POLL: Do you support the war on piracy? - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

Argos88 · 10-02-2010, 03:52 AM

Users?

lol... that's stupid.. you must sue OWNERS.. not users...

You obviously don't have a clue about what's going on, Steven... you also made the poll public, SS practice?

Did you know that Blockbuster filled for Bankruptcy? Same as MGM.

One new Blockbuster store is closing it's doors EVERY SINGLE DAY all around the world.

ADAPT OR DIE, right? That's the right-wing Darwinist Slogan.

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Barefootsies · 10-02-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Let's make a little wager. Let's both send our September 2010 income statements to a neutral third party, along with $1000 in cash. Whoever made more money last month wins the money.

Since you are so convinced that my business is "gone", let's see if you'll put your money where your mouth is, or back down like the pussy keyboard warrior we all know you to be.

Game ON.

Tasty little offa right d'ere.

Paul Markham · 10-03-2010, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Unless you are NOT also stealing or downloading...

1. Free Music
2. Downloading Hollywood Movies via Torrents
3. Watching Tube Videos from Copyrighted Works
4. Using Cracks or Pirate PhotoShop, and other Software Programs.
5. Frequenting Visit and Recommend ANY Tube Site with Copyright Work...

Among countless other examples of theft on the web, you simply need to shut your piehole.

Just because some here steal everything else on the web, and boast and brag about how they have not paid for music in a decade, or they can get cracks to P.S. or other software and then have the BALLS to bitch that because THEY are now being stolen from?

When you start paying for everything you get from the web for free, including music, movies, software, scripts, then you can pitch a bitch. But I would bet you good cash money that most in this thread are hippocrates truth be told. Starting with their music libraries.

Sadly very very true. I was shocked when I first employed programmers and the attitude towards stealing other programmers hard work. They were genuinely shocked that I would pay fro the multiple copies of Photoshop, ACDSee and other programs. Even though selling content on the Internet pirating others content was for them the norm.

I feel a lot of the opposition to what Steve is doing is born out of a fear that it works and they find themselves on a list of pirates getting letters.

Paul Markham · 10-03-2010, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Lol, as soon as one goes to court, it's game over. The judge will laugh it out of court because there is no, you know, evidence.

I can't wait for the first one to go to court.

Hey STUPID have you seen other cases of pirates being taken to court? One comes to mind with the defendant being given a $500,000 fine. I predict one of these pirates will get taking to court, will get his ass handed to him by the judge and it will make a lot of others think twice before ignoring the letters.

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Oh, cool. You are now actually claiming I am a pirate. Brilliant. Provide evidence or be banned.

(And sending me a letter saying you think I am a pirate and demanding 500 bucks will not be accepted as evidence).

9) False accusations against a person or company. We all want to know what companies and individuals have done you wrong. Just make sure you back any claims you make up with solid proof. If you plan on calling someone a scammer, liar, cheat, or anything else, have your proof in order and post it with your claim. False accusations will be grounds for immediate banning.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=136

Seems you should of been banned a long time ago then.

As usual a force accusation from DamaianJ

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Originally Posted by woj

we all like to play arm chair lawyer, it's fun... but face it dude, it's a bluff... stakes are high, so most will fold, but it's still a bluff... no one is going to start a lawsuit over it, it's just as expensive to sue someone as it is to defend yourself... (filing fees + lawyer fees, dozens of lawyer-hours, over all it will cost $1000s to sue someone)... and then here is the kicker, even if you win, you still lose, good luck collecting any $$ from some unemployed idiot who downloaded some porn via a torrent...

if you don't think so, lets see some links to some court proceeding transcripts of successful cases that were filed....

No you're wrong for the reasons I stated. A lawsuit will happen and it will be a positive for those fighting piracy.

Paul Markham · 10-03-2010, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Slutboat

This dude with his "Unwinnable Fight" theory is so fucking full of shit.

Mainstream anti-piracy measures have been incredibly successful (within the US). And no I don't think you are against piracy. I have read a bunch of your crap dude, you are pro-piracy, you say you are against piracy just so you don't get attacked here. Sure you may wish that piracy would magically disappear but you would never lift a finger to make that happen, you just say we should just accept piracy and embrace it. This means you are fully pro piracy and thus a Pirate yourself...

Thats right homey - I just called you out as a Pirate. Now run along and go play with your torrents and wait for the summons to come.

Damian has made so many posts about piracy and Torrents that it's clear he's not as anti as his "I'm against piracy" statements try to make out. Here's one he made yesterday on another board.

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Yeah but THINK paul. The RIAA and MPAA lost many many millions trying this so the pirate WILL NOT be paying for the inspector. Try again.

So you can't answer the question about more than one person on the house then? OK.

Or, you are fighting an impossible fight and totally wasting your time. And I realise that any time and money spent on fighting piracy is wasted. As 500 years of history prove.

At best he's spineless and is rolling over to the pirates. At worse he's pirating.

Ethersync · 10-03-2010, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I feel a lot of the opposition to what Steve is doing is born out of a fear that it works and they find themselves on a list of pirates getting letters.

By the same logic someone opposed to the war in Afghanistan is a terrorist scared they could be attacked next.

Paul Markham · 10-03-2010, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA

I have no respect for pathetic people that resort to thieving scumbag lawyers as a business model, when they couldn't evolve their business due to their narrowminded inflated egos. You guys have become those "old people" that tried to fight rock and roll in the 1950s. I pity you all and laugh at your weakness. There are 1000s of FREE signups a day from ALL these traffic sources.

I have no respect for people who think they can pirate others hard work, profit from it, boast about and think they are untouchable.

I don't care if they get embarrassed about being pirates, don't care if they are embarrassed into paying and will whoop for joy when the same name comes up time after time.

Because if this escalates as I predict, the plaintiffs might be sharing information. The "Letter" might come from more than plaintiff and be more than $500. Or the same person might think he's on a mailing list of lawyers defending content owners.

Paul Markham · 10-03-2010, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PornMD;17561611[B

]As a surfer looking in, it's clear adult has to do SOMETHING or it will perish eventually.[/B] Not so much perish as in there won't be porn online, but at some point it just won't make sense to make new content, and the actual people that make content will move on to other things. Since all the old stuff will be out there for free, it'll be basically suckering people into paying for porn at that point (i.e. like GoDaddy suckers people to pay for cash parking when almost every other site provides it for free).

Whether I agree with Steve's methods or not, he's doing SOMETHING. The rest of you are booing it while doing NOTHING. If you don't like what HE'S doing, then YOU organize something that will have an effect against piracy. He's doing what he's doing because the industry simply won't collectively do shit about piracy...if the rest of you came together and came up with a better solution, he wouldn't need to do this. But you won't...too busy whining about no sales to do shit.

It won't perish completely. Just whither and whither. The downturn of this industry started as the Internet started to put out more and more free content. The downturn of the Internet porn industry started when free porn started to bite it in the ass.

I predict without a big change most here will be gone, this board and many others will be gone, there will be no need for many affiliates if any. Because the cost against the return will be negligible. The industry will be taken over by a few of the companies who are now giving porn away to take the traffic. They will stop giving it away and start giving people the option of buying or looking at short clips.

They will spend money fighting those who pirate them and make sure companies like AFF don't advertise on the new pirates.

It's called business. Those in it today can do something about it of like Damian give in. And stick their asses in the air. Is this monkey called Damian?

Relentless · 10-03-2010, 07:04 AM

Do everyone a huge favor and don't call it a 'war on piracy.'

We have actual wars going on with people dying. This may be important but it is not a war. It belittles the people fighting in real war to trivialize the term with idiotic notion of war like a war on drugs or piracy or anything else.

Also, you will carry more weight with a more positive underlying message. Nobody is anti abortion or pro abortion. People are ardently pro life or pro choice. At the end of the day this is a marketing effort. You are trying to sell the public on the notion that people deserve to earn a living for working hard and producing a product worth owning rather than having it stolen from them.

To answer your poll, I support Publishers Rights, I support Pay To Play, I support Honest Income and many other sensible slogans for this long overdue campaign. I do not support calling it a 'war on piracy.' Don't let criminals get to sound like cool pirates (that's a name they chose for themselves with some mystique). Don't trivialize War.

The guy who stole your movie and uploaded it is not a strong swordsman captaining a ship bound for adventure - he is a 36 year old criminal stealing from a store owner the same way he would if he went to a hardware store and ripped off a few 20s from the cash register. We don't call people who steal from a local store pirates, we call them criminals, thieves, scumbags, shoplifters, a burden on society etc...

Controlling the narrative will be critical to your success.

Good luck

candyflip · 10-03-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Excluding the "don't care" people, its now 81% for and 19% against. Thanks to all for your votes and comments.

Steve Lightspeed

I know you now think that this means that those 81% are in support of what you are doing. It's obvious from the way you set up the poll that this was your intention.

I hope that you are smart enough to see that that is not the case.

candyflip · 10-03-2010, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Hey STUPID have you seen other cases of pirates being taken to court? One comes to mind with the defendant being given a $500,000 fine. I predict one of these pirates will get taking to court, will get his ass handed to him by the judge and it will make a lot of others think twice before ignoring the letters.

I guess you glanced over the part of that story that finished with saying the Judge threw out the fine and pretty much let them off with a slap on the wrist.

I'd be willing to bet that they are back to downloading free music once again.

CamJack · 10-04-2010, 12:41 PM

I bet Steve has alot of dough, alot of nice rebills.

But this AIN'T selling any NEW memberships:
http://main.tawneestone.com/res/4944...3c1a53176f8a4e

Steve hire me to redo all the outside of your sites for you and I can guarantee that I will triple your new signups.

fatfoo · 10-04-2010, 12:45 PM

I support disallowing downloads of full movies of many hours length for free.

CamJack · 10-04-2010, 01:00 PM

You have to evolve. If your tour content isn't better than what's on the tubes, then how do you expect to sell a new membership?

Brand all your content. Do you know HOW many signups brazzers.com gets a day?! Steve used to get hundreds, if not a 1000 free signups a day from typin traffic. All his pictures were branded and spammed on every single yahoo group in the world.

The tube site is the evolution of that. Most tube sites have SHITTY quality clips...most. Beat the pirates at their own game. I can upload a clip, get 100,000 views in 2 days, probably 1 to 3 signups from typin traffic, and 150 to 400 clicks on a banner and 1 to 3 signups from that. DO THAT ALL DAY LONG, AND HAVE HD IN MEMBER SECTION.

Sell quality, raise the bar, give people the best you can encode, stop being lazy bastards and suing people like little bitches.

CamJack · 10-04-2010, 01:24 PM

This is my take on tube sites:

Keep it under 10 minutes, a low bit rate. Have 'something' be an upsell.

These full length places that look like a 80 to 90% quality dvd rip, is bad. There should be a general sense of uniformity with standards amonst tube owners.

It's harder and harder to sell advertising on these sites, and buying it surely is retarded, You never make 1/2 your money back unless you are a cam site or dating, in my opinion.

When the advertisers are gone and you can't convert anything under 1 in 30,000 its a problem. All the little tricks stop working after awhile. These surfers have a PHD in NOBUYOLOGY. It's a tough grind that's for sure.

Every tube site should be an affiliate to 300+ programs and WORK WITH each company to make sure everyone is on the same page. Have a way to remove the unwanted content easily. Program owners should burn all OLD content on the tube sites and have the fresh updates in the member's area. This way EVERYONE makes money.

Far-L · 10-04-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

There *is* no right way, that's the problem Mr Lightspeed. It's all been done before and all had zero impact.

It's an unwinnable war.

But I am certain sure it will make you some bank in the short-term.

All wars are truly unwinnable if you want to get truly philosophical about it. However, for the record, we have had success in this arena more than failure.

I am not so naive to think "piracy can be stopped" any more than I think people will not take drugs anymore. However, win enough skirmishes, defend successfully against enough ambushes, and carry the day on enough battles and you can say that the effort is worth it... even in spite of the bloodletting and carnage and scarring that goes with the effort.

marcorandazza · 12-26-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Mr Lightspeed already posted/boasted that it is his retirement plan.

It's like the war on drugs. Pointless and unwinnable.

Of course, I am against piracy, but I am also against wasting the most valuable resource we have, time, in fighting an unwinnable fight. We could be doing something productive with that time.

I can understand it appears an easy way to make money for some, but I imagine as soon as the first court case contests it, it will crumble. It's the fact it lacks that whole pesky lack of proof thing I imagine the judge will have an issue with.

I don't see anything wrong with Steve saying that it is his "retirement plan." If nobody ever stole Steve's content, I would imagine that his income would have been two to ten times what it is now. Therefore, his 401K and Roth IRA accounts would probably be a lot bigger.

If he wants to repair the damage done to his retirement plans by holding the little fucks responsible who stole his content, then what's wrong with that?

I do have respectful disagreement with Steve as far as tactics, but on overall philosophy (making thieves pay) I'm with him.

HerPimp · 12-27-2010, 12:53 AM

Already sites banning this country from visiting their websites to avoid issues.

DamianJ · 12-27-2010, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by marcorandazza

If he wants to repair the damage done to his retirement plans by holding the little fucks responsible who stole his content, then what's wrong with that?

Nothing at all.

But Lightspeed doesn't have sufficient evidence to prove the people he is sending the quasi-blackmail letters to are the "little fucks responsible".

This is the issue I have. And a judge in England agreed with me:

http://www.thelawyer.com/judge-dismi...006420.article

ACS:Law have been playing this blackmail game for about 5 years in the UK. Not a single case has gone to court, until recently. The lawyers trying to pull this trick Lightspeed has 'borrowed' had their case thrown out of court by the judge and are now facing a committee hearing in March where it seems likely they will be disbarred. I know this is in England, but I reckon the American legal system isn't far behind.

Hope that helps clarify things.

View Poll Results: Do you support the war on piracy?
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No	37	20.90%
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10-02-2010, 03:52 AM	#151
Argos88 So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,732	Users? lol... that's stupid.. you must sue OWNERS.. not users... You obviously don't have a clue about what's going on, Steven... you also made the poll public, SS practice? Did you know that Blockbuster filled for Bankruptcy? Same as MGM. One new Blockbuster store is closing it's doors EVERY SINGLE DAY all around the world. ADAPT OR DIE, right? That's the right-wing Darwinist Slogan. . Last edited by Argos88; 10-02-2010 at 03:54 AM..

10-03-2010, 07:04 AM	#159
Relentless www.EngineFood.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,698	Do everyone a huge favor and don't call it a 'war on piracy.' We have actual wars going on with people dying. This may be important but it is not a war. It belittles the people fighting in real war to trivialize the term with idiotic notion of war like a war on drugs or piracy or anything else. Also, you will carry more weight with a more positive underlying message. Nobody is anti abortion or pro abortion. People are ardently pro life or pro choice. At the end of the day this is a marketing effort. You are trying to sell the public on the notion that people deserve to earn a living for working hard and producing a product worth owning rather than having it stolen from them. To answer your poll, I support Publishers Rights, I support Pay To Play, I support Honest Income and many other sensible slogans for this long overdue campaign. I do not support calling it a 'war on piracy.' Don't let criminals get to sound like cool pirates (that's a name they chose for themselves with some mystique). Don't trivialize War. The guy who stole your movie and uploaded it is not a strong swordsman captaining a ship bound for adventure - he is a 36 year old criminal stealing from a store owner the same way he would if he went to a hardware store and ripped off a few 20s from the cash register. We don't call people who steal from a local store pirates, we call them criminals, thieves, scumbags, shoplifters, a burden on society etc... Controlling the narrative will be critical to your success. Good luck __________________ Website Secure \| Engine Food ICQ# 266-942-896

10-04-2010, 12:41 PM	#162
CamJack Old School Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 1,334	I bet Steve has alot of dough, alot of nice rebills. But this AIN'T selling any NEW memberships: http://main.tawneestone.com/res/4944...3c1a53176f8a4e Steve hire me to redo all the outside of your sites for you and I can guarantee that I will triple your new signups. __________________ Skype: promote.promote [email protected]

10-04-2010, 12:45 PM	#163
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	I support disallowing downloads of full movies of many hours length for free. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

10-04-2010, 01:00 PM	#164
CamJack Old School Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 1,334	You have to evolve. If your tour content isn't better than what's on the tubes, then how do you expect to sell a new membership? Brand all your content. Do you know HOW many signups brazzers.com gets a day?! Steve used to get hundreds, if not a 1000 free signups a day from typin traffic. All his pictures were branded and spammed on every single yahoo group in the world. The tube site is the evolution of that. Most tube sites have SHITTY quality clips...most. Beat the pirates at their own game. I can upload a clip, get 100,000 views in 2 days, probably 1 to 3 signups from typin traffic, and 150 to 400 clicks on a banner and 1 to 3 signups from that. DO THAT ALL DAY LONG, AND HAVE HD IN MEMBER SECTION. Sell quality, raise the bar, give people the best you can encode, stop being lazy bastards and suing people like little bitches. __________________ Skype: promote.promote [email protected]

10-04-2010, 01:24 PM	#165
CamJack Old School Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 1,334	This is my take on tube sites: Keep it under 10 minutes, a low bit rate. Have 'something' be an upsell. These full length places that look like a 80 to 90% quality dvd rip, is bad. There should be a general sense of uniformity with standards amonst tube owners. It's harder and harder to sell advertising on these sites, and buying it surely is retarded, You never make 1/2 your money back unless you are a cam site or dating, in my opinion. When the advertisers are gone and you can't convert anything under 1 in 30,000 its a problem. All the little tricks stop working after awhile. These surfers have a PHD in NOBUYOLOGY. It's a tough grind that's for sure. Every tube site should be an affiliate to 300+ programs and WORK WITH each company to make sure everyone is on the same page. Have a way to remove the unwanted content easily. Program owners should burn all OLD content on the tube sites and have the fresh updates in the member's area. This way EVERYONE makes money. __________________ Skype: promote.promote [email protected] Last edited by CamJack; 10-04-2010 at 01:26 PM..

12-27-2010, 12:53 AM	#168
HerPimp Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 1,197	Already sites banning this country from visiting their websites to avoid issues. __________________