I'm starting to agree with program owners, most affiliates are whiney, demanding, etc.

[will76]

Usually I am taking up for affiliates but I have to side with program owners on this one. Seeing how much demanding and bitching that has been going on lately about how affiliates want to get paid...

I don't want checks.
I don't want too many cards.
I don't want to pay for wires.

I want you to use companies like epass to send me my money. I want you to add this payment program, I want you to add that payment program....

Here is the deal, these companies risk a LOT of money when they use 3rd party companies like epass to send you money. They transfer over tens of thousands of dollars (some even more than that) and then *trust* that company to turn around and send out those payments to your accounts with them. Look at what happened with epassporte, they froze wallets (most likely not by chance) right after a lot of companies transferred over large sums of money to make affiliate payments.

You affiliates don't care about the risk they take or if they lose their money, you will still expect to be paid.

When these programs offer to pay you directly via a prepaid card you bitch and cry " noooo I don't want to have 20 cards!!!! ". When they offer to pay you directly through a check " no it takes too long to get to me or my bank charges me to cash it".

If I was one of these companies I would offer a prepaid card option where that affiliate program load their own card and the money goes directly to you and if, god forbid, you had to have more than 1 card per company then you would just have to suck it up and deal with it. The horror!

You guys expect a lot, you expect these companies to jump on board with just any 3rd party company that comes a long and for them to risk tons of their money just because you don't want a check, or to pay for a wire, or because you don't want too many cards.


/rant



- feel free to give me negative rep if I pissed you off, you guys and your rep shit, it's worst then high school. " rep me and i will rep you" , totally defeats the purpose of having a rep system, it *could* have been a USEFUL feature if people would have taken it seriously. Now its just a "rep me and I will rep you" bullshit and " i didn't like you post, you get bad rep".

[Barefootsies]

Thanks for sharing tootsie. Frankly, I agree with ye.

[Jdoughs]

Affiliates have every right to chose how they are paid, we are the payee's, we are owed money. It is not a right to get traffic from us it is a privilege. Charging us a 'fee' to pay us money that is owed is ridiculous, does this happen in any other business?\

If somebody wants special treatment, then they should have to pay fees associated with that, but that's it.

[Jdoughs]

Also, it's a simple solution which most companies already use, it's saying "no, we pay with X, X, X and X."

[Roald]

I just want hot oil massages from sexy female reps. Thats asking too much?

Fuck you neg repped your ass!!!!

[will76]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Affiliates have every right to chose how they are paid, we are the payee's, we are owed money. It is not a right to get traffic from us it is a privilege. Charging us a 'fee' to pay us money that is owed is ridiculous, does this happen in any other business?\

If somebody wants special treatment, then they should have to pay fees associated with that, but that's it.

The companies that charge fees for all ways of getting paid and don't give you at least one way to get paid with out getting charged a fee is bs, but that is a different topic and not what I am talking about here. If *YOUR* bank charges you a fee then that is not that programs fault and out of their control, that's on you and your situation.


The way i see it, affiliate/program relationship is 2 business doing business together. It's B2B. Affiliates are not customers. If you don't like what a business has to offer you don't work with them, you can go work with another business. It's no more a privilege for them to get your traffic as it is a privilege for you to be able to promote and make money from their program. The entitlement, they need me attitude (i hate to tell you) is not only a bad one but rapidly becoming extinct. The way things have been going lately, you will likely need them more then they need you in the future, but that is a topic for another thread as well. It's just a bad attitude to have.

The "too many cards thing" is the best yet. I can't tell you how many people cried about OMG having too many cards so it would be unacceptable for a company to want to pay people directly via their own prepaid cards that they load vs having to send it all to a 3rd party to handle their money. The "inconvenience" of you having too many cards vs the potential risk of them losing thousands of dollars trusting a 3rd party, and you guys are hell bent on "setting the standard" way for all of these companies to pay so it is perfectly convenient for you.

It is absurd, to *demand* companies to have to send money to someone else to then send to you. THAT is special treatment if you ask me. If *YOUR* situation doesn't allow YOU to be able to be paid directly by the company then its YOUR problem and if you have a ever so slight inconvenience then tough shit. Everyone should be working together here and not come across like a bunch of spoiled brats.

[ContentPimp]

Just how you don't care that in europe cashing checks cost as much as a wire and there is a 4 to 6 week wait, affiliates don't care about the sponsors. Everyone only cares for themselves, that isn't anything new.

[will76]

Originally Posted by tinafaye

Just how you don't care that in europe cashing checks cost as much as a wire and there is a 4 to 6 week wait, affiliates don't care about the sponsors. Everyone only cares for themselves, that isn't anything new.

These sponsors could pay you directly via prepaid cards, but then it would require people to have multiple cards and they were crying about that too. I understand, for what ever reason, that banks in some countries don't like checks and charge fees to deposit them, but it is THOSE countries that is making things difficult for their people, so those people should be a little more flexible, and if needed *gasp* have multiple cards, use another bank, do something.

[epitome]

I agree 100%.

But I feel that within two to three years the adult affiliate model will mostly be dead and it won't matter anyway.

Programs are doing more in-house traffic generation and working directly with other programs so that they do not have to deal with whiny affiliates.

Only the whales will remain because they'll be worth it to the programs.

There won't be anymore $70 payments for the period for two sales.

[Jdoughs]

Affiliates will never go away Epitome, as long as a guy can generate traffic and sales, there will be other guys wanting to pay him for them.

[Tjeezers]

we are no cry baby, you are generalizing us 2 much

[CunningStunt]

The first 2 posters suck each other's cocks and live in douche city.

[Ron2k1]

What's exactly your problem Will?

If you don't want to use a wallet company, just stay away from them. For many affiliates it's a good option to get their payments. If sponsors want to work with it, let them do it.

[punkpred]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Affiliates have every right to chose how they are paid, we are the payee's, we are owed money. It is not a right to get traffic from us it is a privilege. Charging us a 'fee' to pay us money that is owed is ridiculous, does this happen in any other business?\

If somebody wants special treatment, then they should have to pay fees associated with that, but that's it.

[Nicky]

The only thing I actually wonder about is sponsors charging $50 for a wire? Not that It bothers me that much but how come? Sending an international wire for me cost's $7 and I'm not even a sponsor that do them in bulk and should get lower fee's. Anyone have some info on this?

[Agent 488]

do you ever quit whining for fucksakes?

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by Ron2k1

What's exactly your problem Will?

If you don't want to use a wallet company, just stay away from them. For many affiliates it's a good option to get their payments. If sponsors want to work with it, let them do it.

he's a bitter man living in the glory days of 2002 when checks were king.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Affiliates have every right to chose how they are paid, we are the payee's, we are owed money. It is not a right to get traffic from us it is a privilege. Charging us a 'fee' to pay us money that is owed is ridiculous, does this happen in any other business?\

If somebody wants special treatment, then they should have to pay fees associated with that, but that's it.

Dude, you are being a fucking idiot.

[Major (Tom)]

We are bitch to our affiliates /:
(slap) ouch /:
Duke

[TheSwed]

Will 76
That banks do not want to deal with the checks, is for the same reason that electronics stores not sell VHS players and Sony Walkman anymore here in Europe

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by TheSwed

Will 76
That banks do not want to deal with the checks, is for the same reason that electronics stores not sell VHS players and Sony Walkman anymore here in Europe

That's just fucking retarded.

[BJ]

Yes it is a pain in the ass. It is always going to be the top 2% of the affiliates that will make you the most money, and those are the ones who have no problems taking checks and don't bug you every 2 minutes about payments.

Its amazing that programs will go to great lengths to serve the other 98%. I used to pay epassporte and it was nothing but a hassle and only served affiliates earning the smallest money.

[closer]

I was expecting a better rant than this

[Dreamteam]

Originally Posted by will76

Usually I am taking up for affiliates but I have to side with program owners on this one. Seeing how much demanding and bitching that has been going on lately about how affiliates want to get paid...

I don't want checks.
I don't want too many cards.
I don't want to pay for wires.

I want you to use companies like epass to send me my money. I want you to add this payment program, I want you to add that payment program....

Here is the deal, these companies risk a LOT of money when they use 3rd party companies like epass to send you money. They transfer over tens of thousands of dollars (some even more than that) and then *trust* that company to turn around and send out those payments to your accounts with them. Look at what happened with epassporte, they froze wallets (most likely not by chance) right after a lot of companies transferred over large sums of money to make affiliate payments.

You affiliates don't care about the risk they take or if they lose their money, you will still expect to be paid.

When these programs offer to pay you directly via a prepaid card you bitch and cry " noooo I don't want to have 20 cards!!!! ". When they offer to pay you directly through a check " no it takes too long to get to me or my bank charges me to cash it".

If I was one of these companies I would offer a prepaid card option where that affiliate program load their own card and the money goes directly to you and if, god forbid, you had to have more than 1 card per company then you would just have to suck it up and deal with it. The horror!

You guys expect a lot, you expect these companies to jump on board with just any 3rd party company that comes a long and for them to risk tons of their money just because you don't want a check, or to pay for a wire, or because you don't want too many cards.


/rant



- feel free to give me negative rep if I pissed you off, you guys and your rep shit, it's worst then high school. " rep me and i will rep you" , totally defeats the purpose of having a rep system, it *could* have been a USEFUL feature if people would have taken it seriously. Now its just a "rep me and I will rep you" bullshit and " i didn't like you post, you get bad rep".

Will, ... listen.

Sponsors do what I say. If not .. i'm gone.
I completely understand that we both have to make money, but sponsors will not dictate me how I can be paid.

They want my traffic and my sales? Fine ... I don't ask too much.
Otherwise I'm sorry. Then I go somewhere else.

I send my sales to a sponsor and then hopefully after 4 to 6 weeks I'm getting paid. So it's more that I have to trust a sponsor and not the other way around.

A sponsor have to keep me on board. They have to do whats needed to earn my sales.

So shut the fuck up about this whole shit because you have no idea what you're talking about man.

When I hear all this shit then maybe I have to send X-mass gifts to the sponsors I work with

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Dreamteam

Will, ... listen.

Sponsors do what I say. If not .. i'm gone.
I completely understand that we both have to make money, but sponsors will not dictate me how I can be paid.

They want my traffic and my sales? Fine ... I don't ask too much.
Otherwise I'm sorry. Then I go somewhere else.

I send my sales to a sponsor and then hopefully after 4 to 6 weeks I'm getting paid. So it's more that I have to trust a sponsor and not the other way around.

A sponsor have to keep me on board. They have to do whats needed to earn my sales.

So shut the fuck up about this whole shit because you have no idea what you're talking about man.

When I hear all this shit then maybe I have to send X-mass gifts to the sponsors I work with

You are an ignorant ass donkey.

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Dude, you are being a fucking idiot.

Tell your power supplier this month there will be a $2 check fee when you pay your bill this month.

Ask your host if they mind paying a $4 CC fee when you pay your invoice this month.

While you're at it, send a list of possible payment options to your registrar, ask them if they prefer getting paid check $2 fee, or bank wire ($50 fee). See if they don't tell you to fuck off.

Absolutely NO reason to charge me a fee to pay me money that I am owed. Period.

[Dreamteam]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

You are an ignorant ass donkey.

Maybe ... But I'm turning around in this shit since 13 years now and I make good money.

Guess I know what I'm doing.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Tell your power supplier this month there will be a $2 check fee when you pay your bill this month.

Ask your host if they mind paying a $4 CC fee when you pay your invoice this month.

Absolutely NO reason to charge me a fee to pay me money that I am owed. Period.

You're right, a sponsor should pay up to $40 or $50 out of their pocket to send you your $50 commission by wire. I mean, you earned it right!

This is fucking stupid. If your backwards ass country is too stupid to handle a check it is not the sponsors fault. If your sponsor wants reimbursement for having to spend time dealing with a wire and for the money it costs them then good. Get a real fucking bank account or move somewhere that isn't in the dark ages.

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

You're right, a sponsor should pay up to $40 or $50 out of their pocket to send you your $50 commission by wire. I mean, you earned it right!

This is fucking stupid. If your backwards ass country is too stupid to handle a check it is not the sponsors fault. If your sponsor wants reimbursement for having to spend time dealing with a wire and for the money it costs them then good. Get a real fucking bank account or move somewhere that isn't in the dark ages.

So why the check fee then? Never once did I mention not wanting to pay for a wire, I said if extra treatment is wanted, we should pay for it.

Say something that actually means something instead of tossing out insults like a fucking 4 year old.

You jumped in this thread, read EVERYTHING wrong and started calling people idiots. Grow up and pay attention, and next time maybe you'll come off like you have the slightest clue what the fuck you are talking about.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

So why the check fee then? Never once did I mention not wanting to pay for a wire, I said if extra treatment is wanted, we should pay for it.

Say something that actually means something instead of tossing out insults like a fucking 4 year old.

You jumped in this thread, read EVERYTHING wrong and started calling people idiots. Grow up and pay attention, and next time maybe you'll come off like you have the slightest clue what the fuck you are talking about.

Who is charging a check fee? I've never seen it once.

[xholly]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Who is charging a check fee? I've never seen it once.

You are an ignorant ass donkey.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by xholly

You are an ignorant ass donkey.

No. Not only have I not seen it from anyone that matters it's also irrelevant since it has fuck all to do with what was said and what was argued against.

[TeenCat]

fucking sponsors, i want money for nothing but nobody agree, stupid losers ... i mean agree with you man, what i have read after epass felt down is incredible ... lazy crybabies all around

[Brujah]

Does anyone get paid by SMS or does that only work for billing?

[ahoy]

I am just really thankful I stuck with checks, about a month before this epass fiasco I was thinking about switching. I for one still like getting good ole checks in the mail, makes getting mail fun instead of always bills!

[Agent 488]

don't worry will thinks the world is a giant wal mart and burger king and has zero comprehension that the rest of the world isn't identical to his egocentric view, let alone understand the differences in world banking systems. hell, will can't even comprehend why anyone would promote anyone but clickcash but there you go. the guy is an old troll living in the glory days of the past poking his nose where he has no business or knowledge.

[Agent 488]

and then we have stocktrader23 who revolutionizes the adult industry every week with his fantastical breakthroughs but for some reason can't understand simple and basic differences in banking systems outside of his country.

why anyone who listens to those who never will use alternate methods of payment and are stuck in the age of fax machines and vcrs is beyond me.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Who is charging a check fee? I've never seen it once.

not everyone lives in the US you think cunt. there are differences outside your wal mart bank.

[reformednanpa]

Ask a european how grandmas over there include a check inside a birthday card they mail to their grandchildren --- I mean, it isn't safe to include cash is it? It's a real mystery to me,... I really want to know... Once we figure that out, everything else about understanding the "no checks" thing will follow

[CaptainHowdy]

Do you feel much better now??

[woj]

"He who has the gold, makes the rules."
don't like the rules, promote someone else, what's the problem?
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[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

not everyone lives in the US you think cunt. there are differences outside your wal mart bank.

That's your bank charging a fee you ignorant cunt.

[Klen]

I have traffic,i have power,therefore you will dance how i say

[willwank]

This thread has potential

[Nicky]

No one knows why many sponsors take up to $50 for a wire?

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Nicky

No one knows why many sponsors take up to $50 for a wire?

International wires usually cost $35 + to foreign countries.

It's usually a lot bigger of a pain in the ass to send someone a wire vs automatically cutting them a check.

[OneWhoKnows]

Originally Posted by will76

I understand, for what ever reason, that banks in some countries don't like checks and charge fees to deposit them, but it is THOSE countries that is making things difficult for their people, so those people should be a little more flexible, and if needed *gasp* have multiple cards, use another bank, do something.

Well, that would be about every country besides the US and Canada.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

This is fucking stupid. If your backwards ass country is too stupid to handle a check it is not the sponsors fault. If your sponsor wants reimbursement for having to spend time dealing with a wire and for the money it costs them then good. Get a real fucking bank account or move somewhere that isn't in the dark ages.

So yeah, us Europeans should really ask people from your backwards ass country to start being a little more flexible, as opposing to you we already got out of the dark ages, so wires in and between our countries are free.

PS: Sorry to all smart US citizens in here. I know not everyone in the States is an ignorant moron like will76 or stocktrader23 who doesn't know what happens outside of his own country.

[OneWhoKnows]

Originally Posted by reformednanpa

Ask a european how grandmas over there include a check inside a birthday card they mail to their grandchildren --- I mean, it isn't safe to include cash is it? It's a real mystery to me,... I really want to know... Once we figure that out, everything else about understanding the "no checks" thing will follow

Well, personally just the card is enough for me - as I really like the wire I get each b-day and x-mas from my granny.

[datatank]

Welcome to 2006 Will
Atleast then a few affiliates would actually send sales to make that whining worth it hehe

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by OneWhoKnows

Well, that would be about every country besides the US and Canada.



So yeah, us Europeans should really ask people from your backwards ass country to start being a little more flexible, as opposing to you we already got out of the dark ages, so wires in and between our countries are free.

PS: Sorry to all smart US citizens in here. I know not everyone in the States is an ignorant moron like will76 or stocktrader23 who doesn't know what happens outside of his own country.

Hey dumbass, it is your banks that are in the dark ages. Wires are a bigger pain in the ass to send than a check. You deposit a check they scan it and put it in your account. You cash a check they scan it and give you money. You send a wire you have to fill out a fucking form and let someone punch it in. Even if this were free it's still more of a time fuck than a check is at any reasonable bank.

Banks can clear checks now immediately, this has been going on since 2004. Shitty banks like to hold up your money so they make interest. Foreign banks that aren't with the program have to mail the physical check to the bank it is drawn on. It is THOSE BANKS that need to wake the fuck up.

A check is a string of God damned numbers. It is similar to a wire in every way except that your stupid ass banks act like retards when they see one. Go bitch at them.