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DVTimes · 10-14-2010, 11:35 AM

i bet everyone was watching the minors come up.

Matyko · 10-14-2010, 12:05 PM

my sales are normal, ~average in last days. however i can tell you the same about the averages of last months. i think i make ~same $$$/m since april 2010...
[selling paysite memberships]

biskoppen · 10-14-2010, 12:08 PM

Shap, I see the same thing... going to take a closer look at my ratios now

AntiChrist · 10-14-2010, 12:10 PM

40 million Americans are on foodstamps. Go figure.

Shap · 10-14-2010, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biskoppen

Shap, I see the same thing... going to take a closer look at my ratios now

Scary thing is everybody I know doing decent volume is seeing it big time.

biskoppen · 10-14-2010, 12:18 PM

Yup, numbers looks strange

The day before yesterday : 7.14% form view -> form submission
Yesterday : also 7.14% form view -> form submission
Today : 1.85% form view -> form submission

So a huge drop in submissions today

Maybe CCBILL has some issues with their forms, because I also have some issues
with an upgrade form not showing the correct numbers.

Shap · 10-14-2010, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biskoppen

Yup, numbers looks strange

The day before yesterday : 7.14% form view -> form submission
Yesterday : also 7.14% form view -> form submission
Today : 1.85% form view -> form submission

So a huge drop in submissions today

Maybe CCBILL has some issues with their forms, because I also have some issues
with an upgrade form not showing the correct numbers.

EXACTLY the same here. I have a feeling their stats may not be caught up on the form submissions. Are your submissions off from 2 to 6am?

biskoppen · 10-14-2010, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

EXACTLY the same here. I have a feeling their stats may not be caught up on the form submissions. Are your submissions off from 2 to 6am?

My sales are almost completly dead today so a little hard to tell, but the answer would be yes

CCBill Paul · 10-14-2010, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biskoppen

Yup, numbers looks strange

The day before yesterday : 7.14% form view -> form submission
Yesterday : also 7.14% form view -> form submission
Today : 1.85% form view -> form submission

So a huge drop in submissions today

Maybe CCBILL has some issues with their forms, because I also have some issues
with an upgrade form not showing the correct numbers.

I am looking into our reports and would be happy to look into yours specifically if you would like to send me your account number.

I am sure that your upgrade form not showing the correct numbers is specific to your account so I would be happy to take a look into that as well.

V_RocKs · 10-14-2010, 12:58 PM

Today's sales sucked.... I normally do a lot of business about 11pm to 5am when the lurkers finally decided to buy and nothing this morning which is odd, but not totally unusual.

Then I sold a Size Genetics Extender... nice! $149 helped to make up for that slow ass morning.

Raja · 10-14-2010, 12:58 PM

Shap,
Did flipping the cascade fix the problem?

biskoppen · 10-14-2010, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

I am looking into our reports and would be happy to look into yours specifically if you would like to send me your account number.

I am sure that your upgrade form not showing the correct numbers is specific to your account so I would be happy to take a look into that as well.

Thanks Paul, already having Charles from clientsupport dealing with this.

Noe · 10-14-2010, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin

Do you have merchant and IPSP accounts for paysites?

yes ma'am..waited over 9 months for it..I refuse to use any 3rd party processor. I was with Jettis before that so I'm a bit traumatized lmao.

Persius · 10-14-2010, 01:07 PM

It's the ALIENS .. UFOs lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_761717.html

Noe · 10-14-2010, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin

I did forget a biggie that merchant is good for - internal xsales, setting up of accounts and sites, etc. Those things do make the merchant account much easier to use.

Actually not doing xsells or any of that shit at all. Want to keep my merchant account.

The Porn Nerd · 10-14-2010, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

EXACTLY the same here. I have a feeling their stats may not be caught up on the form submissions. Are your submissions off from 2 to 6am?

Don't know what you use for a secondary Shap but we use Epoch, and the forms loading via Epoch are WAY slow. They get 99% loaded then freeze for 30-45 seconds, all forms, all accounts. Weird. Contacted Epoch, they're investigating now...

CCBill forms load quick as shit, tho - don't know once they've been filled out then actually submitted to CCBill tho. Have you tested that? Load times & submission times/approval-denial time frames?

You know how surfers with a hard-on hate to wait...

Tiffany Preston · 10-14-2010, 01:28 PM

Sales are finally good here this month

Basileus · 10-14-2010, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Don't know what you use for a secondary Shap but we use Epoch, and the forms loading via Epoch are WAY slow. They get 99% loaded then freeze for 30-45 seconds, all forms, all accounts. Weird. Contacted Epoch, they're investigating now...

CCBill forms load quick as shit, tho - don't know once they've been filled out then actually submitted to CCBill tho. Have you tested that? Load times & submission times/approval-denial time frames?

You know how surfers with a hard-on hate to wait...

Actually we've got exactly the opposite: ccbill is very slow to load, usually it's about 10-15 seconds before the page starts to load, regardless of ISP or time of the day. Epoch is much faster from CCBill but still not ideal.

CCBill Paul · 10-14-2010, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus

Actually we've got exactly the opposite: ccbill is very slow to load, usually it's about 10-15 seconds before the page starts to load, regardless of ISP or time of the day. Epoch is much faster from CCBill but still not ideal.

If you can please email me a traceroute from where you are to our join page. Thank you.

MobiusMike · 10-14-2010, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin

You're own merchant isn't always the best solution. Processing fees can be just as high as with a IPSP. The main thing that a merchant is good for is to control the scrub rate thus allowing for more joins to come through.

We see little fraud and such on mobile so the scrub is less on that than our PC. Hence why our mobile runs on merchant and PC runs on IPSP. But the fees are about the same if not higher.

Kristen,

I have to disagree with you here on several levels. First and foremost, your costs shouldn't be anywhere near as high with a direct merchant account in comparison to an IPSP.

Secondly, you have to be able to trust the scrub that's being done on the IPSP which means you should be testing your PC content against a direct solution and looking at the approved/decline ratio to see if the scrub is eliminating clean business. The scrub is only as good as the data available and the parameters set.

MobiusMike · 10-14-2010, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Are you guys Cascading or relying on one merchant?

Dave asks a good question here.

If your cascading, you can look at the approval rate jump on your second tier processor and see whether there's been a significant change in the ratio of initial declines and secondary approvals.

If you're not cascading, you have to look at the attempted transactions and have your processor retrieve the decline reason codes and match them back to see if one specific type is cropping up if your numbers are wonky.

Alternatively, have someone run a couple of known "good" cards through to see what response you get and include a couple of over the shelf stored values to see what the result is on a known entity.

plsureking · 10-14-2010, 02:18 PM

the end is nigh

BlacksOnBlondes · 10-14-2010, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Anybody else? Yesterday was slow but picked up at night. Today is terrible. Anybody else?

Well Epoch was down for a short time at 2:45PM Mountain time, but anytime they go down (even for a short time) there will be shitty sales for that whole day+. This is has happened consistently for me in the last 11 years.

MrPinks · 10-14-2010, 04:11 PM

Absolutely horrible month for sales

icymelon · 10-14-2010, 04:17 PM

I was gonna say the ccbill scrub is in over drive but maybe its a technical problem. ccbill ratios have been bouncing never seen ratios this bad over a 500 blog network you would like to think there would be more stability in ratios. then it goes back to normal. but I can only base it on me

BIGTYMER · 10-14-2010, 04:29 PM

Sales have been rocking for me!

Why did I say that? Now they'll drop....

::::::KNOCK ON WOOD::::::

traumatics · 10-14-2010, 04:55 PM

maybe this is turning people off...

http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2...itive-for-hiv/

Noe · 10-14-2010, 05:12 PM

The #1 reason that every established program with REAL sales/members should have their own merch? Control. By utilizing a 3rd party processor you are putting your company at huge risk. Top Bucks and Twistys are well established programs with quality members databases I'm sure...yet you both have to suffer huge losses because of the irresponsibility of so many other companies under the same processor. And lets not forget those processors that have completely closed shop and subsequently shut down entire programs/companies.

Rand · 10-14-2010, 05:22 PM

We constantly monitor sales and trends. Although we do not see anything that is affecting sales as a whole, we are looking into this to see if we can find any patterns.

Anyone who believes they may be affected should contact your account rep or write directly to support <at> epoch.com.

mynameisjim · 10-14-2010, 05:29 PM

The last month or two there seems to be very specific days in which every site and processor shows very weak sales. From the biggest sites to the smallest and across all billers.

Oddly, I don't know about other sites but we are also seeing wild upswings as well with record breaking sales days. Same traffic as usual, but sales are waaay up.

Very odd, but I don't think you can pin this on one biller. It is something else in the background.

Does anyone with billing experience know what the major billers all have in common? That's where the issue is I think.

BV · 10-14-2010, 05:50 PM

i'm also seeing some drastic swings lately

more drastic than i have ever seen in over 12 years in biz

something seems fucked up, unfortunately i think it has nothing to do with any processor (i wish it was that simple)

i think for whatever reason people are just not buying right now

Jaeger · 10-14-2010, 06:32 PM

lately sales have been shit, like the last week or so, for me..

they had picked up prior to that

NickB. · 10-14-2010, 07:50 PM

Not even kidding or doing a sales pitch, but this month has been the best month ever for me...

stever · 10-14-2010, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noe

The #1 reason that every established program with REAL sales/members should have their own merch? Control. By utilizing a 3rd party processor you are putting your company at huge risk. Top Bucks and Twistys are well established programs with quality members databases I'm sure...yet you both have to suffer huge losses because of the irresponsibility of so many other companies under the same processor. And lets not forget those processors that have completely closed shop and subsequently shut down entire programs/companies.

good cal
err i mean call

Realgfs · 10-15-2010, 12:59 AM

I'm not even joking - This day has been the best all year.

sojproductions · 10-15-2010, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

I am investigating. Anyone else seeing something out of the ordinary please contact me so we can take a look. Thanks.

I reported this multiple times over the past 2 months, each time I was told 'no problems here'... so i gave up asking. Many times I had the secondary processor outsell ccbill, which should be impossible. I always know when there is a problem as ccbill telephone sales will flood in on 1 day, then I wont see any for weeks.

Currently I don't have any problems, next time I see it I will contact you directly if that is ok?

SwirlsGirl · 10-15-2010, 06:11 AM

Anyone know if ccbill employees are paid by the hour or on weekly salary. If the majority of us are seeing unexplainable swings in submission form percentages...yes I have been trying desperately for 2 years to spell this oddity out for GFY, if the ccbill team is paid on salary and is not seeing any reduction in salary or pay cuts, then I think it speaks volumes.

The question becomes how can so many ccbill clients see drastic reductions in sales, while the ccbill staff sees no reduction in salary???

Munch on that for a while, then come back when you are ready for a reality check.

They are much like the federal reserve.... in pure survival mode... and assuring the peasants that nothing is wrong...

SwirlsGirl · 10-15-2010, 06:13 AM

Anyone know if ccbill employees are paid by the hour or on weekly salary. If the majority of us are seeing unexplainable swings in submission form percentages...

yes I have been trying desperately for 2 years to spell this oddity out for GFY, if the ccbill team is paid on salary and is not seeing any reduction in salary or pay cuts, then I think it speaks volumes.

The question becomes how can so many ccbill clients see drastic reductions in sales, while the ccbill staff sees no reduction in salary???

Munch on that for a while, then come back when you are ready for a reality check.

They are much like the federal reserve.... in pure survival mode... and assuring the peasants that nothing is wrong...

Shap · 10-15-2010, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sojproductions

I reported this multiple times over the past 2 months, each time I was told 'no problems here'... so i gave up asking. Many times I had the secondary processor outsell ccbill, which should be impossible. I always know when there is a problem as ccbill telephone sales will flood in on 1 day, then I wont see any for weeks.

Currently I don't have any problems, next time I see it I will contact you directly if that is ok?

The no problems here but everything suddenly works really pisses me off.

SwirlsGirl · 10-15-2010, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

The no problems here but everything suddenly works really pisses me off.

Yep a couple days this week, I had ZERO activity on ccbill who is primary biller, but flurry of activity on backup processors on same days...

CUT THE FUCKING SHIT ALREADY CCBILL THE JIG IS UP

Here is what will happen, in the next day or so we will all get a flurry of ccbill sales out of no where, we will be so ecstatic with the sales we will go back to sleep and think it was just our imagination and nothing is wrong with ccbill.

The thread will disappear overnight and another similiar thread we will reappear in another month when the trick bag is deployed for another round.

Our problem is we don't have the collective attention span to see this though and hold them accountable. Also we are all struggling to keep business open and don't have the time or resources to investigate this properly.

remember we are the workhorses, we produce and create websites and adult content. CCBILL and others like them are parasites. They produce nothing but leech off of our hard work and labor. They are crafty and have plenty of resources to help squeeze the most out of their business model.

It never hit me until recently that having ccbill is like having your own mc donalds franchise, you make the egg mc muffins, you make the big macs, you make the french fries right.... but when the customer comes to pay... you have another company collecting the money from the customer and then charging you a fee to collect your money for you!!! Now ain't that nothing!

Same with us, we lure the surfer with our content, then they leave our site to go to ccbill site to "PAY US" for a membership. We have no idea whats really happening when they leave our site and go to ccbill servers. That is the elephant in the room. We have to trust that our data and joins are secure....

ANd for that we have the solid and honest reputation of the ccbill reps, and the robust crisp clear stats in our admin panel that are always 1000% accurate and free from bugs and glitches....

And if the ccbill admin stats and ccbill reps WORD is not enough to convince you then there is a litany of other mysterious gfy people who only show up to co sign and assure the few of us that things are fine, sales are fine... it must be your server, your stats...why would ccbill do this... with respect... kindly STFU you don't know shit about shit

MobiusMike · 10-15-2010, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Yep a couple days this week, I had ZERO activity on ccbill who is primary biller, but flurry of activity on backup processors on same days...

CUT THE FUCKING SHIT ALREADY CCBILL THE JIG IS UP

Here is what will happen, in the next day or so we will all get a flurry of ccbill sales out of no where, we will be so ecstatic with the sales we will go back to sleep and think it was just our imagination and nothing is wrong with ccbill.

The thread will disappear overnight and another similiar thread we will reappear in another month when the trick bag is deployed for another round.

Our problem is we don't have the collective attention span to see this though and hold them accountable. Also we are all struggling to keep business open and don't have the time or resources to investigate this properly.

remember we are the workhorses, we produce and create websites and adult content. CCBILL and others like them are parasites. They produce nothing but leech off of our hard work and labor. They are crafty and have plenty of resources to help squeeze the most out of their business model.

It never hit me until recently that having ccbill is like having your own mc donalds franchise, you make the egg mc muffins, you make the big macs, you make the french fries right.... but when the customer comes to pay... you have another company collecting the money from the customer and then charging you a fee to collect your money for you!!! Now ain't that nothing!

Same with us, we lure the surfer with our content, then they leave our site to go to ccbill site to "PAY US" for a membership. We have no idea whats really happening when they leave our site and go to ccbill servers. That is the elephant in the room. We have to trust that our data and joins are secure....

ANd for that we have the solid and honest reputation of the ccbill reps, and the robust crisp clear stats in our admin panel that are always 1000% accurate and free from bugs and glitches....

And if the ccbill admin stats and ccbill reps WORD is not enough to convince you then there is a litany of other mysterious gfy people who only show up to co sign and assure the few of us that things are fine, sales are fine... it must be your server, your stats...why would ccbill do this... with respect... kindly STFU you don't know shit about shit

I'd be interested in talking to anyone on this thread (or anywhere else for that matter) who feels this way and would like to test a direct merchant account solution as a potential alternative/backup to their IPSP accounts.

TeenSluts · 10-15-2010, 07:44 AM

was our best day since early 1999. porn is not dead. rock n roll however ...

fatfoo · 10-15-2010, 08:01 AM

Sales are not going so bad for me.

BFT3K · 10-15-2010, 08:10 AM

So half you fuckers dump boatloads of free content onto the internet, and then wonder why economy-struck surfers are no longer paying for your sites? So you decide to blame CCBill?!

Yeah, CCBill must be the company flooding the tubes with free fucking shit all day, every day, day after fucking day, right?

Want to know who is to blame? - LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR!!!!

Shap · 10-15-2010, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

So half you fuckers dump boatloads of free content onto the internet, and then wonder why economy-struck surfers are no longer paying for your sites? So you decide to blame CCBill?!

Yeah, CCBill must be the company flooding the tubes with free fucking shit all day, every day, day after fucking day, right?

Want to know who is to blame? - LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR!!!!

I'm not talking sales in general. I'm talking a HUGE one day drop out of the blue that hits a large number of decent volume guys at once.

SwirlsGirl · 10-15-2010, 08:27 AM

right on cue, all of you sales are excellent guys who only show up to cosign for ccbill, how about putting your money where your mouth is...

show us those 50-60% join form submission percentages that you had this week....come on show us that it is only a small few of us who are simply disgruntled and here to bash ccbill.

From now on if you report rocking sales in a thread like this, back it up with a screen shot...otherwise I would encourage healthy skepticism for those who report such success.

I personally have been a victim of enough fraud with banks, mortgage companies,auto repair shops, real estate companies, traffic companies (click fraud) to know that anytime we are talking money,especially electronic money... that you cannot take any bodys word for anything.

Humans can and will lie for money...PERIOD If the price is right many will even enjoy a pleasant night's sleep after stealing your earnings right from under you.

SwirlsGirl · 10-15-2010, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

So half you fuckers dump boatloads of free content onto the internet, and then wonder why economy-struck surfers are no longer paying for your sites? So you decide to blame CCBill?!

Yeah, CCBill must be the company flooding the tubes with free fucking shit all day, every day, day after fucking day, right?

Want to know who is to blame? - LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR!!!!

The problem with this reasoning is that there are still people going to the join forms, even with the content on tube sites, the tubes are not keeping people from visiting your site, or join page, most are specifically complaining about join form percentages dropping to zero on certain days, while back ups processors become extremely active on these select no ccbill join form submission days....

Now what the hell does tube sites have to do with that phenomenon?

PornHero · 10-15-2010, 08:36 AM

I am just glad to know its not just me that sees huge swings in sales.

Last week was great, this week is horrible.

It appears sales just died last Sunday night and havent recovered.

Hopefully this weekend it'll bounce back

BFT3K · 10-15-2010, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

The problem with this reasoning is that there are still people going to the join forms, even with the content on tube sites, the tubes are not keeping people from visiting your site, or join page, most are specifically complaining about join form percentages dropping to zero on certain days, while back ups processors become extremely active on these select no ccbill join form submission days....

Now what the hell does tube sites have to do with that phenomenon?

If you are NOT seeing a drop in hits on your join page(s), then you make a good point.

For those who ARE seeing less and less traffic every day however, it does NOT make sense to blame the biller(s).

Exit-chat · 10-15-2010, 09:11 AM

Shap, We work with all the major brands with our solution so i see a lot of information on a lot of programs and i can say this past few days there was definitely something wrong on the processing side!Same traffic, same offers.

I had some of our largest clients show 0 for an entire day and then a few sales trickle in.... We are now seeing some change but it was for days... Please post any info if someone finds out so i can share with clients... Some of them just passed it off as a bad day but there is something up for sure.

10-14-2010, 11:35 AM	#51
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10-14-2010, 12:05 PM	#52
Matyko PsyHead Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 8,664	my sales are normal, ~average in last days. however i can tell you the same about the averages of last months. i think i make ~same $$$/m since april 2010... [selling paysite memberships] __________________ -=- Register with our ref link and we help you with the setup! -=- AdSpyglass.com - Double your profit from brokers

10-14-2010, 12:08 PM	#53
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10-14-2010, 12:18 PM	#56
biskoppen Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Very small penis Posts: 5,809	Yup, numbers looks strange The day before yesterday : 7.14% form view -> form submission Yesterday : also 7.14% form view -> form submission Today : 1.85% form view -> form submission So a huge drop in submissions today Maybe CCBILL has some issues with their forms, because I also have some issues with an upgrade form not showing the correct numbers. __________________ Submit my videos to make bank, tons of 5 minute videos offered right here

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10-14-2010, 12:10 PM	#54
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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	Today's sales sucked.... I normally do a lot of business about 11pm to 5am when the lurkers finally decided to buy and nothing this morning which is odd, but not totally unusual. Then I sold a Size Genetics Extender... nice! $149 helped to make up for that slow ass morning.

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10-14-2010, 04:11 PM	#74
MrPinks Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: FL Posts: 1,767	Absolutely horrible month for sales

10-14-2010, 04:17 PM	#75
icymelon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,220	I was gonna say the ccbill scrub is in over drive but maybe its a technical problem. ccbill ratios have been bouncing never seen ratios this bad over a 500 blog network you would like to think there would be more stability in ratios. then it goes back to normal. but I can only base it on me __________________ Network Of Adult Blogs With Hardlink Rentals Available

10-14-2010, 04:29 PM	#76
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10-14-2010, 04:55 PM	#77
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10-14-2010, 05:12 PM	#78
Noe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,082	The #1 reason that every established program with REAL sales/members should have their own merch? Control. By utilizing a 3rd party processor you are putting your company at huge risk. Top Bucks and Twistys are well established programs with quality members databases I'm sure...yet you both have to suffer huge losses because of the irresponsibility of so many other companies under the same processor. And lets not forget those processors that have completely closed shop and subsequently shut down entire programs/companies. __________________ www.xxxcontentdirect.com www.extremefeeds.com ICQ: 169980934 [email protected]

10-14-2010, 05:22 PM	#79
Rand Industry Vet Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,663	We constantly monitor sales and trends. Although we do not see anything that is affecting sales as a whole, we are looking into this to see if we can find any patterns. Anyone who believes they may be affected should contact your account rep or write directly to support <at> epoch.com. __________________ -- Rand Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

10-14-2010, 05:29 PM	#80
mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	The last month or two there seems to be very specific days in which every site and processor shows very weak sales. From the biggest sites to the smallest and across all billers. Oddly, I don't know about other sites but we are also seeing wild upswings as well with record breaking sales days. Same traffic as usual, but sales are waaay up. Very odd, but I don't think you can pin this on one biller. It is something else in the background. Does anyone with billing experience know what the major billers all have in common? That's where the issue is I think. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

10-14-2010, 05:50 PM	#81
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	i'm also seeing some drastic swings lately more drastic than i have ever seen in over 12 years in biz something seems fucked up, unfortunately i think it has nothing to do with any processor (i wish it was that simple) i think for whatever reason people are just not buying right now

10-14-2010, 06:32 PM	#82
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10-14-2010, 07:50 PM	#83
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	Not even kidding or doing a sales pitch, but this month has been the best month ever for me...

10-15-2010, 12:59 AM	#85
Realgfs Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 438	I'm not even joking - This day has been the best all year. __________________ Learn how to make the BIG BUCKS as an affiliate at RealGfsBucks.com! Jake : RealGfsBucks.com : ICQ 406694196 : [email protected] We give you the best tools to promote Real Girlfriend footage! We supply you with the latest FLA videos, peel ads, RSS feeds, blogs, content packs, awesome banners and of cause crazy hot amateur teens

10-15-2010, 06:11 AM	#87
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Anyone know if ccbill employees are paid by the hour or on weekly salary. If the majority of us are seeing unexplainable swings in submission form percentages...yes I have been trying desperately for 2 years to spell this oddity out for GFY, if the ccbill team is paid on salary and is not seeing any reduction in salary or pay cuts, then I think it speaks volumes. The question becomes how can so many ccbill clients see drastic reductions in sales, while the ccbill staff sees no reduction in salary??? Munch on that for a while, then come back when you are ready for a reality check. They are much like the federal reserve.... in pure survival mode... and assuring the peasants that nothing is wrong...

10-15-2010, 06:13 AM	#88
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Anyone know if ccbill employees are paid by the hour or on weekly salary. If the majority of us are seeing unexplainable swings in submission form percentages... yes I have been trying desperately for 2 years to spell this oddity out for GFY, if the ccbill team is paid on salary and is not seeing any reduction in salary or pay cuts, then I think it speaks volumes. The question becomes how can so many ccbill clients see drastic reductions in sales, while the ccbill staff sees no reduction in salary??? Munch on that for a while, then come back when you are ready for a reality check. They are much like the federal reserve.... in pure survival mode... and assuring the peasants that nothing is wrong...

10-15-2010, 07:44 AM	#92
TeenSluts Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,966	was our best day since early 1999. porn is not dead. rock n roll however ...

10-15-2010, 08:01 AM	#93
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	Sales are not going so bad for me. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

10-15-2010, 08:10 AM	#94
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	So half you fuckers dump boatloads of free content onto the internet, and then wonder why economy-struck surfers are no longer paying for your sites? So you decide to blame CCBill?! Yeah, CCBill must be the company flooding the tubes with free fucking shit all day, every day, day after fucking day, right? Want to know who is to blame? - LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR!!!!

10-15-2010, 08:27 AM	#96
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	right on cue, all of you sales are excellent guys who only show up to cosign for ccbill, how about putting your money where your mouth is... show us those 50-60% join form submission percentages that you had this week....come on show us that it is only a small few of us who are simply disgruntled and here to bash ccbill. From now on if you report rocking sales in a thread like this, back it up with a screen shot...otherwise I would encourage healthy skepticism for those who report such success. I personally have been a victim of enough fraud with banks, mortgage companies,auto repair shops, real estate companies, traffic companies (click fraud) to know that anytime we are talking money,especially electronic money... that you cannot take any bodys word for anything. Humans can and will lie for money...PERIOD If the price is right many will even enjoy a pleasant night's sleep after stealing your earnings right from under you.

10-15-2010, 08:36 AM	#98
PornHero Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,381	I am just glad to know its not just me that sees huge swings in sales. Last week was great, this week is horrible. It appears sales just died last Sunday night and havent recovered. Hopefully this weekend it'll bounce back

10-15-2010, 09:11 AM	#100
Exit-chat Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 444	Shap, We work with all the major brands with our solution so i see a lot of information on a lot of programs and i can say this past few days there was definitely something wrong on the processing side!Same traffic, same offers. I had some of our largest clients show 0 for an entire day and then a few sales trickle in.... We are now seeing some change but it was for days... Please post any info if someone finds out so i can share with clients... Some of them just passed it off as a bad day but there is something up for sure. __________________ Rick Bennink CEO www.Exit-Chat.com icq 278635939 [email protected] The market creator and leader in AI chat customer recovery since 2005!