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quiet · 10-17-2010, 09:50 AM

i thought it was a pretty lame idea when they first started it (and in some ways, still do), but it seems to have changed the landscape of GFY a bit. kind of cool. not nearly as much trolling. i doubt that will last. sort of an interesting social experiment.

Scott McD · 10-17-2010, 09:52 AM

True, but i'm still confused as to why it actually matters lol.

Still, if it helps, it helps...

Amputate Your Head · 10-17-2010, 09:59 AM

i don't really understand it's purpose either, but then I don't understand half of the things they do around here.

Rankings · 10-17-2010, 10:00 AM

just another "Time" filler

quiet · 10-17-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 2bet

just another "Time" filler

you're almost at 10K posts. hurry up, and rep me ;)

potter · 10-17-2010, 10:03 AM

just another tool to let people estroke each other. i'll pass.

Profits of Doom · 10-17-2010, 10:06 AM

I think what they really need on here in addition to the rep is an "iTrader" feature similar to what DP and the other mainstream webmaster forums have. There are people on here everyday that have services I might be interested in purchasing, but when they have no track record I can't bring myself to pull the trigger. The iTrader can be manipulated just like the rep, but people that have hundreds of positive iTrader transactions would be way more likely to get my business...

Forkbeard · 10-17-2010, 10:06 AM

I still don't understand the reasoning behind the allocation of the power to rep people. I'm kinda proud of the fact that I'll never make 10,000 posts because I'm not a bot or a sig whore and I only speak up when I have something to say, but I think my opinion on this board carries as much weight as many of the "colored names" who got that way through shitposting. So why are they the ones doling out the reputations? I don't understand the point, really. It sorta seems like it would make more sense if the old-timers who aren't high-volume posters ought to be part of the system, if the system is to be anything but worthless.

quiet · 10-17-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

I still don't understand the reasoning behind the allocation of the power to rep people. I'm kinda proud of the fact that I'll never make 10,000 posts because I'm not a bot or a sig whore and I only speak up when I have something to say, but I think my opinion on this board carries as much weight as many of the "colored names" who got that way through shitposting. So why are they the ones doling out the reputations? I don't understand the point, really. It sorta seems like it would make more sense if the old-timers who aren't high-volume posters ought to be part of the system, if the system is to be anything but worthless.

yeah, i agree as well. it could be more date based than post based. yet another social experiment.

Agent 488 · 10-17-2010, 10:09 AM

i give my rep to trolls mostly so who knows if it means anything in the end.

Rankings · 10-17-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet

you're almost at 10K posts. hurry up, and rep me ;)

Roald · 10-17-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

I still don't understand the reasoning behind the allocation of the power to rep people. I'm kinda proud of the fact that I'll never make 10,000 posts because I'm not a bot or a sig whore and I only speak up when I have something to say, but I think my opinion on this board carries as much weight as many of the "colored names" who got that way through shitposting. So why are they the ones doling out the reputations? I don't understand the point, really. It sorta seems like it would make more sense if the old-timers who aren't high-volume posters ought to be part of the system, if the system is to be anything but worthless.

CaptainHowdy · 10-17-2010, 10:19 AM

I agree, it's something to do...

JustDaveXxx · 10-17-2010, 10:35 AM

Its kind of funny, but i notice a lot less trolling and fighting over stupid shit.

Im guessing the true trolls will be painted in red over time. Don't know for sure, just my guess.

We will see. Time will tell.

topsiteking · 10-17-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

I think what they really need on here in addition to the rep is an "iTrader" feature similar to what DP and the other mainstream webmaster forums have. There are people on here everyday that have services I might be interested in purchasing, but when they have no track record I can't bring myself to pull the trigger. The iTrader can be manipulated just like the rep, but people that have hundreds of positive iTrader transactions would be way more likely to get my business...

Agree 100%.

2intense · 10-17-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by potter

just another tool to let people estroke each other. i'll pass.

ottopottomouse · 10-17-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

I think what they really need on here in addition to the rep is an "iTrader" feature similar to what DP and the other mainstream webmaster forums have. There are people on here everyday that have services I might be interested in purchasing, but when they have no track record I can't bring myself to pull the trigger. The iTrader can be manipulated just like the rep, but people that have hundreds of positive iTrader transactions would be way more likely to get my business...

iTrader on DP gets manipulated like crazy.

alias · 10-17-2010, 01:50 PM

I like it.

cherrylula · 10-17-2010, 02:10 PM

yeah I kind of like it too, seems some people shut the fuck up now.

but there are still plenty of psycho asshole losers on this board, lol

borked · 10-17-2010, 02:18 PM

At first, I was frustrated at the 10k post thing to be able to give rep. Then I was totally disappointed to find out how it was being abused (it was to be expected really).

However, because of all that, it makes me notice" regular nicks more that I've never read before. The "real" people that have interesting things to say... a breath of fresh air

The Duck · 10-17-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

I think what they really need on here in addition to the rep is an "iTrader" feature similar to what DP and the other mainstream webmaster forums have. There are people on here everyday that have services I might be interested in purchasing, but when they have no track record I can't bring myself to pull the trigger. The iTrader can be manipulated just like the rep, but people that have hundreds of positive iTrader transactions would be way more likely to get my business...

Excellent idea. I love the iTrader function on DP.

AaronM · 10-17-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by potter

just another tool to let people estroke each other. i'll pass.

Ditto.

If anything, it will make me post less.

AaronM · 10-17-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

I still don't understand the reasoning behind the allocation of the power to rep people. I'm kinda proud of the fact that I'll never make 10,000 posts because I'm not a bot or a sig whore and I only speak up when I have something to say, but I think my opinion on this board carries as much weight as many of the "colored names" who got that way through shitposting. So why are they the ones doling out the reputations? I don't understand the point, really. It sorta seems like it would make more sense if the old-timers who aren't high-volume posters ought to be part of the system, if the system is to be anything but worthless.

Exactly.

Moose · 10-17-2010, 02:45 PM

Its stupid, it should be based off of time here or something besides post whoring, im sure some etard who posts 100 times a day will give me a negative rep for this.

directfiesta · 10-17-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

At first, I was frustrated at the 10k post thing to be able to give rep. Then I was totally disappointed to find out how it was being abused (it was to be expected really).

However, because of all that, it makes me notice" regular nicks more that I've never read before. The "real" people that have interesting things to say... a breath of fresh air

no comment

stocktrader23 · 10-17-2010, 02:50 PM

It's a weird setup here. On other forums where you actually have feedback on sales reputation is another factor to consider making it more important. I've also seen implementations where to leave someone a negative red you would also lose some rep points, this cut out all the trade for rep posts.

I don't care either way, just think it's funny to see a negative rep pop up when I piss someone off.

Mutt · 10-17-2010, 03:20 PM

i think it's lame - GFY's success was built on being anti-establishment and irreverent.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 10-17-2010, 03:25 PM

iTrader makes sense, Rep does not.

NOW REP ME CUNTS!

alias · 10-17-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i think it's lame - GFY's success was built on being anti-establishment and irreverent.

That's why rep is getting gamed so hard dude.

quiet · 10-17-2010, 03:49 PM

repper madness.

stocktrader23 · 10-17-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet

repper madness.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tJbktQXbHsM#t=0m54s

TDF · 10-17-2010, 04:25 PM

all i see is trolls with a ton of rep..i don't see how that cleans up the board

Adam_M · 10-17-2010, 04:25 PM

I would like to see it changed so people who have been a member for 6 or 7 years get the power to rep. I don't think post count should really count for anything

Klen · 10-17-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

I think what they really need on here in addition to the rep is an "iTrader" feature similar to what DP and the other mainstream webmaster forums have. There are people on here everyday that have services I might be interested in purchasing, but when they have no track record I can't bring myself to pull the trigger. The iTrader can be manipulated just like the rep, but people that have hundreds of positive iTrader transactions would be way more likely to get my business...

I been scammed for 1500$ on DP from person with itrader 60,therefore itrader is useless.

loreen · 10-17-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

iTrader on DP gets manipulated like crazy.

True that

Nikki_Licks · 10-17-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i think it's lame - GFY's success was built on being anti-establishment and irreverent.

Would have to kinda agree with you on this......

Jayvis · 10-17-2010, 04:58 PM

I agree with Adam on the post count thing... I think it also needs to develop the same set of "rules" things like Karma over at Reddit adopted and it could be good (ie not neg. repping someone just because you disagree).

alias · 10-17-2010, 05:11 PM

Once affiliate reps start getting negative reps for too much spam it should be fun to watch.

Achmed's Wife Halimah · 10-17-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Once affiliate reps start getting negative reps for too much spam it should be fun to watch.

Do you pay to advertise your banner up here? thought so

Profits of Doom · 10-17-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I been scammed for 1500$ on DP from person with itrader 60,therefore itrader is useless.

It's meant to be another tool in deciding if someone is credible or not, not a be all end all if you can trust them, so it's far from useless. It's not that hard to look through someone's iTrader and see the people that left them positives and their comments and reputations. If a bunch of anonymous posters with 1 or no iTrader are leaving him the positives then that is a red flag. It sucks that you got scammed, but people get scammed every day by otherwise reputable people that are just starting to fall apart, and you never know if you are dealing with someone with a solid rep that is just starting his downward slide...

bhutocracy · 10-17-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

I still don't understand the reasoning behind the allocation of the power to rep people. I'm kinda proud of the fact that I'll never make 10,000 posts because I'm not a bot or a sig whore and I only speak up when I have something to say, but I think my opinion on this board carries as much weight as many of the "colored names" who got that way through shitposting. So why are they the ones doling out the reputations? I don't understand the point, really. It sorta seems like it would make more sense if the old-timers who aren't high-volume posters ought to be part of the system, if the system is to be anything but worthless.

It would be a partial bro circle jerk any which way it was implemented, but yeah giving sigwhores, surfers and bots the power to rep is probably why I see many people I wouldn't take advice on what time of day it is with high reps. Just a bit of fun I guess to help create a few more posts and board dynamics. I don't for a second think it will change anything though.. Since when do trolls not want negative attention?

JFK · 10-17-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by potter

just another tool to let people estroke each other. i'll pass.

You'll have to , you have a ways to go yet ;)

alias · 10-17-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Achmed's Wife Halimah

Do you pay to advertise your banner up here? thought so

Beatings for you, I told achmed you pakistani street dog. Never look at me again or I will beat you myself.

Vjo · 10-17-2010, 07:31 PM

I'll take the business and traffic I have built up by working off the boards most of the last 10 years.

I know 9 green icons doesn buy me shit. My traffic and experience from working off the boards does.

Most of the players in this biz have way less than 10,000 posts.

So is this board about biz or about post count? Seem its is mostly about post count since this silly rep thing.

But whatever, everyone has 9 greens. Now what?

Spunky · 10-17-2010, 07:35 PM

I think 11 is the max,sooner or later everybody will have the max

harvey · 10-17-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i think it's lame - GFY's success was built on being anti-establishment and irreverent.

Vjo · 10-17-2010, 08:00 PM

edit: double post, blame it on firefox

Vjo · 10-17-2010, 08:01 PM

They should give you guys who post here so many $$$ per 10,000 posts not green icons. Fact is you high posters do make GFY.

I've looked at (life and) the board from "both sides" (FFvB) and without all the "characters" and lets just say it isnt as good. (Joni Mitchell ref had to throw in)

Frankly I think they are just giving you something. It isnt worth a damn and it and 5000 hits MAY get you a sup.

In a way I am most dissapointed in GFY for creating a "click" that now "monitors" and gives rep based on some willy nilly reasoning and thinks it means anything.

Wait, OK now it makes perfect sense. This is GFY lol Does anything make sense?

I guess I am supposed to "seek the click" and gain rep so I am not outcast as only a wm who earns a living as a porn afil (dieing breed) and not someone with mundo green after my name.
It's ok green is cool. My fav color.

But WOULD you want the old cat after 13 years in the trenches to start sugar coating it because someone will get oiffended and red me.

sigh it is all so stupid.

And fuck you agent488 I'll

all I fucking want a-hole.

If I posted 80,000 times it would be important to me too.

And fuck the other dipshit who red'd me.

I like red.

Red me up assholes.

You know if you green me I'll love you for life though. But you got to mean it.

Noone gave me one green after all my good music threads. Damn. I am so out of time, out of touch

SallyRand · 10-17-2010, 08:06 PM

Rep is all based on Wild Things......................

GetSCORECash · 10-17-2010, 08:09 PM

The bumpers have power now! When will they charge to rep?

10-17-2010, 09:50 AM	#1
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	The Rep Thing i thought it was a pretty lame idea when they first started it (and in some ways, still do), but it seems to have changed the landscape of GFY a bit. kind of cool. not nearly as much trolling. i doubt that will last. sort of an interesting social experiment.

10-17-2010, 09:52 AM	#2
Scott McD Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 67,795	True, but i'm still confused as to why it actually matters lol. Still, if it helps, it helps... __________________ I Buy My High Quality Traffic Here, You Should Too!

10-17-2010, 09:59 AM	#3
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	i don't really understand it's purpose either, but then I don't understand half of the things they do around here. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

10-17-2010, 10:00 AM	#4
Rankings Adult SEO Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: A cat with three legs cannot bury shit in a frozen pond. In addition to that, can you cry underwater? Posts: 10,633	just another "Time" filler __________________ Your leader for Adult SEO Services 19+ Years Serving the Adult/SEO Industry ICQ: 610-814 Skype: xratedseo

10-17-2010, 10:03 AM	#6
potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	just another tool to let people estroke each other. i'll pass. __________________

10-17-2010, 10:06 AM	#7
Profits of Doom Monster Rain Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mongo Posts: 4,978	I think what they really need on here in addition to the rep is an "iTrader" feature similar to what DP and the other mainstream webmaster forums have. There are people on here everyday that have services I might be interested in purchasing, but when they have no track record I can't bring myself to pull the trigger. The iTrader can be manipulated just like the rep, but people that have hundreds of positive iTrader transactions would be way more likely to get my business... __________________ “My Free Cams Affiliate Program by CrakRevenue”

10-17-2010, 10:06 AM	#8
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	I still don't understand the reasoning behind the allocation of the power to rep people. I'm kinda proud of the fact that I'll never make 10,000 posts because I'm not a bot or a sig whore and I only speak up when I have something to say, but I think my opinion on this board carries as much weight as many of the "colored names" who got that way through shitposting. So why are they the ones doling out the reputations? I don't understand the point, really. It sorta seems like it would make more sense if the old-timers who aren't high-volume posters ought to be part of the system, if the system is to be anything but worthless. __________________ Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.

10-17-2010, 10:09 AM	#10
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	i give my rep to trolls mostly so who knows if it means anything in the end.

10-17-2010, 10:19 AM	#13
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 92,993	I agree, it's something to do... __________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!

10-17-2010, 10:35 AM	#14
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10-17-2010, 01:50 PM	#18
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	I like it. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

10-17-2010, 02:10 PM	#19
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	yeah I kind of like it too, seems some people shut the fuck up now. but there are still plenty of psycho asshole losers on this board, lol

10-17-2010, 02:18 PM	#20
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	At first, I was frustrated at the 10k post thing to be able to give rep. Then I was totally disappointed to find out how it was being abused (it was to be expected really). However, because of all that, it makes me notice" regular nicks more that I've never read before. The "real" people that have interesting things to say... a breath of fresh air __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202 Last edited by borked; 10-17-2010 at 02:23 PM..

10-17-2010, 02:45 PM	#24
Moose Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Here Posts: 1,548	Its stupid, it should be based off of time here or something besides post whoring, im sure some etard who posts 100 times a day will give me a negative rep for this.

10-17-2010, 02:50 PM	#26
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	It's a weird setup here. On other forums where you actually have feedback on sales reputation is another factor to consider making it more important. I've also seen implementations where to leave someone a negative red you would also lose some rep points, this cut out all the trade for rep posts. I don't care either way, just think it's funny to see a negative rep pop up when I piss someone off. __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

10-17-2010, 03:20 PM	#27
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i think it's lame - GFY's success was built on being anti-establishment and irreverent. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-17-2010, 03:25 PM	#28
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	iTrader makes sense, Rep does not. NOW REP ME CUNTS!

10-17-2010, 03:49 PM	#30
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	repper madness.

10-17-2010, 04:25 PM	#32
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	all i see is trolls with a ton of rep..i don't see how that cleans up the board __________________ Sig heil

10-17-2010, 04:25 PM	#33
Adam_M Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 3,796	I would like to see it changed so people who have been a member for 6 or 7 years get the power to rep. I don't think post count should really count for anything __________________ DiscountedPorn.Com ReviewedPorn.com

10-17-2010, 04:58 PM	#37
Jayvis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 5,427	I agree with Adam on the post count thing... I think it also needs to develop the same set of "rules" things like Karma over at Reddit adopted and it could be good (ie not neg. repping someone just because you disagree).

10-17-2010, 05:11 PM	#38
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Once affiliate reps start getting negative reps for too much spam it should be fun to watch. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

10-17-2010, 07:31 PM	#44
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	I'll take the business and traffic I have built up by working off the boards most of the last 10 years. I know 9 green icons doesn buy me shit. My traffic and experience from working off the boards does. Most of the players in this biz have way less than 10,000 posts. So is this board about biz or about post count? Seem its is mostly about post count since this silly rep thing. But whatever, everyone has 9 greens. Now what?

10-17-2010, 07:35 PM	#45
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,919	I think 11 is the max,sooner or later everybody will have the max __________________ *Skype : Spunky GFY*

10-17-2010, 08:00 PM	#47
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	edit: double post, blame it on firefox Last edited by Vjo; 10-17-2010 at 08:10 PM..

10-17-2010, 08:01 PM	#48
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	They should give you guys who post here so many $$$ per 10,000 posts not green icons. Fact is you high posters do make GFY. I've looked at (life and) the board from "both sides" (FFvB) and without all the "characters" and lets just say it isnt as good. (Joni Mitchell ref had to throw in) Frankly I think they are just giving you something. It isnt worth a damn and it and 5000 hits MAY get you a sup. In a way I am most dissapointed in GFY for creating a "click" that now "monitors" and gives rep based on some willy nilly reasoning and thinks it means anything. Wait, OK now it makes perfect sense. This is GFY lol Does anything make sense? I guess I am supposed to "seek the click" and gain rep so I am not outcast as only a wm who earns a living as a porn afil (dieing breed) and not someone with mundo green after my name. It's ok green is cool. My fav color. But WOULD you want the old cat after 13 years in the trenches to start sugar coating it because someone will get oiffended and red me. sigh it is all so stupid. And fuck you agent488 I'll all I fucking want a-hole. If I posted 80,000 times it would be important to me too. And fuck the other dipshit who red'd me. I like red. Red me up assholes. You know if you green me I'll love you for life though. But you got to mean it. Noone gave me one green after all my good music threads. Damn. I am so out of time, out of touch Last edited by Vjo; 10-17-2010 at 08:12 PM..

10-17-2010, 08:06 PM	#49
SallyRand So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In A Galaxie Far, Far Away! Posts: 3,487	Rep is all based on Wild Things......................

10-17-2010, 08:09 PM	#50
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