some ways to stop pirates

[DVTimes]

1. rather simple but easy. just put at the bottom of your website pages that members must not share passwords or content. that if they do then its a fine of $1000 or somthing.

I suspect a lot who re-post content think if they are members then they can do this. tell them not to and it should put a lot off.

2. offer a reward. offer a reward to anyone reporting pirated content. let others do the work to find your content rather than spend all day doing it or even paying others to do it.

3. club together. set up a newsletter for other webmasters. if you find pirated sites, inforn other webmasters. make it so a pirate site cannot last on the net.

4. change your rules. mqake it part of your rules that affiliates are not alowed to run sites containing pirated content. many illigall tube sites makes money from such as dating sites. most of those dating site owners are on this site. so if you find sites making cash from dating sites - report them. and if they keep paying then we should expose them on such as this forum, and refuse to promote them.

[seeandsee]

internet police should be fine, arest all mother fuckers

[ottopottomouse]

1. rather simple but easy. just put at the bottom of your website pages that members must not share passwords or content. that if they do then its a fine of $1000 or somthing.

I suspect a lot who re-post content think if they are members then they can do this. tell them not to and it should put a lot off.

try enforcing the fine

2. offer a reward. offer a reward to anyone reporting pirated content. let others do the work to find your content rather than spend all day doing it or even paying others to do it.

person posts your stuff on a forum

tells you they have 'found' it

you pay them

Where do I sign up

3. club together. set up a newsletter for other webmasters. if you find pirated sites, inforn other webmasters. make it so a pirate site cannot last on the net.

possibly a good idea

[Phoenix]

i was thinking you would pot a picture of a gun

cause its the only way to stop it

[MindWaste]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

i was thinking you would pot a picture of a gun

cause its the only way to stop it

well here is a piture of a gun but not about pirates really just funny i just made this vid a bit ago..

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

1. rather simple but easy. just put at the bottom of your website pages that members must not share passwords or content. that if they do then its a fine of $1000 or somthing.

I suspect a lot who re-post content think if they are members then they can do this. tell them not to and it should put a lot off.

Actually, more than 90% (probably very close to 100%) of the reposts come from those using stolen/hacked passwords. At least for our program that is so - legit members are highly unlikely to go to pornbb or empornium and post a full site rip there.

Thus improving your server's security is in fact a direct content protection measure.

As to the rest of your suggestions, I fully support them.

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

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2. offer a reward. offer a reward to anyone reporting pirated content. let others do the work to find your content rather than spend all day doing it or even paying others to do it.

Where do I sign up,

[Davy]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

I suspect a lot who re-post content think if they are members then they can do this. tell them not to and it should put a lot off.

A lot of guys think that way, yes. This is good advice.

2. offer a reward. offer a reward to anyone reporting pirated content. let others do the work to find your content rather than spend all day doing it or even paying others to do it.

This is a good idea, but would get quite costly.
What if 100 people report the same site? I assume you would only pay one finders fee for the first person.
That will discourage other people to report sites.

[Cash4Me]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Actually, more than 90% (probably very close to 100%) of the reposts come from those using stolen/hacked passwords. At least for our program that is so - legit members are highly unlikely to go to pornbb or empornium and post a full site rip there.

Thus improving your server's security is in fact a direct content protection measure.

As to the rest of your suggestions, I fully support them.

Yes, this is the sad truth.
Most shared content and passwords come from hacking actions.

[borked]

I think that at the very least there should be a load of text linked to in the footer explaining this content is subject to copyright restrictions and it is illegal to distribute it, copy it etc etc.

You know like you see on all DVDs and CDs.

All I see is for example:
| COPYRIGHT ? 2010 LIGHTSPEED MEDIA | ALL RIGHTS RESERVED |

And I ask myself, what is copyrighted? The web page? That doesn't state that the mdeia is copyrighted or it's illegal to upload one of the movies to a bt site...

In fact, it should be expressely written whether it's legal as a member to make a copy of the movies/sites (if available as site downloads) onto permanent media like HDs or DVDs... Or whether you can show it to other people at eg a party at your house.


It should be an absolute minimum imo to state the limitations of media use.

[DVTimes]

bump...........

[DVTimes]

By the way a reward could simply be a month or so on your site.

Or you could have the reward given if it leads to a conviction. Ie, if you manage to sue a site, then you could give 10% as a reward.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by borked

I think that at the very least there should be a load of text linked to in the footer explaining this content is subject to copyright restrictions and it is illegal to distribute it, copy it etc etc.

You know like you see on all DVDs and CDs.

All I see is for example:
| COPYRIGHT ? 2010 LIGHTSPEED MEDIA | ALL RIGHTS RESERVED |

And I ask myself, what is copyrighted? The web page? That doesn't state that the mdeia is copyrighted or it's illegal to upload one of the movies to a bt site...

In fact, it should be expressely written whether it's legal as a member to make a copy of the movies/sites (if available as site downloads) onto permanent media like HDs or DVDs... Or whether you can show it to other people at eg a party at your house.


It should be an absolute minimum imo to state the limitations of media use.

I agree, but i would sugest more friedly than that. If i read that it would mean nothing except legal waffel.

But if you have somthing simple as 'you may download to your pc but not share the content or repost' i think thats simpler to understand.

i think some people even think they are helping by re-posting.

the problem is they see one person do it so presume its ok to do so.

its a bit like litter, if there is some on the floor, others just throw rubbish away too.

[Django]

Count me in
ICQ: 604816515

[borked]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

I agree, but i would sugest more friedly than that. If i read that it would mean nothing except legal waffel.

But if you have somthing simple as 'you may download to your pc but not share the content or repost' i think thats simpler to understand.

Originally Posted by borked

In fact, it should be expressely written whether it's legal as a member to make a copy of the movies/sites (if available as site downloads) onto permanent media like HDs or DVDs... Or whether you can show it to other people at eg a party at your house.

I don't see how what I suggested is waffle - write it however you want, but if you don't write it (and have the text linked to) then you really don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to court and the defence says "But, your Honour, there was nowhere on the site that stated the content that my client uploaded to the torrent site was protected by law against redistribution."

Waffle or not.

[Randy West]

Originally Posted by borked

I think that at the very least there should be a load of text linked to in the footer explaining this content is subject to copyright restrictions and it is illegal to distribute it, copy it etc etc.

You know like you see on all DVDs and CDs.

All I see is for example:
| COPYRIGHT ? 2010 LIGHTSPEED MEDIA | ALL RIGHTS RESERVED |

And I ask myself, what is copyrighted? The web page? That doesn't state that the mdeia is copyrighted or it's illegal to upload one of the movies to a bt site...

In fact, it should be expressely written whether it's legal as a member to make a copy of the movies/sites (if available as site downloads) onto permanent media like HDs or DVDs... Or whether you can show it to other people at eg a party at your house.


It should be an absolute minimum imo to state the limitations of media use.

If you are going to completely take that route, why not make sure that it is understood that it is completely ILLEGAL to make a DVD or permanent copy of said content. Make sure that it is absolutely clear that said content not be shown in a venue other than for the sole buyer's personal entertainment and any other usage of said content only be used under expressed written consent? All violations hereforth will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? FBI Piracy warning? Like on a DVD? Maybe?

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by borked

I don't see what I suggested is waffle - write it however you want, but if you don't write it (and have the text linked to) then you really don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to court and the defence says "But, your Honour, there was nowhere on the site that stated the content that my client uploaded to the torrent site was protected by law for redistribution."

Waffle or not.

i think you can have both. have the legal to cover your back.

but also have plain english to make it easy to understand.

at the end of the day its easer to put people off than to go to court.

its also nice for the member to be told in a friendly way. if i joined a site and all i could read was legall stuff it would put me off the site. but if it was in a nice way it would warm me to the site, plus i would feel if i spotted pirated content i would report it.

[sweetcuties]

Other webmasters don't give a shit, I've emailed several webmsters over the years... 90% of them don't respond back or even say thanks, I appreciate it

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Randy West

If you are going to completely take that route, why not make sure that it is understood that it is completely ILLEGAL to make a DVD or permanent copy of said content. Make sure that it is absolutely clear that said content not be shown in a venue other than for the sole buyer's personal entertainment and any other usage of said content only be used under expressed written consent? All violations hereforth will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? FBI Piracy warning? Like on a DVD? Maybe?

one thought could be, somthing we could all use.

i was thinking that when somone enters your site you have to watch a pop up flash film that says that. like on a dvd your forced to watch that at the start each time.

then once you have seen it you click to say you agree or not. if not the site shuts down. but if you agree it goes to the content.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by sweetcuties

Other webmasters don't give a shit, I've emailed several webmsters over the years... 90% of them don't respond back or even say thanks, I appreciate it

i wonder if they just buy content.

i bet those who buy do not care. but those who shoot there own i bet do care.

[DVTimes]

Another thought is that when people sign up they get sent an email saying please do not steal content or re-post it.

[Randy West]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Another thought is that when people sign up they get sent an email saying please do not steal content or re-post it.

Because please works so well in real life, I am sure it will just overwhelm the buyer with love when.... getting an email?

[borked]

Originally Posted by Randy West

If you are going to completely take that route, why not make sure that it is understood that it is completely ILLEGAL to make a DVD or permanent copy of said content. Make sure that it is absolutely clear that said content not be shown in a venue other than for the sole buyer's personal entertainment and any other usage of said content only be used under expressed written consent? All violations hereforth will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? FBI Piracy warning? Like on a DVD? Maybe?

haha - yeah, you missed my frustration in that post....

which was the fact that *nothing* is shown on the vast majority of sites (I've yet to see one), and yet some are willing to send out letters from lawyers demanding $xxx or go to court.


--edit
to clarify - if you don't state your content should not be re-distributed, how can you demand compensation from someone doing so?

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Randy West

Because please works so well in real life, I am sure it will just overwhelm the buyer with love when.... getting an email?

I think a friendy email can make a difference.

At the end of the day it costs nothing to do and I think it could be used as a selling tool.

I think it would be nice.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by borked

haha - yeah, you missed my frustration in that post....

which was the fact that *nothing* is shown on the vast majority of sites (I've yet to see one), and yet some are willing to send out letters from lawyers demanding $xxx or go to court.


--edit
to clarify - if you don't state your content should not be re-distributed, how can you demand compensation from someone doing so?

true.

i think to be honest people presume they can re-post.

two years ago one of my mates wanted to set up a pay site. he had 80gig hardrive of porn he had downloaded from websiteas and the net. he thought it was ok to use it to set up a paysite.

i had to tell him it was wrong.

the thing is i suspect thgats how many people think.

i think 'we' presume people know its wrong.

[Argos88]

That's very stupid,man... They don't care about anything..

The only thing they care is getting paid by rapid clones, like oron or sharingmatrix 15 bucks for every 1000 downloads.. nothing else.

Going after these little guys is useless and waste of time for anyone.


YOU MUST GO AFTER THE OWNERS OF THE RAPID CLONES, THE FORUMS AND THE TORRENTS...


But anyway.. don't listen to me.. go after these guys, lose your time and gain nothing...

You will gain absolutely nothing, and lose money and time, simple as that.

I really wonder why you don't after the OWNERS... Are you scared of them? Or what? Just wondering....

The OWNERS OF THE SITES HOSTING YOUR CONTENT are the problem..

Not these little guys... it is so obvious, man... I really can't believe you don't see the picture, it is so obvious.

Good luck trying to report 300,000 users downloading and posting content, RATHER THAN 5 BIG GUYS that own the pirate sites...

Oh, did you know BLOCKBUSTER FILLED for BANKRUPTCY last week? And that MGM is broken after 90 years in the market? There must be a very good reason.

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[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Argos88

That's very stupid,man... They don't care about anything..

The only thing they care is getting paid by rapid clones, like oron or sharingmatrix 15 bucks for every 1000 downloads.. nothing else.

Going after these little guys is useless and waste of time for anyone.


YOU MUST GO AFTER THE OWNERS OF THE RAPID CLONES, THE FORUMS AND THE TORRENTS...


But anyway.. don't listen to me.. go after these guys, lose your time and gain nothing...

You will gain absolutely nothing, and lose money and time, simple as that.

I really wonder why you don't after the OWNERS... Are you scared of them? Or what? Just wondering....

The OWNERS OF THE SITES HOSTING YOUR CONTENT are the problem..

Not these little guys... it is so obvious, man... I really can't believe you don't see the picture, it is so obvious.

Good luck trying to report 300,000 users downloading and posting content, RATHER THAN 5 BIG GUYS that own the pirate sites...

Oh, did you know BLOCKBUSTER FILLED for BANKRUPTCY last week? And that MGM is broken after 90 years in the market? There must be a very good reason.

.

they can only have content if somone uploads it.

if you can put people off from uploading then it will help.

i am simply sugesting eways to put some people off.

more ways you go after them the better.

as you say you can try to go after the hosting firm.

go after them from every angle you can.

[DVTimes]

ps

thats blockbusters in the usa that filed for bancrupsy.

the one in the uk is fine.

[Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Brilliant.

[Helix]

take away their boats.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

1. rather simple but easy. just put at the bottom of your website pages that members must not share passwords or content. that if they do then its a fine of $1000 or somthing.

I suspect a lot who re-post content think if they are members then they can do this. tell them not to and it should put a lot off.

2. offer a reward. offer a reward to anyone reporting pirated content. let others do the work to find your content rather than spend all day doing it or even paying others to do it.

3. club together. set up a newsletter for other webmasters. if you find pirated sites, inforn other webmasters. make it so a pirate site cannot last on the net.

4. change your rules. mqake it part of your rules that affiliates are not alowed to run sites containing pirated content. many illigall tube sites makes money from such as dating sites. most of those dating site owners are on this site. so if you find sites making cash from dating sites - report them. and if they keep paying then we should expose them on such as this forum, and refuse to promote them.

Trust me when I say this wont work. I know a thing or two about this.
noble ideas though
duke

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by dvtimes

some ways to stop pirates.

ninjas...

[harvey]

[Mr. Cool Ice]

Don't worry, Manwin, Top Bucks and the Free Speech Coalition will save us all from piracy.

[Sarah_Jayne]

#1 reminds me of in the early days when people would put the 'as far as we know all the photos we have stolen to make this gallery are public domain' message at the bottom of the page and thought it would count.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

By the way a reward could simply be a month or so on your site.

Or you could have the reward given if it leads to a conviction. Ie, if you manage to sue a site, then you could give 10% as a reward.

Wondered how long it would take till people worked that one out.

Originally Posted by Argos88

That's very stupid,man... They don't care about anything..

The only thing they care is getting paid by rapid clones, like oron or sharingmatrix 15 bucks for every 1000 downloads.. nothing else.

Going after these little guys is useless and waste of time for anyone.


YOU MUST GO AFTER THE OWNERS OF THE RAPID CLONES, THE FORUMS AND THE TORRENTS...


But anyway.. don't listen to me.. go after these guys, lose your time and gain nothing...

You will gain absolutely nothing, and lose money and time, simple as that.

I really wonder why you don't after the OWNERS... Are you scared of them? Or what? Just wondering....

The OWNERS OF THE SITES HOSTING YOUR CONTENT are the problem..

Not these little guys... it is so obvious, man... I really can't believe you don't see the picture, it is so obvious.

Good luck trying to report 300,000 users downloading and posting content, RATHER THAN 5 BIG GUYS that own the pirate sites...

Oh, did you know BLOCKBUSTER FILLED for BANKRUPTCY last week? And that MGM is broken after 90 years in the market? There must be a very good reason.

.

So where have you been living that you don't know about the problems of going after the big guys, DMCA laws and the cases that have been pursued?

[Paul Markham]

Adam has some good ideas. Here's some more.

Links to news articles telling people about the action being taken against pirates. And the cases pirates are losing.

Tell members about how paid dating sites are mostly a rip off. Tell them about free ones.

Install Strongbox to stop password trading.

This fight has to be taken on at many levels. Or many in this business will be gone.

[DVTimes]

the thing is we need to work together on this.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

they can only have content if somone uploads it.

aeckz

(maybe a reference you don't understand)

[DVTimes]

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[DVTimes]

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[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

the thing is we need to work together on this.

Here is a simple solution for everyone who want to participate in the war on piracy: go to pornbb.org or any other board you like, click any thread (the bigger the better), find out what program's stuff is being stolen there and send them the link.

You can do the same with torrents or even tubes. Just go on and report everything that you recognize to the copyright holders until you're tired.

If enough people will do that on a regular basic, that can make a difference.