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Litzer · 10-09-2010, 06:42 AM

I love music and musical history , but as much as I have listened to the Beetles and John Lennon specifically, and as much as I have read about him, I can't figure out why he has been so influential. Is it mainly because he was killed in his solo career prime?

So you Lennon aficionados please help me understand.

Mutt · 10-09-2010, 06:50 AM

the little round wire framed glasses.

and he was a Beatle, Paul was too cute and cuddly to be cool, and John fell under the influence of an older talentless creepy gook lady and that added to his cool mystique, plus he was a neurotic mess, which fits the image people want to have in their genius idols.

and of course because he was gunned down by a psycho in Manhattan and died young.

dying young does have its advantages.

grumpy · 10-09-2010, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Litzer

I love music and musical history , but as much as I have listened to the Beetles and John Lennon specifically, and as much as I have read about him, I can't figure out why he has been so influential. Is it mainly because he was killed in his solo career prime?

So you Lennon aficionados please help me understand.

he was already an icon when he was killed, you didnt read enough

fatfoo · 10-09-2010, 06:56 AM

My understanding is that it's about the voice they sing it with. So, they can give written lyrics to 1,000 people, but only 1 person will sing it well. Therefore, it is about the pitch of the voice and pleasant melody of the voice. A singer's talent pleases the ear. John Lennon sings about the good and peaceful, doesn't he. Talented voices can be so good, that they even sing about the evil and people still like it. In other words, a person can sing "slit my wrists, cut off my arms," and the listener still likes it, because the voice sounds sweet and melodic.

ottopottomouse · 10-09-2010, 06:57 AM

Because he didn't live long enough to turn into a complete wanker.

NaughtyVisions · 10-09-2010, 06:57 AM

one down, three to go (x3)

chapman shot him dead
plugged him in the head
no more slopehead wife to fuck
no more squito bites to suck

fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck the beatles
smelly hairy old people (x2)

lennon's dead hip hip hooray
all his dues he know must pay
george, paul, ringo any day
will be dead we all must pray

fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck the beatles
smelly hairy old people (x2)

a paunched out hippie fart he was
a pot smoking scumbag
bespeckled old scuz
his panface gookin' fuck so me stud
insurance cash all covered in blood

one down, three to go (x4)

one year later
they paid their respects
prayed for his soul
then went went home & had sex
hypocrites all of them
the worst kind of drugged out phlegm

Scott McD · 10-09-2010, 07:00 AM

All i know is he had horrible, horrible taste in women.

Kiopa_Matt · 10-09-2010, 07:06 AM

Same type of thing as Bob Marley. People loved him for his vision of the world. That, and he ended up being a martyr for that vision.

charlie g · 10-09-2010, 07:06 AM

The dude was a true artist. If you can't get into his music, it's up to you. But he spoke to and for many people in the 60's and 70's. In 100 years people will still know the name John Lennon... you cant say that for very many people alive in the last 50 years.

seeandsee · 10-09-2010, 07:09 AM

because he got snaped...

gumdrop · 10-09-2010, 07:10 AM

He was a great artist and social activist.

alessergod · 10-09-2010, 07:13 AM

Lennon was the original founder of the Beatles. The Beatles transformed the music industry and what we listen to today. Lennon was the one who was not afraid to push his views thru the music and thus music was changed from cute melodies to something with meaning. And he did fuck up with Yoko. She was his downfall.

CaptainHowdy · 10-09-2010, 07:15 AM

Pure chance, get over it...

Rochard · 10-09-2010, 07:23 AM

I've never been a huge fan of the Beatles, but clearly their music changed the world in huge ways. No group has been more influential to the music industry. They have an amazing history, four kids who made it big, and couldn't handle what happened to them.

But I'm sorry. Take away the whole of the group and John Lennon just doesn't stand up. Take Bono out of U2 and you have, well, nothing. U2 is fucking awesome, and wouldn't be U2 without Bono. Same thing with Journey - Steve Perry without Journey behind him makes him horrible.

John Lennon had a handful of hits after the Beatles. He was also the cause of the Beatles breaking up. He might have been talented, but he also destroyed the greatest band in the world.

And at the same time you have Paul Mccartney who is the most successful songwriter in the history in the world.

J. Falcon · 10-09-2010, 07:34 AM

He was the leader of perhaps the most important rock band in history.

Grapesoda · 10-09-2010, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo

My understanding is that it's about the voice they sing it with. So, they can give written lyrics to 1,000 people, but only 1 person will sing it well. Therefore, it is about the pitch of the voice and pleasant melody of the voice. A singer's talent pleases the ear. John Lennon sings about the good and peaceful, doesn't he. Talented voices can be so good, that they even sing about the evil and people still like it. In other words, a person can sing "slit my wrists, cut off my arms," and the listener still likes it, because the voice sounds sweet and melodic.

this is what brian wilson of beachboy fame had to say...

TeenCat · 10-09-2010, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD

All i know is he had horrible, horrible taste in women.

cherrylula · 10-09-2010, 08:16 AM

The Beatles are more popular then Jesus!

gotta love it.

Paul Markham · 10-09-2010, 08:45 AM

Why is John Lennon such an Icon?

Because he was one of the most influential song writers of the 20th century. Because he had the guts to stand up for what he believed in. And yes because he was killed before his time.

alessergod · 10-09-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I've never been a huge fan of the Beatles, but clearly their music changed the world in huge ways. No group has been more influential to the music industry. They have an amazing history, four kids who made it big, and couldn't handle what happened to them.

But I'm sorry. Take away the whole of the group and John Lennon just doesn't stand up. Take Bono out of U2 and you have, well, nothing. U2 is fucking awesome, and wouldn't be U2 without Bono. Same thing with Journey - Steve Perry without Journey behind him makes him horrible.

John Lennon had a handful of hits after the Beatles. He was also the cause of the Beatles breaking up. He might have been talented, but he also destroyed the greatest band in the world.

And at the same time you have Paul Mccartney who is the most successful songwriter in the history in the world.

That is way a way over simplification of the story. After the death of Brian Epstein, the band lost their focused leader who was really the glue. During the recording of "Let it Be" Harrison was so pissed at Lennon and McCartney that he left and had to be cajolled into coming back after a week or so. I believe that had Epstein lived they may have lasted a few more years but ater the run they had it was only a matter of time before they said Fuck it.

closer · 10-09-2010, 10:23 AM

why is Marilyn Monroe such an icon?
why is James Dean such an icon?
why is River Phoenix such an icon?
why is Heath Ledger such an icon?
why is Michael Hutchence such an icon?

ok, all in different forms and shapes, but still icons!

they died young

ThunderBalls · 10-09-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Litzer

I love music and musical history , but as much as I have listened to the Beetles and John Lennon specifically, and as much as I have read about him, I can't figure out why he has been so influential.

You've listened to them so much you don't even know how to spell their fucking name.

Litzer · 10-09-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

You've listened to them so much you don't even know how to spell their fucking name.

Auto spelling on my phone.

Socks · 10-09-2010, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatfoo

My understanding is that it's about the voice they sing it with. So, they can give written lyrics to 1,000 people, but only 1 person will sing it well. Therefore, it is about the pitch of the voice and pleasant melody of the voice. A singer's talent pleases the ear. John Lennon sings about the good and peaceful, doesn't he. Talented voices can be so good, that they even sing about the evil and people still like it. In other words, a person can sing "slit my wrists, cut off my arms," and the listener still likes it, because the voice sounds sweet and melodic.

You've outdone yourself!

ThunderBalls · 10-09-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by alessergod

Lennon was the original founder of the Beatles. The Beatles transformed the music industry and what we listen to today. Lennon was the one who was not afraid to push his views thru the music and thus music was changed from cute melodies to something with meaning. And he did fuck up with Yoko. She was his downfall.

Yoko was his downfall? Downfall from what? If anything that legless cunt McCartney married was Pauls downfall.

The Porn Nerd · 10-09-2010, 11:16 AM

We don't have "voices of a generation" anymore these days, sadly, so "kids" (anyone under, say, 35-40) today don't know the power that music has to change lives, influence hearts and minds, and basically change the world. The Beatles did this, as did Bob Dylan and a handful of others. But with John Lennon it was his achingly beautiful, intimate honesty, and willingness to explore difficult emotional subject matter, that set him apart. Plus, you must remember that, during his lifetime, very few musicians before Lennon combined intelligent lyrics, emotional honesty and infectious melodies with a haunting voice.

Yes, add the tragedy of his murder, yes add the immense popularity of The Beatles...but for most Lennon fans it was his uncanny insight into humanity, how he somehow - somehow - managed to communicate exactly the unspoken feelings and attitudes of millions of people who couldn't express those feelings (or even identify them) themselves.

Again, Voice of a Generation for a disparate Generation (Baby Boomers) unable to agree on anything except Lennon's Genius.

Plus, he was cool. You have ears, his music doesn't move you? Make you think? Make you FEEL....something? If not then I really can't help you out here.

DAMNMAN · 10-09-2010, 11:27 AM

You're kidding me, right? Before him the world was SQUARE!!!!

PornMD · 10-09-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD

All i know is he had horrible, horrible taste in women.

Okay...I always thought people saying she was the worst singer ever was hyperbole like Sarah Jessica Parker looking like a horse (k maybe she looks 50% like a horse), but holy fuck...to quote Randy Marsh, that sounded like a bunch of Vietnamese people having their intestines pulled from their mouths.

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Litzer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 480	Why is John Lennon such an Icon? I love music and musical history , but as much as I have listened to the Beetles and John Lennon specifically, and as much as I have read about him, I can't figure out why he has been so influential. Is it mainly because he was killed in his solo career prime? So you Lennon aficionados please help me understand.

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	the little round wire framed glasses. and he was a Beatle, Paul was too cute and cuddly to be cool, and John fell under the influence of an older talentless creepy gook lady and that added to his cool mystique, plus he was a neurotic mess, which fits the image people want to have in their genius idols. and of course because he was gunned down by a psycho in Manhattan and died young. dying young does have its advantages. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	My understanding is that it's about the voice they sing it with. So, they can give written lyrics to 1,000 people, but only 1 person will sing it well. Therefore, it is about the pitch of the voice and pleasant melody of the voice. A singer's talent pleases the ear. John Lennon sings about the good and peaceful, doesn't he. Talented voices can be so good, that they even sing about the evil and people still like it. In other words, a person can sing "slit my wrists, cut off my arms," and the listener still likes it, because the voice sounds sweet and melodic. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

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charlie g Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Center of the Universe Posts: 2,758	The dude was a true artist. If you can't get into his music, it's up to you. But he spoke to and for many people in the 60's and 70's. In 100 years people will still know the name John Lennon... you cant say that for very many people alive in the last 50 years. __________________ AlanAgus1 at gmail dot com -------------------------------

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alessergod Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Where you won't find me. Posts: 229	Lennon was the original founder of the Beatles. The Beatles transformed the music industry and what we listen to today. Lennon was the one who was not afraid to push his views thru the music and thus music was changed from cute melodies to something with meaning. And he did fuck up with Yoko. She was his downfall. __________________ Have you ever seen a "Harley" parked in front of a Physchiatrists Office?

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