I'm starting to agree with program owners, most affiliates are whiney, demanding, etc. - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Nathan · 10-17-2010, 09:45 AM

Stocktrader, but thats because us Banks are in the stone ages, not why european ones are ;)

In a European bank it will take you usually 5 minutes to send 5000 wires, both inner country, eu and international. That includes logging into their banking backend and such.

Sending 10000 will take around 2 seconds longer...

Talk about backwards ass country!

The wires all cost well below 10 eur too. High speed wires inside of the eu cost around 7 eur and arrive in 40 minutes, guaranteed. Arrive means credited to the receiver account with a same day value date.

Either way, checks cost money in Europe to cash simply because eu banks are not connected to the us banking systems. Some few banks in the eu actually setup a connection to the ach network and convert paper checks to ach payments making them much fastrrvabd cheaper. They just do not do it for everyone...

OneWhoKnows · 10-17-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

You cash a check they scan it and give you money. You send a wire you have to fill out a fucking form and let someone punch it in. Even if this were free it's still more of a time fuck than a check is at any reasonable bank.

Dude, really... If you got absolutely no clue about banking systems in other countries than your own, why don't you just stfu?

I login to the online banking system of my bank, fill in the number of recipient's bank and his account number, along with the desired amount and a memo, if necessary. On the next day, or after 2 days if his bank is slow, it's on his account. Really unbelievable that you still have paper forms for wires in the US.

Machete_ · 10-17-2010, 09:47 AM

Will76, you are the biggest whiner on this board. You whine about everything.

Get your periods in check.

Nicky · 10-17-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

International wires usually cost $35 + to foreign countries.

It's usually a lot bigger of a pain in the ass to send someone a wire vs automatically cutting them a check.

So you guy's have the same dilemma with wires that we have with foreign checks? A wire takes 1min(if I don't have bulk setup like companies have) to send from my computer here at home to any one in the world and the cost is $7 with a 2 day arrival time if outside the EU.

stocktrader23 · 10-17-2010, 10:00 AM

For sponsors in here, a little birdy tells me international wires can be sent for $5 from here.

http://www.afex.com/

Klen · 10-17-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

For sponsors in here, a little birdy tells me international wires can be sent for $5 from here.

http://www.afex.com/

A lot of sponsors charges more for wire beacuse they charge service as well.

The Porn Nerd · 10-17-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CunningStunt

The first 2 posters suck each other's cocks and live in douche city.

Hah - I ran for Mayor of Douche City last year but lost to FatFoo. Sigh.

Dollarmansteve · 10-17-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Affiliates have every right to chose how they are paid, we are the payee's, we are owed money. It is not a right to get traffic from us it is a privilege. Charging us a 'fee' to pay us money that is owed is ridiculous, does this happen in any other business?\

If somebody wants special treatment, then they should have to pay fees associated with that, but that's it.

wrong. Affiliate traffic is a commodity.

wrong. You are simply a vendor - for example, in many businesses payment is made via a credit card and the vendor pays 1.5 - 3.5% processing, thus "paying" to get paid.

The issue is this: 95% of affiliates are not business people - they are just worker-bees who invest sweat equity in return for a commission. Most add little to no value, and risk little to none of their own capital. They are simply brokers earning money due to the long-tail nature of internet traffic, i.e. asymmetrical information and traffic distribution.

Did I say *all* affiliates? No. did i say most? Yes. Adult affiliates are delusional.

Alprazolam · 10-17-2010, 01:42 PM

Most affiliates for most sponsors don't send more than a sale a week. The people who send real traffic never want anything. It's the little peons that run around like they're traffic gods that barely send a sale a month that are beating their chests all the time. The more an affiliate whines, the less traffic they have. Fact.

Alprazolam · 10-17-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Tell your power supplier this month there will be a $2 check fee when you pay your bill this month.

Ask your host if they mind paying a $4 CC fee when you pay your invoice this month.

While you're at it, send a list of possible payment options to your registrar, ask them if they prefer getting paid check $2 fee, or bank wire ($50 fee). See if they don't tell you to fuck off.

Absolutely NO reason to charge me a fee to pay me money that I am owed. Period.

your comparisons couldn't be more delusional.

Brujah · 10-17-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

whine. whine. whine.

Affiliates have traffic. They can sell it to anyone. Anyone. If you want to buy it, you increase your chances by making it convenient and easy for them to be paid.

tony286 · 10-17-2010, 01:50 PM

If a sponsor said no epassporte and you stuck by him. you would be very happy at the moment. Im shocked no one set up a payment system that charged a low fee and was rock solid not in some tax haven. Oh wait then people would bitch about all the info they would have to give.

seeandsee · 10-17-2010, 02:13 PM

I just found "pending" payout on juggcash, i had epass before and 100min, and now i changed to check with 50$ min, and i see 2 sales so i will get check next payperiod, lol checks are good

Cheap · 10-17-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamteam

Will, ... listen.

Sponsors do what I say. If not .. i'm gone.
I completely understand that we both have to make money, but sponsors will not dictate me how I can be paid.

They want my traffic and my sales? Fine ... I don't ask too much.
Otherwise I'm sorry. Then I go somewhere else.

I send my sales to a sponsor and then hopefully after 4 to 6 weeks I'm getting paid. So it's more that I have to trust a sponsor and not the other way around.

A sponsor have to keep me on board. They have to do whats needed to earn my sales.

So shut the fuck up about this whole shit because you have no idea what you're talking about man.

When I hear all this shit then maybe I have to send X-mass gifts to the sponsors I work with

door words man

borked · 10-17-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Stocktrader, but thats because us Banks are in the stone ages, not why european ones are ;)

In a European bank it will take you usually 5 minutes to send 5000 wires, both inner country, eu and international. That includes logging into their banking backend and such.

Sending 10000 will take around 2 seconds longer...

Talk about backwards ass country!

The wires all cost well below 10 eur too. High speed wires inside of the eu cost around 7 eur and arrive in 40 minutes, guaranteed. Arrive means credited to the receiver account with a same day value date.

Either way, checks cost money in Europe to cash simply because eu banks are not connected to the us banking systems. Some few banks in the eu actually setup a connection to the ach network and convert paper checks to ach payments making them much fastrrvabd cheaper. They just do not do it for everyone...

I think I'll just quote this for truth, cos it costs me ?0 to wire to anyone in the world and as an automated process (if I ever had the bulk to necessitate automation) would take all of 1 second to authorise the outgoing transfers. But it will cost me ?30 to cash a US$ cheque and ?15 to receive a US wire. ?0 for either in euros.

So, let's say a US business charging $50 to send out an international wire... if they were to send that out in ?uros, that would cost nothing to receive. Charging $50 to send out a US$ wire will cost the affiliate $50 + ?15.

Sly · 10-17-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Tell your power supplier this month there will be a $2 check fee when you pay your bill this month.

Ask your host if they mind paying a $4 CC fee when you pay your invoice this month.

While you're at it, send a list of possible payment options to your registrar, ask them if they prefer getting paid check $2 fee, or bank wire ($50 fee). See if they don't tell you to fuck off.

Absolutely NO reason to charge me a fee to pay me money that I am owed. Period.

Your power supplier does pay a fee, that's why many do not take credit cards. It costs too much money and they simply don't have to.

Your hosting company does pay a fee to receive your money. How do you pay your hosting company? PayPal? They get charged a fee. Credit card? They get charged a fee.

stocktrader23 · 10-17-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Your power supplier does pay a fee, that's why many do not take credit cards. It costs too much money and they simply don't have to.

Your hosting company does pay a fee to receive your money. How do you pay your hosting company? PayPal? They get charged a fee. Credit card? They get charged a fee.

My power supplier charges $2.95 for the paperless option of paying online.

Sly · 10-17-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

My power supplier charges $2.95 for the paperless option of paying online.

Right, mine does too. I can pay them by check at no charge, same with direct deposit (which is what I do.) Credit cards and even cashiers checks I get charged a couple dollar fee.

will76 · 10-17-2010, 06:47 PM

Just got back to the PC since I made this thread and nice to see it turn into an educated discussion.

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Originally Posted by Nicky

The only thing I actually wonder about is sponsors charging $50 for a wire? Not that It bothers me that much but how come? Sending an international wire for me cost's $7 and I'm not even a sponsor that do them in bulk and should get lower fee's. Anyone have some info on this?

You should know that fees will vary from bank to bank and from location to location. I believe the international wires I send cost $35.

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Originally Posted by closer

I was expecting a better rant than this

please feel free to add to it.

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Originally Posted by Dreamteam

Will, ... listen.

Sponsors do what I say. If not .. i'm gone.
I completely understand that we both have to make money, but sponsors will not dictate me how I can be paid.

They want my traffic and my sales? Fine ... I don't ask too much.
Otherwise I'm sorry. Then I go somewhere else.

I send my sales to a sponsor and then hopefully after 4 to 6 weeks I'm getting paid. So it's more that I have to trust a sponsor and not the other way around.

A sponsor have to keep me on board. They have to do whats needed to earn my sales.

So shut the fuck up about this whole shit because you have no idea what you're talking about man.

When I hear all this shit then maybe I have to send X-mass gifts to the sponsors I work with

all of your posts to me are so personal, I feel so special. You put so much effort and thought on trying to teach me how to be a better GFY poster. I should make you my GFY life couch. It's amazing you have 200 posts and have been here for a couple months but yet you have dedicated a good portion of your time here trying to educate me on how I am doing things on GFY so wrong. I am so honored you take so much of your time to help me try to be a better person here. Please continue, I value your opinion so much. Is it ok if I consult you in the future before I post, maybe you can proof read my posts for me before hand?

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Originally Posted by OneWhoKnows

PS: Sorry to all smart US citizens in here. I know not everyone in the States is an ignorant moron like will76 or stocktrader23 who doesn't know what happens outside of his own country.

honestly, why the fuck should I know what happens out side of my country and how every other country does things. That helps me make money how. I get to cash checks for freeeeee! I love how its considered "dark ages" because the other countries decided not to use them. Well guess what when most of the companies you promote are NOT located in the US, and the majority of the affiliates and customers are NOT located in the US then you guys can declare that checks are obsolete and force the rest of us to comply. Until then, checks are what most companies use, if your country is so advanced that it cost you to play with the rest us than that is your fucking problem, not mine.

will76 · 10-17-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

wrong. Affiliate traffic is a commodity.

wrong. You are simply a vendor - for example, in many businesses payment is made via a credit card and the vendor pays 1.5 - 3.5% processing, thus "paying" to get paid.

The issue is this: 95% of affiliates are not business people - they are just worker-bees who invest sweat equity in return for a commission. Most add little to no value, and risk little to none of their own capital. They are simply brokers earning money due to the long-tail nature of internet traffic, i.e. asymmetrical information and traffic distribution.

Did I say *all* affiliates? No. did i say most? Yes. Adult affiliates are delusional.

you sure swung that to the other end of the spectrum. I like to think that most affiliates (that make decent money, not 1 sale a month part timers) are also "business" owners. We operate a business, have people working for us, have over head etc... no different that an affiliate program, just smaller scale. Affiliates sending traffic to a company is a B2B transaction. It should be a win win for both parties. Affiliates aren't brokers, etc..

Idiots can call themselves affiliates and idiots can "go start an affiliate program" and call themselves an owner. It's not even worth mentioning the people who don't make sales, but for the affiliates who do you are off on your assessments.

Sly · 10-17-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

So you guy's have the same dilemma with wires that we have with foreign checks? A wire takes 1min(if I don't have bulk setup like companies have) to send from my computer here at home to any one in the world and the cost is $7 with a 2 day arrival time if outside the EU.

Wires do vary greatly by bank. My small little credit union charges $15, where I know some of the larger national ones charge roughly $50. So yeh, somewhat of a similar dilemma. There really is no "easy answer", it's so crazy for that to be true in our new digital age but that's the way it is.

signupdamnit · 10-17-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

wrong. Affiliate traffic is a commodity.

wrong. You are simply a vendor - for example, in many businesses payment is made via a credit card and the vendor pays 1.5 - 3.5% processing, thus "paying" to get paid.

The issue is this: 95% of affiliates are not business people - they are just worker-bees who invest sweat equity in return for a commission. Most add little to no value, and risk little to none of their own capital. They are simply brokers earning money due to the long-tail nature of internet traffic, i.e. asymmetrical information and traffic distribution.

Did I say *all* affiliates? No. did i say most? Yes. Adult affiliates are delusional.

Actually full timers tend to be business people because there are significant costs involved. Most of us aren't running on free hosts. Many of us have our own servers and other costs. There is an investment involved and a certain return expected.

I think there is a tendency among sponsors to marginalize affiliates and when that happens I think the affiliate is simply better off sending the traffic to someone else. Many sponsors and reps think exactly as you do, yet their entire business (and brand) was mostly built by affiliates. It tends to come about in part from the desire to want to increase one's own bottom line. They look around and see affiliates as a cost rather than asset. The justification becomes "affiliates don't deserve this much anyway" and so they take something from the affiliate and rationalize it.

- One sponsor I know of once openly stated on his webmaster message board that he was basically cutting the recurring commissions for affiliates because "He had to do something to keep us motivated enough to send new sales (instead of relying on rebills)." He was not joking.

- Another sponsor I know of once posted on a certain forum topic which was number one on Google for the best term in a niche that "people shouldn't click on affiliate links, instead they should click on his link" because "let them shoot their own content and open their own sites instead. They don't deserve money." Of course the affiliates were already there long before his post. The same guy also once sent me an email telling me that I had to "let him post on forums I owned (without my refcode) if I wanted to make sales". I ignored him. This person still has an affiliate program today.

There are some real scumbag sponsors out there. The second an affiliate sees a sponsor attempt to make excuses to justify short changing (or otherwise minimizing their worth) them they would be best advised to *immediately* stop doing business with them because chances are they will screw you if they are not doing so already. Where there is smoke there is usually fire. Be warned.

willwank · 10-17-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

They are simply brokers earning money due to the long-tail nature of internet traffic, i.e. asymmetrical information and traffic distribution.

When did running any kind of brokerage stop being a business? Sure, you can suck at it, operate out of your moms basement with no biz cred what-so-ever or you can run it out of a modest suite in Oakville with a cpl of employees to pick up the slack where you suck yourself. I don't want to comment on your percentages, I really have no clue.

Yes, affiliate traffic is a commodity. Traffic is a commodity all need to source, and it comes at a cost.

NickB. · 10-17-2010, 11:14 PM

We will always do our outmost best to get the affiliates what they need

10-17-2010, 09:45 AM	#51
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Stocktrader, but thats because us Banks are in the stone ages, not why european ones are ;) In a European bank it will take you usually 5 minutes to send 5000 wires, both inner country, eu and international. That includes logging into their banking backend and such. Sending 10000 will take around 2 seconds longer... Talk about backwards ass country! The wires all cost well below 10 eur too. High speed wires inside of the eu cost around 7 eur and arrive in 40 minutes, guaranteed. Arrive means credited to the receiver account with a same day value date. Either way, checks cost money in Europe to cash simply because eu banks are not connected to the us banking systems. Some few banks in the eu actually setup a connection to the ach network and convert paper checks to ach payments making them much fastrrvabd cheaper. They just do not do it for everyone... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

10-17-2010, 10:00 AM	#55
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10-17-2010, 09:47 AM	#53
Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	Will76, you are the biggest whiner on this board. You whine about everything. Get your periods in check.

10-17-2010, 01:42 PM	#59
Alprazolam So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 864	Most affiliates for most sponsors don't send more than a sale a week. The people who send real traffic never want anything. It's the little peons that run around like they're traffic gods that barely send a sale a month that are beating their chests all the time. The more an affiliate whines, the less traffic they have. Fact.

10-17-2010, 01:50 PM	#62
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	If a sponsor said no epassporte and you stuck by him. you would be very happy at the moment. Im shocked no one set up a payment system that charged a low fee and was rock solid not in some tax haven. Oh wait then people would bitch about all the info they would have to give.

10-17-2010, 11:14 PM	#74
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	We will always do our outmost best to get the affiliates what they need