck his wizened crusty old cock?

Blimey, these differences between body language in different parts of the world are fascinating. I feel silly for suggesting he was being a filthy dirty old letch taking advantage of a young model.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by porno jew

you must have watched a different video than i? it looked like they were practically bf and gf by the end of the video.

It must just be the difference between girls in the West and girls from Brno. You know how Indian people shake their head side to side when then mean yes? It's that kind of thing I guess.

To my untrained eye, she looked scared and uncomfortable. But to Paul's professional eye he saw a girl that really really wanted to take his load all over her pretty little face.

[grumpy]

why dont you start a blog.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by grumpy

why dont you start a blog.

www.disgustingoldpervshoutingatclouds.com is free

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[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by grumpy

why dont you start a blog.

Actually blogging this toporn fans would get a better reaction. They're less touchy than these porn professionals. God knows how they feels about Dave Cummings fucking girls.

[EukerVoorn]

Personally I feel it's better for your biz, as a producer, not to try to have sex with your models especially on the set. This for the simple reason that if you keep your distance, the models will have more respect for you and see you as their employer rather than a buddy which will result in better work results.

Personally I think that guys who go into the porn biz because they like girls, are like kids in the candy store. They may get their pussy from time to time but they won't do great business wise or they end up getting beaten up by jealous boyfriends or dads.

What happens AFTER the shoots between photographer and model is a totally different story but people fall in love with each other on the workfloor of any industry, not just the porn biz. Just try to keep business and work seperated if you want to be professional.

[Jack Sparrow]

Paul groping a girl. What else is new.

If it looks like a mental old fart, has yellow teeth like a retarded old fart, smells like an old fart, wheres cheap 2nd hand clothing like an old fart and tries to touch a girl that obviously does not want some old farts hands on her: what do we have?

Answer: paul markham.

Maybe we should all email the girl and tell her that she could get some money in a nice lawsuit

[EukerVoorn]

Did I write that? Speaking of hypocrites hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[pornmasta]

We are family....

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

Personally I feel it's better for your biz, as a producer, not to try to have sex with your models especially on the set. This for the simple reason that if you keep your distance, the models will have more respect for you and see you as their employer rather than a buddy which will result in better work results.

Personally I think that guys who go into the porn biz because they like girls, are like kids in the candy store. They may get their pussy from time to time but they won't do great business wise or they end up getting beaten up by jealous boyfriends or dads.

What happens AFTER the shoots between photographer and model is a totally different story but people fall in love with each other on the workfloor of any industry, not just the porn biz. Just try to keep business and work seperated if you want to be professional.

We spent 100s of pounds shooting a model. Her money, film, make up, clothing, location. Anyone who thinks we did that to sleep with her isn't thinking straight. We spent that money to make a profit.

The respect I needed from a model was a finely balanced thing. I needed her to respect my work, me and trust that I knew where I was going with my flirting. To build her up and get a good reaction from her. not to get her into bed. That for me was always the easy part. Anyone who comes into porn shooting to get fucked. Will get fucked good and proper.

In his bank account.

The problem is the arena porn people have to often work in. no one wants to wank off to a girl on auto pilot. They want to wank off to a girl they think wants to fuck them rotten. Helps if the model has some warm feeling towards the person with the camera.

[epitome]

You go on a mainstream shoot and the photographer rarely touches anything but his camera and lights.

If you can't direct a girl to do something without touching her then you're doing something wrong and suck at your job.

I have shot and have seen many others shoot and nobody is touching the models. Professionalism.

[L-Pink]

It's YOU that makes it creepy.

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[porno jew]

why do all your paysite reviews call you a "creepy old man?"

coincidence?

[seeandsee]

it's normal, you will find hypocrites everywhere, its in the nature of people...

[FlexxAeon]

paul, you already won the fucking award. give it a rest

[SilentKnight]

I still recall a fetish-scener model we shot a few years ago who, after the shoot was done said, "I wish we'd gone a little farther." Evidently she was disappointed we didn't all get naked and spend the remainder of the evening doin' shit with the cameras off.

She wanted to scene, despite us telling her from the onset of the shoot that we (my wife and I) were simply (monogamous) photographers and wanted her to just model bondage.

She was a good model and we enjoyed working with her. But her comments at the end of the shoot stuck with me over the years.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

I still recall a fetish-scener model we shot a few years ago who, after the shoot was done said, "I wish we'd gone a little farther." Evidently she was disappointed we didn't all get naked and spend the remainder of the evening doin' shit with the cameras off.

She wanted to scene, despite us telling her from the onset of the shoot that we (my wife and I) were simply (monogamous) photographers and wanted her to just model bondage.

She was a good model and we enjoyed working with her. But her comments at the end of the shoot stuck with me over the years.

I bet Paul gets that all the time.

"When you told me you had an erection, I really wanted you to fuck me with it. It is not at all inappropriate for a photographer to grope me. Please spunk on my face. "

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What a hypocritical industry can do.

The only hypocrisy I see in this pic is a white guy who probably comes on GFY and rags on Azns for having small pee-pees.

[Grapesoda]

[QUOTE=DamianJ;18477541] a model you paid TO TAKE PICTURES OF. She isn't your whore Paul. She is a professional model. QUOTE]

how do you know what he paid her to do? how do you know she isn't his whore? how many shoots have you done? what do you know about professional models?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by epitome

You go on a mainstream shoot and the photographer rarely touches anything but his camera and lights.

If you can't direct a girl to do something without touching her then you're doing something wrong and suck at your job.

I have shot and have seen many others shoot and nobody is touching the models. Professionalism.

depends what glass you're using and it's a really BIG world, pretty sure you're not the be all, end all authority on how to run a shoot

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

I still recall a fetish-scener model we shot a few years ago who, after the shoot was done said, "I wish we'd gone a little farther." Evidently she was disappointed we didn't all get naked and spend the remainder of the evening doin' shit with the cameras off.

She wanted to scene, despite us telling her from the onset of the shoot that we (my wife and I) were simply (monogamous) photographers and wanted her to just model bondage.

She was a good model and we enjoyed working with her. But her comments at the end of the shoot stuck with me over the years.

had a model want to do a DP with me and the male talent after a shoot once... not my thing, had models ask me to fuck them during the shoot, rather complete the shoot and make the money... it's always about the money to me on some level

[Deej]

Whos the poor mother fucker with the miniscule penis...

[junction]

My hand on Felix's ass, and Buffy's hand on my cock. I don't get what you're saying.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Deej

Whos the poor mother fucker with the miniscule penis...

Chaz Bono, and that's a clit.

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[Jakez]

Wow, Paul do you realize you are easily the biggest hypocrite and troll on here?

Talk about needing a reality check.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

depends what glass you're using and it's a really BIG world, pretty sure you're not the be all, end all authority on how to run a shoot

Do you touch your models inappropriately? It sure it starting to sound like it considering how you keep defending it. Sorry you're not professional but some people choose to treat this as a business.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by junction

My hand on Felix's ass, and Buffy's hand on my cock. I don't get what you're saying.

Everybody looks happy there. Not terrified. The men in the picture also don't look like creepy old perverts.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by epitome

Do you touch your models inappropriately? It sure it starting to sound like it considering how you keep defending it. Sorry you're not professional but some people choose to treat this as a business.

maybe ask donny pauling.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's just struck me what hypocrites there are in porn. Or is it different people with different views?

Go to a convention and there are dozens to hundreds of webmasters looking at semi naked girls with their tongues hanging out. JFK shooting pictures of them sticking their hands on the girls and grinning, girls they have barely met, not paying and all over in a fleeting second. This they think is cool.

People shooting girls asking them to have cum shot all over their face, or a guy in their ass, or POV with a guy who dare not show his face. People who don't give a thought to how a girl feels about this, so long as they earn money from her being covered in cum, DP or other things we know she won't like and only doing it for money.

When I read from a shooter that he never touches a model. I'm confused. Here's a girl who he doesn't know, trying to keep as far away as possible, frightened to touch her and he thinks this makes her comfortable. A girl who he than asks to be fucked on camera or just open her lega and do i pink. Which he'll make sure gets maximum exposure and likely to effect the rest of her life. Yet he can't go over and straighten her pose or clothes.

Yes when I clown around with a porn model, for a promo clip. It makes people feel bad or squeamish.

You are an idiot. I am an idiot for replying to you... but what you fail to understand is that when a guy is doing a shoot (that he is not suppose to be in) it is a business. He is paying the girl to do a job and he is there to film, not fuck with her. The models at the conventions and shows are paid to do a job, which is look pretty, be friendly and "interact" with the guests.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What a hypocritical industry can do.

Wow dude, keep your pants on if you that small. I wonder which fake nick he posts under here ? Must be European, doesn't look cut. lol

[Loryn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's just struck me what hypocrites there are in porn.

I think you need to get out more... there are hypocrites in EVERY industry... it's not just a porn thang...

IMO the girl didn't look uncomfortable, she just didn't "feel it" and in that thread you were stating how important it was to know the model, understand the model, and make sure you convey to her exactly what you want so when you, or anyone shooting for that matter, are filming a model she is relaxed, it shows on camera, and as you said increases sales... well that clip was the antithesis of what you were stating... not hatin' just sayin' she wasn't relaxed, she wasn't herself, she was very stiff... I don't think it would've been such an annoyance to everyone if your thread wasn't preaching to other shooters in the industry how to reach out to a model and get the most out of her, when that clip was nothing close to anything you were preachin'...

Like I said, not hatin' just sayin'... Maybe next time when you are preachin' to people how to run their business you could post an example of something you did to back up what you are telling others to do... actions speak a lot louder than words... Just some friendly advice...

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by junction

My hand on Felix's ass, and Buffy's hand on my cock. I don't get what you're saying.

who is felix ?

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

We spent 100s of pounds shooting a model. Her money, film, make up, clothing, location. Anyone who thinks we did that to sleep with her isn't thinking straight. We spent that money to make a profit.

The respect I needed from a model was a finely balanced thing. I needed her to respect my work, me and trust that I knew where I was going with my flirting. To build her up and get a good reaction from her. not to get her into bed. That for me was always the easy part. Anyone who comes into porn shooting to get fucked. Will get fucked good and proper.

As far as I know, models do this work to make money. I work with really good-looking models only (I decline 90% of the models who approach me), the remaining 10% is really beautiful enough to work into a bar and have more than 100 men to chose from for a fuck. They don't need to get into the porn industry for that. Another option these girls have is doing escort work which pays better than porn, they don't get published and they can be picky about their clients.

The problem is the arena porn people have to often work in. no one wants to wank off to a girl on auto pilot. They want to wank off to a girl they think wants to fuck them rotten. Helps if the model has some warm feeling towards the person with the camera.

I agree with this, the set atmoshere reflects in the final product. But It's my experience that if a model has her pussy wide open for your cock and you tell the model that she has to wait till all shoots are done, her pussy only gets more open and wetter. Which is better for the product.

I book porn models to work with them, not to fuck with. I don't have much respect for most of them, some are really dirty, so often I can smell the vicious pussy scent during the shots (I shoot wide angle so I get close) so I definitely wouldn't want to have one of my body parts inside them. The only reason I book porn models for this is because they are the only ones who don't mind to get published. The really beautiful girls you find elsewhere or at fashion model agencies but they don't want to be published in porn videos so that's why I book porn models for that. But if I want sex or romance I either use a dating site or I go to a disco, or I book a fashion model for portrait shoots and take her for romantic dinner after that

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by epitome

You go on a mainstream shoot and the photographer rarely touches anything but his camera and lights.

If you can't direct a girl to do something without touching her then you're doing something wrong and suck at your job.

I have shot and have seen many others shoot and nobody is touching the models. Professionalism.

You're totally right here and let me tell you something... I shot with hundreds of well known international models, including USA Penthouse pets and all. And I often discuss this matter with them, and most confirmed that even when they're in the industry for 5 years or longer, they've never been touched on tits or ass or asked for sex by photographers. Seems to me that it's the typical fat ugly dog faced porn slut that gets messed around with and they don't mind having to sleep with "older" photographers because they are so fucking ugly that they appreciate any man who is willing to shove his dick inside them.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by will76

Wow dude, keep your pants on if you that small. I wonder which fake nick he posts under here ? Must be European, doesn't look cut. lol

You fucking 2 feet tall monkey you got me again.... so it was me..... but now show me your cut penis ok?

[Dirty Dane]

If Le Coq is happy, then you know she will sell