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Paul Markham · 10-16-2010, 09:19 AM

Fibre optic cables' data capacity may soon be reached

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We may all increasingly need to get used to the idea that bandwidth - just like water and energy - is a valuable commodity to be used wisely?

End Quote David Richardson University of Southampton

Interesting article.

epitome · 10-16-2010, 09:22 AM

He is stating the obvious.

bronco67 · 10-16-2010, 09:24 AM

If people would stop downloading blu ray copies of fucking Sandra Bullock movies, then maybe we wouldn't have a problem.

Machete_ · 10-16-2010, 09:25 AM

Japan doesn't seem to have this problem. Their cables capacity is 100x that of USA

Paul Markham · 10-16-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome

He is stating the obvious.

It's not a new story, but increasingly being told.

zeuse · 10-16-2010, 09:32 AM

Looks like I'm going to be stuck on 750 kbps.

AdultEUhost · 10-16-2010, 11:34 AM

True but don't underestimate technology

Ethersync · 10-16-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Fibre optic cables' data capacity may soon be reached

Interesting article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fibre

DamianJ · 10-16-2010, 11:59 AM

This 'story' has been repeated every couple of years since the internet started.

Ooh, we can't possibly have PICTURES, the network will collapse.

Oooh, we can't possibly have MUSIC, the network will collapse.

Oooh, we can't possibly have VIDEO, the network will collapse.

Oooh, we can't possibly STREAM VIDEO, the network will collapse.

Oh and then the stuff about running out of IP addresses.

Etc.

It's a non story.

Here's the BBC in 2007 saying we will run out by 2010.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7103426.stm

And here is Cringely 3 years ago explaining about this bandwidth scarcity myth.

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2...05_003153.html

TidalWave · 10-16-2010, 12:00 PM

We havent even yet started deploying 40Gbps and 100Gbps ports over fiber... I really doubt we are anywhere near "close" to maxing out fiber optic cables. There's colored optics, etc. to use more bandwidth over existing cabling.

CyberHustler · 10-16-2010, 12:04 PM

In other news, the sky is falling.

Barefootsies · 10-16-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

We havent even yet started deploying 40Gbps and 100Gbps ports over fiber... I really doubt we are anywhere near "close" to maxing out fiber optic cables. There's colored optics, etc. to use more bandwidth over existing cabling.

That makes two of us champ.

There was an ENORMOUS glut of fiber laid in the 90's by all of those internet and telco companies that are now out of business. More than the U.S. could have possibly used. Even now Google is laying more, and there are government initiatives on the table to mandate increased access and speed.

Sounds like there was a sale on tinfoil this week.

Brujah · 10-16-2010, 12:53 PM

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates (1981)

CYF · 10-16-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fibre

A lot of the dark fiber doesn't run where the backbones are. For example, there's dark fiber from Kenosha, WI to Milwaukee, WI and what fucking good is that going to do?

Spudstr · 10-16-2010, 01:02 PM

I will sum things up.

Current DWDM will power 160 channels or waves as we call them them today. The standard for these waves is currently 10Gbps. 40Gbps and 100Gbps technologies are just now emerging. It is only a matter of time from when we go from having the ability to run 160 x 10G over a single pair of fiber to 160 x 40G and 160 x 100G over a pair of fiber.

If the technology, which some cases work on bi-di "bidi" or bi-directional fiber. I.e 1 strand instead of two making up a circuit you can go from 160x to 320x waves on 2 strands of fiber.

Whoever wrote that article doesn't understand how things work.

Spudstr · 10-16-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CYF

A lot of the dark fiber doesn't run where the backbones are. For example, there's dark fiber from Kenosha, WI to Milwaukee, WI and what fucking good is that going to do?

Lots of good. You can achieve anything with fiber, tv signals, data, voice you name it.

Ethersync · 10-16-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CYF

A lot of the dark fiber doesn't run where the backbones are. For example, there's dark fiber from Kenosha, WI to Milwaukee, WI and what fucking good is that going to do?

Well, Google has been buying it hand over fist for years. I'm sure the web hosts here can tell us pretty quick if this article is b.s. or not (some already have posted).

Doctor Dre · 10-16-2010, 01:07 PM

Like everytime a story like that breaks out, there is an agenda behind it. Mostly about net neutrality.

According to Gerry Butters,[2][3][4] the former head of Lucent's Optical Networking Group at Bell Labs, Moore's law holds true with fibre optics.[5] The amount of data coming out of an optical fibre is doubling every nine months. Thus, excluding the transmission equipment upgrades, the cost of transmitting a bit over an optical network decreases by half every nine months.[dubious – discuss] The availability of dense wavelength-division multiplexing DWDM and coarse wavelength division multiplexing CWDM is rapidly bringing down the cost of networking, and further progress seems assured.

munki · 10-16-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

If people would stop downloading blu ray copies of fucking Sandra Bullock movies, then maybe we wouldn't have a problem.

CYF · 10-16-2010, 01:17 PM

Bell Labs scientists have determined that the theoretical limit of a fiber is 100 TBPS.

1TBS has finally been reached.

And that's per strand, if you bundle a bunch of strands together then where's the issue? Article has no hard numbers just spews a bunch of FUD, IMHO the article is junk.

gideongallery · 10-16-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Fibre optic cables' data capacity may soon be reached

Interesting article.

this is just the fud drum being beat to justify tiered internet again.

the fact is all that Bit torrent downloading could be solved by setting up reverse proxy, as local area nodes. Everyone would simply get their copy from the node, while the node would be the only one to communicate across the backbone.

The only reason telco don't implement such a solution is bacuase they want to justify tiered internet.

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Spudstr Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In a Tater Patch Posts: 2,321	I will sum things up. Current DWDM will power 160 channels or waves as we call them them today. The standard for these waves is currently 10Gbps. 40Gbps and 100Gbps technologies are just now emerging. It is only a matter of time from when we go from having the ability to run 160 x 10G over a single pair of fiber to 160 x 40G and 160 x 100G over a pair of fiber. If the technology, which some cases work on bi-di "bidi" or bi-directional fiber. I.e 1 strand instead of two making up a circuit you can go from 160x to 320x waves on 2 strands of fiber. Whoever wrote that article doesn't understand how things work. __________________ Managed Hosting - Colocation - Network Services Yellow Fiber Networks icq: 19876563

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epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	He is stating the obvious.

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Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	Japan doesn't seem to have this problem. Their cables capacity is 100x that of USA

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DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	This 'story' has been repeated every couple of years since the internet started. Ooh, we can't possibly have PICTURES, the network will collapse. Oooh, we can't possibly have MUSIC, the network will collapse. Oooh, we can't possibly have VIDEO, the network will collapse. Oooh, we can't possibly STREAM VIDEO, the network will collapse. Oh and then the stuff about running out of IP addresses. Etc. It's a non story. Here's the BBC in 2007 saying we will run out by 2010. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7103426.stm And here is Cringely 3 years ago explaining about this bandwidth scarcity myth. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2...05_003153.html

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CYF Coupon Guru Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 10,973	Bell Labs scientists have determined that the theoretical limit of a fiber is 100 TBPS. 1TBS has finally been reached. And that's per strand, if you bundle a bunch of strands together then where's the issue? Article has no hard numbers just spews a bunch of FUD, IMHO the article is junk. __________________ Webmaster Coupons Coupons and discounts for hosting, domains, SSL Certs, and more! AmeriNOC Coupons \| Certified Hosting Coupons \| Hosting Coupons \| Domain Name Coupons Last edited by CYF; 10-16-2010 at 01:20 PM..