Mariah Milano $10 Membership for October! - GoFuckYourself.com

mariahxxx · 10-04-2010, 01:52 PM

Hey guys...I came up with an idea over the weekend to offer full memberships for $10 for the entire month of October. For one I wanted to get to the next goal I have for number of members and secondly I want to test and see if price matters at all to surfers. In the past I had increases in signups when I raised my monthly from $24 to $29 and I still get at least 3 or 4 $49.95 1 month non recurring signups a day which baffles me. but i think it says that porn customers (I purposely used the word customer instead of surfer!) are more aware of recurring memberships and will pay double to avoid the hassle of cancelling. The big message that sends to me is that there needs to be a strategy shift on our parts so I'm gonna test this $10 membership out. So far since I changed it around noon I have 37 signups for $10. I usually average between 35 and 40 signups a day at $24.92 so I'm a little ahead of the average but not by much. so far only 2 of the 37 have cancelled which was my biggest concern that I would get a bunch of signups that cancelled immediately like they used to on trials before I went to a limited trial.

What are your thoughts on this idea? Has anyone else tried this to see how it goes and if so what were the results? I've gotten 3 emails so far from people asking if it's for real.

I hope things are going well

Kenny B! · 10-04-2010, 01:55 PM

Hey Jeanette how about you pay me the money you owe me?

fatfoo · 10-04-2010, 01:55 PM

I think the price does matter. If the price is lower, the quantity of signups will be higher. If the price is higher, the quantity of signups will be lower. You must choose the price at which your revenue is maximized. Revenue = price x quantity of signups.

signupdamnit · 10-04-2010, 01:59 PM

If your conversions don't at least double (actually it needs to go up by about 250%) then you will lose money by doing this.

As an affiliate a $5 commission for 1 month tends to be upsetting. I find a $20 - $30 price is about right and seldom does reducing the price from this increase conversions enough to make it worthwhile. I prefer $12-$15+ for each monthly sale and try to promote sponsors who give me that.

You'll have to see what works best for you.

mariahxxx · 10-04-2010, 01:59 PM

hey Kenny I'd spend more time on getting some of those sites some traffic instead of trying to shit on me to get me to pay you money your fucking friend scammed me out of. you want $200 when you got me to send traffic to your piece of shit friend who still owes me nearly $4k??? and lie about it saying I said I have a special needs child...you have a special needs program dick head.

Kenny B! · 10-04-2010, 01:59 PM

Don't expect to be paid as an affiliate, Mariah does not pay!

DO NOT promote her, she is a liar and a cheat!

mariahxxx · 10-04-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

If your conversions don't at least double (actually it needs to go up by about 250%) then you will lose money by doing this.

As an affiliate a $5 commission for 1 month tends to be upsetting. I find a $20 - $30 price is about right and seldom does reducing the price from this increase conversions enough to make it worthwhile.

yeah but if an affiliate pumps more traffic and gets more sales, won't that workout for them regardless of the per signup amount? it becomes a quantity issue at that point does it not? working on a smaller margin, yes.

Kenny B! · 10-04-2010, 02:02 PM

What? I referred you to a cam program, one owned by Gamma, they never screwed anyone.

I never worked there or promoted them with a ref code. You borrowed money from me way after your issue with them, pay me!

mariahxxx · 10-04-2010, 02:03 PM

you're so full of shit. they screwed plenty of people. They owed me almost $4k and on the morning of payout they decided to say that my customer charged back (even though on GG&J their rep posted that they eat all chargebacks!) and after that I continued to get emails saying that I was sending sales. He was YOUR friend, Karl Hamilton and GG&J pulled all his ads because I wasn't the first it had happened to. You referred me and I used your name when I created the account so I would imagine you got something out of it.

erooup · 10-04-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Don't expect to be paid as an affiliate, Mariah does not pay!

DO NOT promote her, she is a liar and a cheat!

Will you call her "top-notch" if she buys you lunch?

Kenny B! · 10-04-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mariahxxx

you're so full of shit.

I Jeanette *blank* am borrowing $200 from Ken Bramon and will repay in full the amount within 45 days. This is a loan only, and in good faith was given to be by Mr. Bramon to assist in expenses.

I swear this to be an accurate account of information and detail and have digitally signed this document and am emailing it to Mr. Bramon as well.

Signed July 11, 2006

Jeanette R. *blank*

loreen · 10-04-2010, 02:08 PM

Bump for a super sexy lady

Wizzo · 10-04-2010, 02:09 PM

Good luck with the promo, it could do very well for you!

signupdamnit · 10-04-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mariahxxx

yeah but if an affiliate pumps more traffic and gets more sales, won't that workout for them regardless of the per signup amount? it becomes a quantity issue at that point does it not? working on a smaller margin, yes.

Say conversions are 1:1,000 @ $25 (50% commission = $12.50)
So I send 5,000 hits and earn $12.50 * 5 = $62.50

If you change the price to $10 ($5 commission), then conversions need to be 1:400 or better for me to earn the same amount of money from 5,000 hits. This isn't accounting for rebills so you might just say that if the conversions don't double then it'll be less money.

Kenny B! · 10-04-2010, 02:10 PM

Since 2006, you haven't paid me a dime of the $200. Why would affiliates expect you to pay them?

And don't give me the bull shit that I referred you to Live Bucks and they fucked you. You asked me who I promoted back then and I told you. That's it, that's all.

Then you needed money and I was dumb enough to lend it to you. Stupid me, but that doesn't give you the right to not pay me what you borrowed.

DigitalTheory · 10-04-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Don't expect to be paid as an affiliate, Mariah does not pay!

DO NOT promote her, she is a liar and a cheat!

CCBILL takes care of that payment not her...................

BestXXXPorn · 10-04-2010, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

I Jeanette *blank* am borrowing $200 from Ken Bramon and will repay in full the amount within 45 days. This is a loan only, and in good faith was given to be by Mr. Bramon to assist in expenses.

I swear this to be an accurate account of information and detail and have digitally signed this document and am emailing it to Mr. Bramon as well.

Signed July 11, 2006

Jeanette R. *blank*

Wow, you held a $200 personal loan grudge for 4 years only to spill it all over her promotion post? I could argue that the damage done to this post will cause X number affiliates to NOT promote her sites and bring in Y subs. That value, obviously, could range anywhere from $0 - $thousands... Are you even now?

Unless you're playing by IRS rules in which case that $200 is probably closer to $250k after fees and interest, LOL

Kenny B! · 10-04-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DigitalTheory

CCBILL takes care of that payment not her...................

Touche! Good thing because she's a scammer. I just don't get why anyone would try and screw someone over for $200.

BestXXXPorn · 10-04-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Touche! Good thing because she's a scammer. I just don't get why anyone would try and screw someone over for $200.

I'm not sure not paying back a $200 loan qualifies as someone being a "scammer", LOL

2intense · 10-04-2010, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Don't expect to be paid as an affiliate, Mariah does not pay!

DO NOT promote her, she is a liar and a cheat!

proof or BAN

Kenny B! · 10-04-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

Wow, you held a $200 personal loan grudge for 4 years only to spill it all over her promotion post? I could argue that the damage done to this post will cause X number affiliates to NOT promote her sites and bring in Y subs. That value, obviously, could range anywhere from $0 - $thousands... Are you even now?

Unless you're playing by IRS rules in which case that $200 is probably closer to $250k after fees and interest, LOL

We'll be even when I get my $200, no fees and interest just the amount I lent her.

If this hurts her business then great, she doesn't deserve the trust or traffic when she doesn't pay what is owed to people.

Kenny B! · 10-04-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 2intense

proof or BAN

#1 - I posted the IOU she sent me when I lent her the money.... read the posts.

#2 - Your sig has a link to livebucks, they happen to be the people she claims screwed her for $4k. do you promote scammers? i didn't think so.

2intense · 10-04-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny B!

#2 - Your sig has a link to livebucks, they happen to be the people she claims screwed her for $4k. do you promote scammers? i didn't think so.

scammers ? no,just livebucks

.I have not heard anything bad about them yet

BestXXXPorn · 10-04-2010, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

We'll be even when I get my $200, no fees and interest just the amount I lent her.

If this hurts her business then great, she doesn't deserve the trust or traffic when she doesn't pay what is owed to people.

My point is that it's a personal loan, it doesn't effect her business or her post and should be kept out of the forums, specifically when it directly impacts her ability to actually DO business.

I understand you want your $200 back but, to me, it looks unprofessional and cheap. It would be a bit different if we were talking $20k or if the monies were in relation to any sort of business matter, but it's neither of these.

DigitalTheory · 10-04-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

My point is that it's a personal loan, it doesn't effect her business or her post and should be kept out of the forums, specifically when it directly impacts her ability to actually DO business.

I understand you want your $200 back but, to me, it looks unprofessional and cheap. It would be a bit different if we were talking $20k or if the monies were in relation to any sort of business matter, but it's neither of these.

Exactly this.

mariahxxx · 10-04-2010, 02:54 PM

i guess when your program has no traffic then you hold onto a $200 grudge since 2006 lol I can link you to the post on GG&J where their rep stated clearly that they eat all charge backs because they have great faith in their scrubbing. it was just funny that the day of payouts is when they decided to create the charge backs. I asked for a month for them to show me the proof of charge backs and they said they were not required to. I was told my account had been cancelled and Karl stopped replying to me yet I continued to get email notifications daily that sales were being made by my referring link and at the EXACT same rate that they were prior to the claim of charge backs? very suspicious to me. oh well, I wrote it off because I can afford to and $4k isn't worth crying over....maybe Mr. B should do the same over his claim of me owing him $200 since 2006 lol

mariahxxx · 10-04-2010, 02:58 PM

and furthermore while I'm thinking of it, people on other boards knock GFY for this exact reason. That the people here are more for gossip than business. this was a business minded thread and Mr B has to throw his nonsense into it and steer the thread away from business and toward bullshit. traffic Kenny, traffic!

Qbert · 10-04-2010, 03:07 PM

So, you're saying you don't owe him the $200 because a third party stiffed you for $4k and he was the one that recommended them? Seems like rather fuzzy logic to me, or more like grasping for an excuse to justify not paying back the $200.

Just pay the $200 and be done with it. I have a hunch it will be far more costly in the long run if you don't.

As for the $10/mo special price, I'm far less likely as an affiliate to push traffic to a program during such a promotion. It's all about $/unique and past experience has shown that the number of sales doesn't increase anywhere close to enough to make up the difference in price.

Kenny B! · 10-04-2010, 05:30 PM

$200 or $20k it's money and it's owed, so I should forget it just because time has passed? It's not like I started a thread about it, she screwed me out of money and is posting about drumming up business, if she can't pay back a $200 what's to say she won't do it to others or should be trusted with your traffic. Nothing wrong with me posting in this thread, if it gets me paid then great, if not then at least people know more about this person.

She is saying she shouldn't pay me on the grounds a program that I have no affiliation with didn't pay her. Not only that but the company that didn't pay claimed the sales she sent were fraudulent or charged back, I don't know the details other than what she posted years ago. Chances are she defrauded them too, how many other webmasters had their accounts closed by livebucks, you guys ever read any drama about them, or me, um no, there is one common denominator here.

I edited her last name from the IOU because it can be a safety issue, I don't mean her any personal harm, I don't really care about her at all really or hold a grudge. She would never answer emails or icq, I noticed she posted a thread so here I am, all 'guilty of is having a good memory. I would like the money she borrowed, regardless of how long ago it was borrowed, it belongs to me.

Yeah yeah Mariah this is all because I can't afford to feed my children, pay my hosting bill, and have no gas in my car. If it makes you feel better my newborn twins have no diapers and my ex wife ran off with the change jar, that's why I am posting in this thread.

Just remember, you're the one who had no money and came to me, I'm the one who helped you, just to be clear.

mariahxxx · 10-04-2010, 07:57 PM

Ok enough with the drama. I'm not here for that.

So far 61 signups today, nearly double the usual daily average and it's almost 11pm. and the promo started around noon. What's interesting is I'm offering only 2 signup options. 1 month for $10 and 1 year for $99.80. I've had 7 1 year signups which I usually get maybe one or two. so the value in the deal seems to be relevant to the surfer. Immediate cancels are still less than 10 so thats good.

we'll see how tomorrow is with some added traffic I'll push from another site.

hope everyone has had a great Monday

My best friend Puma Swede just flew into town to stay with me until we fly back to LA together on the 20th so we are going to sit outside with a bottle of wine

til manana!

mariahxxx · 10-05-2010, 08:39 PM

ok from midnight to nearly midnight and I've done more than 3 times the average new signups and that's with less traffic than usual. So if it's 3 times more then I'm ahead, right? I think that lower subscription prices might be a good answer to the drop in business many people are seeing. Yes, you make less per click, but if you send more sales wouldn't it add up to more?

OMG Jim · 10-05-2010, 09:00 PM

Glad to see you testing the new price points Mariah. This has been a point of discussion among many program owners who have seen their membership numbers decline steadily over the past two years.

I think that by offering the $10 price you may be attracting new customers that may have not otherwise signed up. The real test will be in November when you go back to your regular pricing. Most programs have multiple sites in multiple niches so I think that offering a few sites at the $10 price point periodically may help stimulate some nice added sales.

Just my

worth.

mariahxxx · 10-06-2010, 05:22 AM

thanks Jim

As long as the ratio continues to so much imporved I would consider keeping it at $10 permanently. the real test will be today when my traffic increases.

have a great day!

Kenny B! · 10-06-2010, 06:08 AM

Wow all these joins pay me my $200 already if you're making so much money!

And for all of you who say I hold a grudge for $200, I'd like to see how all of you would act if Chris Mallack came back in a few years to promote something, would you just drop the fact he screwed you out of money, I think not.

Pay me!

V_RocKs · 10-06-2010, 10:22 AM

Nice to see business discussions... Don't worry, most of the people that actually get shit done look past the drama.

Kiwigirl · 10-06-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Don't expect to be paid as an affiliate, Mariah does not pay!

DO NOT promote her, she is a liar and a cheat!

I always avoid threads like this however being that I have known Mariah for quite some time (have worked with her on several occasions) and have met KennyB (who was very sweet) on a few occasions at shows over the years I do feel the need to comment on this thread.

First - If affiliates weren't paid by Mariah's cash program (www.pornstarpayday.com) then such concern would have to be taken up with 2 companies - CCbill and Epoch. Mariah does not have her own merchant account so to all of you affiliates out there, rest assure that you will ALWAYS be paid.

I don't know what the details are between both KennyB and Mariah but it is not only disrespectful but unprofessional to announce ANY models real name on a public form.
Shame on you KennyB.

Now in regards to responses posted by Mariah.....just the language used tells me it is a representative on her behalf. Mariah only uses foul language when she is being pounded with a huge cock or has some little hottie licking her sweet pussy.

In regards to the content available through PornStarPayday.com - Mariah is one of those top notch models who LOVES her job and it shows in her content. Her sites are regularly updated and she is one dirty little slut that many fall head over heels for.

Ok that's my 2 cents on this, not that it is worth anything. lol

Brad Mitchell · 10-06-2010, 06:27 PM

Jesus Chr!st is there anyone in this thread I don't host now new, old, part, full? Jim, kiwi, Mariah, clips4sale, Kenny... I don't want to discuss it, here is what is DONE.

Kenny, that debt will appear in a credit on your new Mojo account. Mariah, don't give me any grief please, it's not a conversation.

Lets do like I suggest with my 6 and 7 year olds and "turn it around"..

Back to the REAL conversation about sales and price points. Back in the day when I did a 10 price point I found suffers were too skeptical to buy, possible train of thought if something looks too good to be true it probably is. Difference here may be it's a personality site, surely much better design. I think the ultimate test is really retention. At a nice low price it's off the radar, not a stress. The ancillary opportunity to getting more members in the secure area seems to be potential for logical sale to other similar sites, monetization through member mailing, 1on1 cams, cancelled member remarking. If the numbers were evened out or ultimately greater due to retention I would personally rather have the diversity and more members to play with - let alone easily lower chargeback percentages (not that this is an issue for Mariah).

On all those notes, does anyone have feedback on how using the IPSPs named a merchant could further rev share with the original affiliate for other sales?

Brad

Kiwigirl · 10-06-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Jesus Chr!st is there anyone in this thread I don't host now new, old, part, full? Jim, kiwi, Mariah, clips4sale, Kenny... I don't want to discuss it, here is what is DONE.

Kenny, that debt will appear in a credit on your new Mojo account. Mariah, don't give me any grief please, it's not a conversation.

Lets do like I suggest with my 6 and 7 year olds and "turn it around"..

Brad

BUT DAD!

lol

And as for your IPSP query Brad......I just became educated on what the hell IPSP is....after first learning about inhibitory postsynaptic potential - also known as IPSP.

Kenny B! · 10-06-2010, 09:16 PM

You're a nice guy Brad, I do want my money but I certainly don't want it from you. Oh the part about having no money for my hosting along with the part about my wife running off with the change jar, sarcasm, we need a font for that:-)

Mariah came to me needing money, I helped her, she put me off for a while with this excuse or that then just ignored me. It's the principal, I helped her and then she just ignores me, basically stealing. So when I see her post here, and it doesn't happen often I felt the need to come in and remind her as well as let others know what type of person she is, or at the very least has been to me. Maybe I all this epass drama has gotten boring I needed to spice things up.

kiwi girl, I mentioned her first name and blocked her last, for that exact reason you mention, I don't wish anyone harm, I just want what was borrowed... fair, no?

I know this is an old debt and let's be honest I'll never see the money, she?s made that clear, the least I can do is buy myself a couple hundred bucks of entertainment. I lost a little bit more to Chris Mallack and should he pop in sometime and start a thread about a new promotion, I'm sure I'll be one of many to comment in that thread too.

As big an industry as this is, were still a small community and if you wrong someone it will get out and it should. Stealing is stealing, Mariah, Omar from site depth, Mark Womack, grim shawn, one of the many billing companies who's fucked us all at some point, the list is long and will continue to grow.

Unfortunately we deal with people who scam, cheat and steal from others. But that doesn?t change the fact and I?m sure most would agree that it would be infuriating to see people who have taken from you act as if they did nothing wrong. At least some have the decency to disappear.

The Porn Nerd · 10-06-2010, 09:33 PM

Hi Mariah! Gave MILF Mia your contact info, and sent you hers via ICQ a while back. So get in touch and maybe you two can shoot together.

I tried lower-priced Memberships, as a Sale, last Labor Day Weekend 2009. Sales sucked ASS. Then THIS Labor Day Weekend I kept prices the same - sales through the roof.

Lesson: Percieved Value.
Try RAISING your price for a couple days.

mariahxxx · 10-07-2010, 08:00 AM

so far the sales have been steady and enough for me to justify continuing to offer it. Larry Flynt was said "we work in the only industry where the demand doesn't go down when the price goes up" well I think the demand is still there but with customers having the overwhelming access to free porn there needs to be a strategy change IMO. We haven't changed our prices since the beginning of the online era...sites were $20 - $30 back in 1999 and are still in that price range today. I think its stubborn and naive to think that people will still pay the same price....don't a lot of people wait for prices on things to drop to buy? like flat screen tvs and bluray players etc...why should our business be different? When it's free all over the place why will they layout $30 a month? If you make it more reasonable then I think it suddenly becomes a much more attractive offer to get it in it's original quality rather than shitty flash streaming or resized and watered down versions.
I think that customers have sent a strong message to us that when it's free they'll sacrifice quality....but if it were to be a price that is justifiable, then maybe they would pull the trigger more easily?

mariahxxx · 10-07-2010, 08:15 AM

for those of you who question the whole Livebucks issue...check this thread out
http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/...ghlight=mariah posts #12 and #33 are the most relevant

PR_Dave · 10-07-2010, 08:20 AM

Brian Connely is that you? Posting as Mariah?

mariahxxx · 10-07-2010, 08:25 AM

nope this is Mariah......I'm my own webmaster these days.

10-07-2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mariahxxx

nope this is Mariah......I'm my own webmaster these days.

i can vouch for that!

Vegas Ken · 10-07-2010, 10:19 AM

We have the $10 promo up and running now. We look forward to sending some great sales your way!! Mariah converts great for us already, so the special price should kick things up to the next level

Kenny B! · 10-07-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mariahxxx

for those of you who question the whole Livebucks issue...check this thread out
http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/...ghlight=mariah posts #12 and #33 are the most relevant

How about you address my posts in this thread?

CDSmith · 10-07-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mariahxxx

i guess when your program has no traffic then you hold onto a $200 grudge since 2006 lol I can link you to the post on GG&J where their rep stated clearly that they eat all charge backs because they have great faith in their scrubbing. it was just funny that the day of payouts is when they decided to create the charge backs. I asked for a month for them to show me the proof of charge backs and they said they were not required to. I was told my account had been cancelled and Karl stopped replying to me yet I continued to get email notifications daily that sales were being made by my referring link and at the EXACT same rate that they were prior to the claim of charge backs? very suspicious to me. oh well, I wrote it off because I can afford to and $4k isn't worth crying over....maybe Mr. B should do the same over his claim of me owing him $200 since 2006 lol

If $4k is such a paltry amount that isn't worth crying over then why not pay the guy his measly $200 pittance and get him out of your hair and your thread for good? I swear some of you people would rather lower yourselves to pissing back and forth rather than working out a solution or just flat out dealing with a problem. The guy obviously feels strongly that he's owed, he's provided proof there was an agreement on your part, so why not just end it already and make things right?

Which brings me to Brad Mitchell, the lone voice of reason here. + rep for offering a way to settle the matter.

robwod · 10-07-2010, 12:58 PM

To the topic at hand, I think this promo would have been better implemented as a special links promo. That is, type-in links can be to a reduced price point. Special promo codes can be used by interested affiliates to direct surfers to the reduced cost promo. And normal links would be unaffected and show referred customers the full price point.

In doing it as an opt-in promo to affiliates, it would instantly remove any potential negativity associated with the perception by some of potentially reduced sales commissions.

Andreas · 10-07-2010, 01:07 PM

I see 29.79$ when i click Join now for 1 month.

10-04-2010, 01:59 PM	#4
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	If your conversions don't at least double (actually it needs to go up by about 250%) then you will lose money by doing this. As an affiliate a $5 commission for 1 month tends to be upsetting. I find a $20 - $30 price is about right and seldom does reducing the price from this increase conversions enough to make it worthwhile. I prefer $12-$15+ for each monthly sale and try to promote sponsors who give me that. You'll have to see what works best for you. Last edited by signupdamnit; 10-04-2010 at 02:02 PM..

10-04-2010, 01:59 PM	#6
Kenny B! Confirmed Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,717	Don't expect to be paid as an affiliate, Mariah does not pay! DO NOT promote her, she is a liar and a cheat! __________________ Kenny -at- YourPaysitePartner.com Skype: kennyb514 Do business with us: Your Paysite Partner Kenny's Pennies Sticky Dollars Radical Cash Indie Bucks Stand Ahead Read My Ambush Interview Here

10-04-2010, 02:02 PM	#8
Kenny B! Confirmed Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,717	What? I referred you to a cam program, one owned by Gamma, they never screwed anyone. I never worked there or promoted them with a ref code. You borrowed money from me way after your issue with them, pay me! __________________ Kenny -at- YourPaysitePartner.com Skype: kennyb514 Do business with us: Your Paysite Partner Kenny's Pennies Sticky Dollars Radical Cash Indie Bucks Stand Ahead Read My Ambush Interview Here

10-04-2010, 02:03 PM	#9
mariahxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 169	you're so full of shit. they screwed plenty of people. They owed me almost $4k and on the morning of payout they decided to say that my customer charged back (even though on GG&J their rep posted that they eat all chargebacks!) and after that I continued to get emails saying that I was sending sales. He was YOUR friend, Karl Hamilton and GG&J pulled all his ads because I wasn't the first it had happened to. You referred me and I used your name when I created the account so I would imagine you got something out of it. Last edited by mariahxxx; 10-04-2010 at 02:05 PM..

10-04-2010, 02:09 PM	#13
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	Good luck with the promo, it could do very well for you! __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

10-04-2010, 01:52 PM	#1
mariahxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 169	Mariah Milano $10 Membership for October! Hey guys...I came up with an idea over the weekend to offer full memberships for $10 for the entire month of October. For one I wanted to get to the next goal I have for number of members and secondly I want to test and see if price matters at all to surfers. In the past I had increases in signups when I raised my monthly from $24 to $29 and I still get at least 3 or 4 $49.95 1 month non recurring signups a day which baffles me. but i think it says that porn customers (I purposely used the word customer instead of surfer!) are more aware of recurring memberships and will pay double to avoid the hassle of cancelling. The big message that sends to me is that there needs to be a strategy shift on our parts so I'm gonna test this $10 membership out. So far since I changed it around noon I have 37 signups for $10. I usually average between 35 and 40 signups a day at $24.92 so I'm a little ahead of the average but not by much. so far only 2 of the 37 have cancelled which was my biggest concern that I would get a bunch of signups that cancelled immediately like they used to on trials before I went to a limited trial. What are your thoughts on this idea? Has anyone else tried this to see how it goes and if so what were the results? I've gotten 3 emails so far from people asking if it's for real. I hope things are going well

10-04-2010, 01:55 PM	#2
Kenny B! Confirmed Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,717	Hey Jeanette how about you pay me the money you owe me? __________________ Kenny -at- YourPaysitePartner.com Skype: kennyb514 Do business with us: Your Paysite Partner Kenny's Pennies Sticky Dollars Radical Cash Indie Bucks Stand Ahead Read My Ambush Interview Here

10-04-2010, 01:55 PM	#3
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	I think the price does matter. If the price is lower, the quantity of signups will be higher. If the price is higher, the quantity of signups will be lower. You must choose the price at which your revenue is maximized. Revenue = price x quantity of signups. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

10-04-2010, 02:08 PM	#12
loreen myadultdesign.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 12,557	Bump for a super sexy lady __________________ Banners, logos, headers, peels, FHGs, ads, paysites, photo retouching etc: my adult design portfolio My logo portfolio: PornLogos.com

10-04-2010, 02:10 PM	#15
Kenny B! Confirmed Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,717	Since 2006, you haven't paid me a dime of the $200. Why would affiliates expect you to pay them? And don't give me the bull shit that I referred you to Live Bucks and they fucked you. You asked me who I promoted back then and I told you. That's it, that's all. Then you needed money and I was dumb enough to lend it to you. Stupid me, but that doesn't give you the right to not pay me what you borrowed. __________________ Kenny -at- YourPaysitePartner.com Skype: kennyb514 Do business with us: Your Paysite Partner Kenny's Pennies Sticky Dollars Radical Cash Indie Bucks Stand Ahead Read My Ambush Interview Here

10-04-2010, 02:54 PM	#26
mariahxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 169	i guess when your program has no traffic then you hold onto a $200 grudge since 2006 lol I can link you to the post on GG&J where their rep stated clearly that they eat all charge backs because they have great faith in their scrubbing. it was just funny that the day of payouts is when they decided to create the charge backs. I asked for a month for them to show me the proof of charge backs and they said they were not required to. I was told my account had been cancelled and Karl stopped replying to me yet I continued to get email notifications daily that sales were being made by my referring link and at the EXACT same rate that they were prior to the claim of charge backs? very suspicious to me. oh well, I wrote it off because I can afford to and $4k isn't worth crying over....maybe Mr. B should do the same over his claim of me owing him $200 since 2006 lol

10-04-2010, 02:58 PM	#27
mariahxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 169	and furthermore while I'm thinking of it, people on other boards knock GFY for this exact reason. That the people here are more for gossip than business. this was a business minded thread and Mr B has to throw his nonsense into it and steer the thread away from business and toward bullshit. traffic Kenny, traffic!

10-04-2010, 03:07 PM	#28
Qbert Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 813	So, you're saying you don't owe him the $200 because a third party stiffed you for $4k and he was the one that recommended them? Seems like rather fuzzy logic to me, or more like grasping for an excuse to justify not paying back the $200. Just pay the $200 and be done with it. I have a hunch it will be far more costly in the long run if you don't. As for the $10/mo special price, I'm far less likely as an affiliate to push traffic to a program during such a promotion. It's all about $/unique and past experience has shown that the number of sales doesn't increase anywhere close to enough to make up the difference in price.

10-04-2010, 05:30 PM	#29
Kenny B! Confirmed Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,717	$200 or $20k it's money and it's owed, so I should forget it just because time has passed? It's not like I started a thread about it, she screwed me out of money and is posting about drumming up business, if she can't pay back a $200 what's to say she won't do it to others or should be trusted with your traffic. Nothing wrong with me posting in this thread, if it gets me paid then great, if not then at least people know more about this person. She is saying she shouldn't pay me on the grounds a program that I have no affiliation with didn't pay her. Not only that but the company that didn't pay claimed the sales she sent were fraudulent or charged back, I don't know the details other than what she posted years ago. Chances are she defrauded them too, how many other webmasters had their accounts closed by livebucks, you guys ever read any drama about them, or me, um no, there is one common denominator here. I edited her last name from the IOU because it can be a safety issue, I don't mean her any personal harm, I don't really care about her at all really or hold a grudge. She would never answer emails or icq, I noticed she posted a thread so here I am, all 'guilty of is having a good memory. I would like the money she borrowed, regardless of how long ago it was borrowed, it belongs to me. Yeah yeah Mariah this is all because I can't afford to feed my children, pay my hosting bill, and have no gas in my car. If it makes you feel better my newborn twins have no diapers and my ex wife ran off with the change jar, that's why I am posting in this thread. Just remember, you're the one who had no money and came to me, I'm the one who helped you, just to be clear. __________________ Kenny -at- YourPaysitePartner.com Skype: kennyb514 Do business with us: Your Paysite Partner Kenny's Pennies Sticky Dollars Radical Cash Indie Bucks Stand Ahead Read My Ambush Interview Here

10-04-2010, 07:57 PM	#30
mariahxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 169	Ok enough with the drama. I'm not here for that. So far 61 signups today, nearly double the usual daily average and it's almost 11pm. and the promo started around noon. What's interesting is I'm offering only 2 signup options. 1 month for $10 and 1 year for $99.80. I've had 7 1 year signups which I usually get maybe one or two. so the value in the deal seems to be relevant to the surfer. Immediate cancels are still less than 10 so thats good. we'll see how tomorrow is with some added traffic I'll push from another site. hope everyone has had a great Monday My best friend Puma Swede just flew into town to stay with me until we fly back to LA together on the 20th so we are going to sit outside with a bottle of wine til manana!

10-05-2010, 08:39 PM	#31
mariahxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 169	ok from midnight to nearly midnight and I've done more than 3 times the average new signups and that's with less traffic than usual. So if it's 3 times more then I'm ahead, right? I think that lower subscription prices might be a good answer to the drop in business many people are seeing. Yes, you make less per click, but if you send more sales wouldn't it add up to more?

10-05-2010, 09:00 PM	#32
OMG Jim Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,153	Glad to see you testing the new price points Mariah. This has been a point of discussion among many program owners who have seen their membership numbers decline steadily over the past two years. I think that by offering the $10 price you may be attracting new customers that may have not otherwise signed up. The real test will be in November when you go back to your regular pricing. Most programs have multiple sites in multiple niches so I think that offering a few sites at the $10 price point periodically may help stimulate some nice added sales. Just my worth. __________________ ICQ: 254 914 537 - Skype: AlmightyJim

10-06-2010, 05:22 AM	#33
mariahxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 169	thanks Jim As long as the ratio continues to so much imporved I would consider keeping it at $10 permanently. the real test will be today when my traffic increases. have a great day!

10-06-2010, 06:08 AM	#34
Kenny B! Confirmed Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,717	Wow all these joins pay me my $200 already if you're making so much money! And for all of you who say I hold a grudge for $200, I'd like to see how all of you would act if Chris Mallack came back in a few years to promote something, would you just drop the fact he screwed you out of money, I think not. Pay me! __________________ Kenny -at- YourPaysitePartner.com Skype: kennyb514 Do business with us: Your Paysite Partner Kenny's Pennies Sticky Dollars Radical Cash Indie Bucks Stand Ahead Read My Ambush Interview Here

10-06-2010, 10:22 AM	#35
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Nice to see business discussions... Don't worry, most of the people that actually get shit done look past the drama.

10-06-2010, 06:27 PM	#37
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Jesus Chr!st is there anyone in this thread I don't host now new, old, part, full? Jim, kiwi, Mariah, clips4sale, Kenny... I don't want to discuss it, here is what is DONE. Kenny, that debt will appear in a credit on your new Mojo account. Mariah, don't give me any grief please, it's not a conversation. Lets do like I suggest with my 6 and 7 year olds and "turn it around".. Back to the REAL conversation about sales and price points. Back in the day when I did a 10 price point I found suffers were too skeptical to buy, possible train of thought if something looks too good to be true it probably is. Difference here may be it's a personality site, surely much better design. I think the ultimate test is really retention. At a nice low price it's off the radar, not a stress. The ancillary opportunity to getting more members in the secure area seems to be potential for logical sale to other similar sites, monetization through member mailing, 1on1 cams, cancelled member remarking. If the numbers were evened out or ultimately greater due to retention I would personally rather have the diversity and more members to play with - let alone easily lower chargeback percentages (not that this is an issue for Mariah). On all those notes, does anyone have feedback on how using the IPSPs named a merchant could further rev share with the original affiliate for other sales? Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

10-06-2010, 09:16 PM	#39
Kenny B! Confirmed Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,717	You're a nice guy Brad, I do want my money but I certainly don't want it from you. Oh the part about having no money for my hosting along with the part about my wife running off with the change jar, sarcasm, we need a font for that:-) Mariah came to me needing money, I helped her, she put me off for a while with this excuse or that then just ignored me. It's the principal, I helped her and then she just ignores me, basically stealing. So when I see her post here, and it doesn't happen often I felt the need to come in and remind her as well as let others know what type of person she is, or at the very least has been to me. Maybe I all this epass drama has gotten boring I needed to spice things up. kiwi girl, I mentioned her first name and blocked her last, for that exact reason you mention, I don't wish anyone harm, I just want what was borrowed... fair, no? I know this is an old debt and let's be honest I'll never see the money, she?s made that clear, the least I can do is buy myself a couple hundred bucks of entertainment. I lost a little bit more to Chris Mallack and should he pop in sometime and start a thread about a new promotion, I'm sure I'll be one of many to comment in that thread too. As big an industry as this is, were still a small community and if you wrong someone it will get out and it should. Stealing is stealing, Mariah, Omar from site depth, Mark Womack, grim shawn, one of the many billing companies who's fucked us all at some point, the list is long and will continue to grow. Unfortunately we deal with people who scam, cheat and steal from others. But that doesn?t change the fact and I?m sure most would agree that it would be infuriating to see people who have taken from you act as if they did nothing wrong. At least some have the decency to disappear. __________________ Kenny -at- YourPaysitePartner.com Skype: kennyb514 Do business with us: Your Paysite Partner Kenny's Pennies Sticky Dollars Radical Cash Indie Bucks Stand Ahead Read My Ambush Interview Here

10-06-2010, 09:33 PM	#40
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,568	Hi Mariah! Gave MILF Mia your contact info, and sent you hers via ICQ a while back. So get in touch and maybe you two can shoot together. I tried lower-priced Memberships, as a Sale, last Labor Day Weekend 2009. Sales sucked ASS. Then THIS Labor Day Weekend I kept prices the same - sales through the roof. Lesson: Percieved Value. Try RAISING your price for a couple days. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

10-07-2010, 08:00 AM	#41
mariahxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 169	so far the sales have been steady and enough for me to justify continuing to offer it. Larry Flynt was said "we work in the only industry where the demand doesn't go down when the price goes up" well I think the demand is still there but with customers having the overwhelming access to free porn there needs to be a strategy change IMO. We haven't changed our prices since the beginning of the online era...sites were $20 - $30 back in 1999 and are still in that price range today. I think its stubborn and naive to think that people will still pay the same price....don't a lot of people wait for prices on things to drop to buy? like flat screen tvs and bluray players etc...why should our business be different? When it's free all over the place why will they layout $30 a month? If you make it more reasonable then I think it suddenly becomes a much more attractive offer to get it in it's original quality rather than shitty flash streaming or resized and watered down versions. I think that customers have sent a strong message to us that when it's free they'll sacrifice quality....but if it were to be a price that is justifiable, then maybe they would pull the trigger more easily?

10-07-2010, 08:15 AM	#42
mariahxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 169	for those of you who question the whole Livebucks issue...check this thread out http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/...ghlight=mariah posts #12 and #33 are the most relevant

10-07-2010, 08:20 AM	#43
PR_Dave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 2,792	Brian Connely is that you? Posting as Mariah? __________________ www.PIMPROLL.com

10-07-2010, 08:25 AM	#44
mariahxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 169	nope this is Mariah......I'm my own webmaster these days. Last edited by mariahxxx; 10-07-2010 at 08:33 AM..

10-07-2010, 10:19 AM	#46
Vegas Ken Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,151	We have the $10 promo up and running now. We look forward to sending some great sales your way!! Mariah converts great for us already, so the special price should kick things up to the next level __________________ Skype: vegas_ken

10-07-2010, 12:58 PM	#49
robwod Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,539	To the topic at hand, I think this promo would have been better implemented as a special links promo. That is, type-in links can be to a reduced price point. Special promo codes can be used by interested affiliates to direct surfers to the reduced cost promo. And normal links would be unaffected and show referred customers the full price point. In doing it as an opt-in promo to affiliates, it would instantly remove any potential negativity associated with the perception by some of potentially reduced sales commissions. Last edited by robwod; 10-07-2010 at 01:02 PM..

10-07-2010, 01:07 PM	#50
Andreas Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Heaven Posts: 728	I see 29.79$ when i click Join now for 1 month.