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Thank you for sharing your thoughts Paul.
I agree with you that improving of our product(s) is a part of anti-piracy campaign, and I also believe that we should BOTH fight piracy and AND work on improving of our content/sites/member areas etc. Fighting piracy should be a complex strategy involving many factors, one of them is surely creating a product that is actually worth paying for. You cannot beat piracy by just making a better product, but you need something that is worth the asking price to sell to your potential customers after your OTHER anti-piracy efforts resulted in surfers being unable to find good and fresh stuff for free that easily.
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I'd say it's all the big wigs running tube sites -- can anyone says Brazzers
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I mean really? You think porn can stop piracy, when music, movies, tv and videogames have all, massively and publicly failed? Really? |
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I wrote out a long reply to you but deleted it all because you are simply too narrow minded to discuss this issue. People who are stuck in the box, will always be so.
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Bit silly when other people are interested in reading too.
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I do not just "think", I know that's possible and I know how to do that.
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You guys have all forgotten the biggest pirate supporter on the internet and its called GOOGLE which we all support and use in one way or the other
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Shame you deleted the reply, you seem more intelligent that Robbie and Paul as when anyone dares suggest that blackmailing potential customers is a demonstrably a bad move they just cuss and call you names. I'm willing to read an alternate argument. But is Paul's brilliant idea is 'make better content and stop promoting AFF' and Robbie's argument is "FUCK OFF CUNT YOU ARE ON IGNORE", they are not going to persuade me that spending time and money fighting a war with a 200 year old track record of failure is a good idea. Maybe you can? Let's start it off: I think, despite the fact that every other content producing industry has tried this and given up on it, it is a good idea to send letters to owners of an IP address to try and extort money from them because... |
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Because MPAA and RIAA had to pull out because of the bad publicity, while porn producers couldn't care less because their publicity is already bad. Because it's not going to scare any of the potential customers because surfers do not care what "reputation" of a company is, they only care if their porn is good or not.
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It has been tried over here in the Uk with both mainstream and porn as far back as 2008. It is in no ways a new idea at all.
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Is extortion really the correct word in this instance?
I thought extortion was something like the mob going to some mom & pop store and telling them they need to pay them " protection" money or their store will burn to the ground. When the lawyers serve the " suspected " pirates the pirates have a choice of admitting their guilt and paying for the damages or claiming their innocence and having their day in a court of law to do so. If found innocent they walk away and if found guilty as accused, they pay the damages. That just seems like a normal, legal process to me. Settling out of court is a very common thing and I don't see how that's considered extortion. Lawsuits, insurance claims and the King of Pop settled out of court and it's not extortion. What makes this a tad bit different is the embarrassment factor which plays a big part in the accused's decision however, the accused has a choice with a legal path. The embarrassment factor is not new and often used as a deterrent or to settle out of court. Daytona Police have adopted this tactic in fighting prostitution. They couldn't get rid of the hookers and the johns kept coming so they decided to have the local paper publish the names of all the Johns arrested for soliciting prostitutes. The only part I don't like in using this tactic to fight piracy is that innocent people will be dragged through it as a result of the imperfect technology. It's unfortunate collateral damage in a war that must be fought some way some how. I imagine a day will come when every person that accesses the internet will be required to have a unique identification like a SS# or Drivers license # that can be traced and connected to them. |
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If you think that will be secure you're as sane as cam_girls.
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And even in UK, a huge portion of the failure is attributed to that fucked up company ASC:Law or whatever their name is. Were they're not that obviously scummy, the scheme could go on just fine - and it could still go on just fine in fact, because the scheme itself is still perfectly legal in the UK, as Digital Economy bill is still a law; it's just that you couldn't find a lawyer to run it, as almost all of them scattered away because of the bad publicity. No such problem in the US ![]()
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I do see it has a logical progression though. Much like drivers licenses were created to determine who is who on the road and to help make them accountable for their actions. |
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You CAN compete with free... you just have to sell it. Why pay for it? Far more clips than any tube, all full length, all full screen, all of highest quality no more grainy terrible clips and slow servers, come where everything loads fast and where you can find what you want in seconds not hours! Sites are updated daily, fresh content, exclusive content, no pop up ads, no viruses, no adware or tool bars, person on the go? we have mobile versions of all our top sites and videos that will play with all newer cell phones.. You get what you pay for, and we are the best in the game.. It's time to step up and join the pros and once you do you will never be able to go back to the free stuff again... SELL! ![]()
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I see a 2 tier internet coming. The desktop PC web will be "net neutral" but the mobile web & the web that streams content to HDTVs will be controlled by the ISPs & hollywood. Just like 1 big Itunes, where steve jobs et al. decides what you can see & cant see on your wireless device & HDTV.
Piracy will not die, but it will be limited to a net neutral desktop web where download speeds are so slow the torrents & file sharing sites will wither from having no access to the fast internet. The future is the mobile web & streaming to HDTV. This is where hollywood & the ISPs will control what you can & can't view. Since our government is incapable of passing meaningful regulations any longer, these webs will be considered private networks instead of public utilities (like phone service) & thus free speech will be meaningless. Disney, News corporation, time warner, & verizon will control what you see. The google-verizon deal provides the roadmap to this coming web. |
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You asked why do we think that this scheme would work now while all previous attempts to implement it failed, and I explained.
If you're asking now if I believe that will stop piracy or not - the answer is no, neither me nor any other person I know believes that. But we do believe that it'll put a dent on piracy - cannot make suggestions right away as to how deep of a dent that will be, as there's no stats and nothing to compare with. All previous attempts were too chaotic and short lived. Now that the long-term pressure is mounting, we'll wait and see what effect on piracy it had. For example, in a year from now lets compare Alexa traffic ranks of some of the biggests porn torrent sites with what they are now.
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London introduced a charge for driving into the centre during the daytime. Result? Huge amount of cars registered to someone that didn't exist and people having their number plates nicked and screwed on someone else's car. All down to similar sort of identification being used in these sort of cases. It's your car number plate on the list - it MUST have been you. It's your IP address on the list - it MUST have been you.
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And yet for almost 3 years now I have been begged you guys everytime I see one of you at a show to PLEASE get your content off the pirate sites. And everytime I get assured that finally Naughty America is going to do something about it. Just this week in one of the many piracy threads a link was posted with your entire members areas from your sites. For God's sake man....How can ANY of us honest affiliates possibly make good sales when that kind of thing is and has been happening with your stuff? Go to pornbb dot org . Type in naughty america in the search. Open your EYES man! That is just ONE search on one site. And it doesn't count the hundreds of other searches with deliberate misspellings and/or individual site names of your paysites and/or model name searches. I have been saying to you guys over and over and over that Naughty America has some of the best content and paysite members areas of anyone. Maybe even THE best. Right now this month I'm 1:4437 with you guys. I've promoted this program since it was Socal Cash and it always converted less than 1:300 until about 3 years ago when piracy blew up big. PLEASE either hire removeyourcontent or do SOMETHING to effectively DMCA your stuff down. Otherwise it won't matter how long the clips are that you give to affiliates. Fuck...I can go download your entire members areas off of rapidshare right now and stick it up as "promo" if I wanted to. We can't compete with that. How do I sell a membership to your site when surfer forums like porn bb (alexa traffic rating: 1,233) are posting up nicely organized links to all of your stolen content for millions of surfers to see? If ever there was one company that really, really needs to get it's act together on piracy...it's Naughty America. These fucking thieves are killing you. With the quality of the content you have and are shooting right now...I should be making money hand over fist with you. But I can't. My stats by the way are 100% derived from your own hosted galleries running on my tgp's. So the surfers are looking at your galleries. Then they are going to the tour. But then the deal isn't getting closed. My suspicion based on my years of experience? They are using me running your galleries and then your tour page to see what the latest update is so they can then search for it on the torrents, file shares, and tubes. We are like a fucking t.v. guide of porn for them to know what to look at next for free. ![]() Please, please hire removeyourcontent It's far more inexpensive than doing it yourself and Eric and his team already have the tools and connections in place. I'd like to see N.A. back where it belongs. |
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There is a law here against shoplifting. If there wasn't almost everyone would rampage through stores taking anything they wanted like it was the NBA finals in LA. The stores could never stay in business. However, some people still shoplift but it's nowhere near as bad as it would be if no law against it were in place. It's against the law here to rob a bank. If there wasn't, everyone would just walk in and take as much money as they want and the bank would not be able to stay in business. However, some people still go in and try to rob banks but it's nowhere near as bad as it would be if no law against it were in place. It's against the law to commit rape........ |
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The only way you are going to get your perfect system is with Stasi like monitoring of EVERYBODY worldwide and even then a lot of people will get picked out for things on suspicion rather than proof.
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It will end up the same as what happened over here when the US people realise what is going on
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What I was saying is someday, someone will find a way take away the anonymity of internet users with the intent to make them accountable for their actions. |
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EVERYTHING you do online being monitored - wouldn't just apply to people that were being naughty.
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The beauty of Paul's argument is that if enough people followed his advice it really would work. For real. It really would work. Of course, this sort of proactive action will never happen and that's precisely why Markham's idea will never work. Pretty sad really. Lightspeed's plan on the other hand just might work. .
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I was merely predicting the future based on history and the way a civilized society polices itself. There is also a BIG difference between " everything you do online being monitored " and having some form of " verifiable identification " for each person that chooses to access the internet. |
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Lightspeeds plan will hit Torrents, do Tubes keep logs of who uploads? Because without that the industry will still slide further down the slope. We grew in a time when the customer had no options. Now he has. |
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Google already keeps records of a lot of what people do while they are logged into gmail or any of their other things. Would only really be an extension of that.
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![]() None of it is really about stopping piracy it's just using piracy for free distribution and hoping for a new revenue stream. With every 'great idea' there are always unforeseen consequences.
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I read about 'blackmailing' illegal downloaders.
So i think the torrents deliver the gun that is put to the head of the illegal downloaders. Who is quilty when someone pulls the trigger? And i read the people that are downloading are mostly people who won't buy because a lot of these downloaders are underage. So illegal sites let your kids watch uncensored hardcore porn! People who are fighting illegal porn must also do good marketing how to bring it to the public and politics to get their support. |
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For instance...I gave Pornhub a shot as an affiliate. Everybody on here was bragging about how the tubes were a great traffic source and everybody else was getting rich by putting their vids on them. So I gave it a shot. They signed up as an affiliate and I uploaded a few vids. Millions of views over the last 4 months to the vids. SIX sales for them as an affiliate! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() But I digress...back to the original point: To upload vids you have to create an account as a user. You can't just be anonymous and upload. So when I log into that account there is a big link that says "VIDEOS" and it shows every video that you uploaded as a user. That's easy enough. Now you have me, my email address, and my ip that I am uploading from. Hell, just imagine the data that they collect that way on millions of people. Probably make more money selling lists than they do on the pre-paid spots. So yeah. they DO have logs of who uploaded and what they uploaded. And there is also a big link that says: "PREVIOUSLY VIEWED" on your account page. And that one shows the vids you have recently watched as well. It's all collected and the data is mined and used. Nice and tidy if a subpoena is issued. ![]() |
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Well Robbie, why do you think the lawyers are not going after tubes but going after torrents?
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Problem starts when a random guy on an internet board start thinking that he is some kind of a theoretical scientist, a historian, a philosopher or a research professor .. and assume people should MUST read the shit written by them.
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PREVIOUSLY VIEWED won't count for shit. Prolific uploaders automate their* stuff to a huge number of sites with no actual personal interest in viewing it. *their: Once they have removed your watermark and put their own on - it's their video. Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks
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PS. By legal sites, I do not mean paysite .. most free sites, blogs, legal tubes, tgps could be legal.
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It's a social thing. They get off being known as the "go to" guy for big tit stuff for instance. I see it all the time on hundreds of surfer forums we monitor. They DEFINITELY are viewing it. When you get a thread on Claudia-Marie and in between "thanks", you get a guy asking about a specific scene he wants and inquiring if the uploader can find it...and then the uploader responds to that thread...you aren't just talking about "automation" You're talking about a social phenomenon. Until you actually own stuff that is being pirated AND spend a couple of years finding your stuff and figuring out what is really going on....you are just theorizing like so many on here do constantly. If it were just a few "super uploaders" running scripts...we wouldn't be in a world of shit. No, it's MILLIONS of people who can't wait to get home and see how "popular" they are today on the forum. I've even laughed out loud when we take the vids down..and I go back to the thread to see the original uploader moaning and crying because his "hard work" was ruined. ![]() |
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In that way it is much different than having your online activities logged only to be viewed under special circumstance such as a court order. The former watches what you are doing. The latter sees what you've done. |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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![]() But it is marketing talk, offcourse there are other sources. But now the accent is on stealing, sometimes it is better to point to other points than financial. Else people acccuse you of blackmailing innocent illegal downloaders. Sue some minors to pint out that it is s Sodom & Gomorra and you are protecting the kids ;) But on the other hand, if there are more regulations there will be other problems. |
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