COLLEGE KIDS: How does it feel the social elite lied to you turning you into slaves?

[MetaMan]

What is it like being lied to by a social elite that is only out to teach you skills that will only make you a slave?

They even make you pay to learn how to become a slave. it is pure genius!

I know tons of kids who used to tell me how they were "guaranteed" 80k out of college.

when will people wakeup?

[woj]

without college education, only hope of earning any decent $$ is by starting some business, and that path isn't for everyone...

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by woj

without college education, only hope of earning any decent $$ is by starting some business, and that path isn't for everyone...

Decent salary? Have you looked at anything outside your own house for the past 4 years?

its funny these college kids are to good for a "decent salary". they would rather be broke than work at mcdonalds.

where are these "decent salaries" you speak of? all the college kids i know are making complete crap and the ones i know the USA have no job.

businesses are paying the people with 4 years experience over 4 years in school now. it has always been like that dont be fooled please.

[woj]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Decent salary? Have you looked at anything outside your own house for the past 4 years?

its funny these college kids are to good for a "decent salary". they would rather be broke than work at mcdonalds.

where are these "decent salaries" you speak of? all the college kids i know are making complete crap and the ones i know the USA have no job.

businesses are paying the people with 4 years experience over 4 years in school now. it has always been like that dont be fooled please.

it's a tough economic climate now, but when things recover they will make $80k/year as planned, while their non-college educated friends will continue shoveling shit for $20/hr for the rest of their lives...

[scottybuzz]

Since when does going to university force you to get a job? As far as I am aware more people are "slaves" when they leave school at 16.

[marketsmart]

i thought Abraham Lincoln abolished slavery?




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[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by woj

it's a tough economic climate now, but when things recover they will make $80k/year as planned, while their non-college educated friends will continue shoveling shit for $20/hr for the rest of their lives...

"when it recovers"

they are systematically choking everyone out. What do you think "bailouts" are? It is saying WE ARE FUCKED, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE EVERYONE POORER SLOWLY.

you dont just collapse an entire economy. you make people poorer, slower over time. So as they see people around them also getting poorer at the same pace they are less likely to question things.

How can you guarantee a future of making $80k when the current economic situation has already proven you wrong?

those "college" educated kids will be starving to death as the "poor kids" become the survivors.

you dont know anything at this point. the college kids are in massive debt, they are enslaved for the rest of their lives. especially as it gets worst. you somehow think a college kids with massive debt and 0 work experience is going to better off? you really think the recovery is going to be here in 1-5 years?

if 5 years time the stuff they learnt in college will be obsolete in the first place. how will they be better off?

please tell me how you guarantee this 80k a year?

[woj]

Look at BLS statistics for example: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm
college graduates seem to be in much better position, than high school grads?

Unemployment rate:
Less than a high school diploma: 15.4%
High school graduates, no college 10%
Bachelor's degree and higher 4.4%


yup education is for suckers

[Machete_]

Why don't you tell us how it feels like to discover that when you're already 40 and used up.

Also, wakeup is not a word.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by woj

Look at BLS statistics for example: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm
college graduates seem to be in much better position, than high school grads?

Unemployment rate:
High school graduates, no college 10%
Bachelor's degree and higher 4.4%

well duh, when you manicure a system to do that it will DO THAT.

come back to this thread in a few years time.

[cosis]

I do not see anything recovering soon

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by woj

Unemployment rate:
Less than a high school diploma: 15.4%
High school graduates, no college 10%
Bachelor's degree and higher 4.4%
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UNEMPLOYMENT RATE means shit. dont you get it 90% of these college kids are "to good" to be on unemployment.

dont you have to have a job to then seek unemployment in the first place?

[Profits of Doom]

There are plenty of fields where you can still get a job and an excellent income straight out of college. My sister recently completed her RN nursing degree, and there are hospitals fighting for her and offering her sizable signing bonuses. Many health care fields have a shortage of qualified applicants. The days of getting a degree in art history and then landing a high paying job right out of college are over, but if you stick to a specialty field like health care, engineering, etc. you will still do very well...

[woj]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

UNEMPLOYMENT RATE means shit. dont you get it 90% of these college kids are "to good" to be on unemployment.

dont you have to have a job to then seek unemployment in the first place?

and you are basing that on what? few loser friends that you have?

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

There are plenty of fields where you can still get a job and an excellent income straight out of college. My sister recently completed her RN nursing degree, and there are hospitals fighting for her and offering her sizable signing bonuses. Many health care fields have a shortage of qualified applicants. The days of getting a degree in art history and then landing a high paying job right out of college are over, but if you stick to a specialty field like health care, engineering, etc. you will still do very well...

you are right on the money.

but i bet you she went because she WANTED to become a nurse.

there are some fields which you do indeed need education. But the way society blankets a thought process of school over experiencing is long gone. no one can afford that 5 year risk on a student anymore.

the only places you will slip in is in a government funded job.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by woj

and you are basing that on what? few loser friends that you have?

nice try at deflecting the question.

do you not have to be formerly employed to be on unemployment?

welfare and unemployment are different. correct me if im wrong. if you do not have to be employed then your thought process just proved my point.

and no i am not friends with you. and no i dont want to be friends with losers. and yes i like you anyway.

[Riffhard]

Originally Posted by woj

without college education, only hope of earning any decent $$ is by starting some business, and that path isn't for everyone...

Not really. There are apprenticeships, culinary schools, technical schools, etc...

[woj]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

nice try at deflecting the question.

do you not have to be formerly employed to be on unemployment?

welfare and unemployment are different. correct me if im wrong. if you do not have to be employed then your thought process just proved my point.

and no i am not friends with you. and no i dont want to be friends with losers. and yes i like you anyway.

I don't think past employment matters, you have to be unemployed AND looking for work...

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by woj

I don't think past employment matters, you have to be unemployed AND looking for work...

you didnt answer my question:

Originally Posted by woj

Unemployment rate:
Less than a high school diploma: 15.4%
High school graduates, no college 10%

you dont "think" but you are quick to post stats. i appreciate the convo though.

do you not have to be unemployed first of all to then go and apply for unemployment?

so how are college kids who have never had a job applying for unemployment? please explain this to me. that is not what unemployment insurance is.

do you not see the point?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by woj

without college education, only hope of earning any decent $$ is by starting some business, and that path isn't for everyone...

So fucking TRUE DAT.

[TylerBang]

Its all true.

Yes, you can graduate with a 4 or more years degree and be jobless with huge debt to repay, and this is happening more and more.

Yes you can go to nursing school for RN or LVN, tech school..etc, graduate and have hospitals/MfgCo's offering you 60-80k to start.

Yes, everyone seems to be fighting for a few Govt. Jobs and unless you have an angle inside, you prob won't get it.

All true IMO.

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In the U.S.A. as far as I know, unemployment Ins. entitlement comes from previous employer/employee contribution.

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by woj

without college education, only hope of earning any decent $$ is by starting some business, and that path isn't for everyone...

I don't even have a high school diploma... I make six figures... not including my own business...

Don't buy the hype it's ALL about self motivation which, in turn, means self education.

[woj]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

you didnt answer my question:



you dont "think" but you are quick to post stats. i appreciate the convo though.

do you not have to be unemployed first of all to then go and apply for unemployment?

so how are college kids who have never had a job applying for unemployment? please explain this to me. that is not what unemployment insurance is.

do you not see the point?

I'm not an expert on employment statistics and don't know all the details... but it's my understanding that being eligible for unemployment benefits has nothing to do with the statistics I posted... the statistics simply show % of people unemployed, either you work, or you don't, whether you worked in the past is irrelevant...

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by woj

I'm not an expert on employment statistics and don't know all the details... but it's my understanding that being eligible for unemployment benefits has nothing to do with the statistics I posted... the statistics simply show % of people unemployed, either you work, or you don't, whether you worked in the past is irrelevant...

Most people don't understand that unemployment comes from your last employer... Unemployment is a racket in and of itself. Everyone here that employs anyone in the US knows exactly what I'm talking about :P

[Coup]

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[woj]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

Most people don't understand that unemployment comes from your last employer... Unemployment is a racket in and of itself. Everyone here that employs anyone in the US knows exactly what I'm talking about :P

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
explains how the data is collected

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by woj

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
explains how the data is collected

Indeed, I was referencing more about qualifying for unemployment (monies)..

Guess I misread, hhahah but I will say that the unemployment rate calculation by the gov has been called into question more than a few times

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by woj

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
explains how the data is collected

yes but to be UNEMPLOYED you have to be EMPLOYED first. i dont see how i am wrong?

"Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance "

to apply for unemployment you have to be EMPLOYED. that is how it is in canada as far as i know also.

so how does your above point prove me wrong is what i am asking. that is my exact point.

if you were not employed you would apply for WELFARE. major difference. that is how i see it anyway. im prob right as usual

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Decent salary? Have you looked at anything outside your own house for the past 4 years?

its funny these college kids are to good for a "decent salary". they would rather be broke than work at mcdonalds.

where are these "decent salaries" you speak of? all the college kids i know are making complete crap and the ones i know the USA have no job.

businesses are paying the people with 4 years experience over 4 years in school now. it has always been like that dont be fooled please.

its just a fact that just to get into the door for a lot of jobs you need that piece of paper. It may be totally meaningless and the person who has it might know nothing but its just what employers do to cut down on the amount of applicants.

Of course not all college/university grads go on to make good money. The big problem there is if everyone is going to college/university and everyone has expectations for a certain salary, well there are only so many of those kinds of jobs, even less right now, and obviously a good chunk of people will have no choice to settle for less at least in the temporary.

[woj]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

yes but to be UNEMPLOYED you have to be EMPLOYED first. i dont see how i am wrong?

"Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance "

to apply for unemployment you have to be EMPLOYED. that is how it is in canada as far as i know also.

so how does your above point prove me wrong is what i am asking. that is my exact point.

if you were not employed you would apply for WELFARE. major difference. that is how i see it anyway. im prob right as usual

That should say:

"Some people [incorrectly] think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance"

That's what many people think, but that is not the case... you do NOT need to be previously employed to be counted in these unemployment figures...

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its just a fact that just to get into the door for a lot of jobs you need that piece of paper. It may be totally meaningless and the person who has it might know nothing but its just what employers do to cut down on the amount of applicants.

Of course not all college/university grads go on to make good money. The big problem there is if everyone is going to college/university and everyone has expectations for a certain salary, well there are only so many of those kinds of jobs, even less right now, and obviously a good chunk of people will have no choice to settle for less at least in the temporary.

I live in today. Not 5-10 years ago or even one.

Companies have thrown degrees out the window. They used to hire a balance of experienced workers with college grads. And the college grads would be trained for a 5-10 year plan.

When you dont know if you are going to be in business for 5-10 years. NO ONE knows for sure these days. You are less likely to risk money on a college grad and take the guy with more experience who has to degree because his experience can bring you money in the NOW.

it has 100% changed.

[Amputate Your Head]

sorry guys, i lost interest half way through.

[mechanicvirus]

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[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

What is it like being lied to by a social elite that is only out to teach you skills that will only make you a slave?

They even make you pay to learn how to become a slave. it is pure genius!

I know tons of kids who used to tell me how they were "guaranteed" 80k out of college.

when will people wakeup?

It feels ok. How does it feel to be a semi literate high school dropout?

[TCLGirls]

You're a slave, and will always be a slave, if you went to college for the sole purpose of getting a job. If that's the only reason you went to college, then you made a mistake...regardless of the economic climate.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

I live in today. Not 5-10 years ago or even one.

Companies have thrown degrees out the window. They used to hire a balance of experienced workers with college grads. And the college grads would be trained for a 5-10 year plan.

When you dont know if you are going to be in business for 5-10 years. NO ONE knows for sure these days. You are less likely to risk money on a college grad and take the guy with more experience who has to degree because his experience can bring you money in the NOW.

it has 100% changed.

there might be the exception or two but for the most part no one has changed what they require of applicants.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

there might be the exception or two but for the most part no one has changed what they require of applicants.

All i see and have heard is business owners bitching how they cannot find good help. With so many educated unemployed how is this hard to do?

things that make you go hmmmmm.

Originally Posted by cykoe6

It feels ok. How does it feel to be a semi literate high school dropout?

It feels amazing. When it is my turn to laugh I wont be laughing. Ill be to busy living my life.

im glad your college degree was able to bring a different opinion to this thread.

[timlover]

yes, where would we all be without the scientists,engineers,mathematicians, teachers...lol

oh yeah, it was called the middle ages....

boooo education.....yayyyy illiteracy.....

[dyna mo]

being one of the social elite, i have to agree with the op.

[biskoppen]

The whole world will be one big dictatorship within 25 years.. this global economic crisis is designed and all part of the plan..

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by timlover

yes, where would we all be without the scientists,engineers,mathematicians, teachers...lol

oh yeah, it was called the middle ages....

boooo education.....yayyyy illiteracy.....

why do you equate education with a COLLEGE KID?
so only "educated" people go to school LOL.

There are many forms of gaining an education.

Many of histories leading scientists/engineers/mathematicians/teachers were chastised and forced to gain education in a more personal underground fashion.

Why do you think it is any difference these days?

Because the government tells you that you are getting educated you are?

College breeds ignorance not education. many great thinkers throughout time will also agree. When you make education completely a system for the select few. it becomes more about keeping people uneducated than further educating the population.

i can guarantee you the greatest thinkers of time including scientists/engineers/mathematicians/teacher were the best because they went AWAY from the norm. not because they learnt it in class.

[Why]

Originally Posted by woj

without college education, only hope of earning any decent $$ is by starting some business, and that path isn't for everyone...

BS.

many studies have shown that based on averages across the whole US, college graduates only make about $3k per year more then non college educated.

$3k x ~45 years = $135k over your whole working life, last i checked a four year degree was almost the same... add in interest and you didnt get ahead at all. plus you lost four years of being a productive part of society.

[scuba steve]

wow i'm shocked by a lot of the posts here. i'm pretty sure that overall, people with a college degree have 10x times more opportunities than those without.

of course there will always be exceptions to the rule-people will always cite dropouts of college to start tech businesses. but look at where they dropped out. harvard, stanford, etc. the fact that they left an top tier program should signal to you their intelligence.

i think the quote "college breeds ignorance not education" is such a stupid claim. college is what you make of it. you can go, waste your time and money or utilize it to your advantage. only someone that has been would understand that

[flashfire]

Metaman you have a point...especially in Alberta where someone with no education but a strong work ethic can make 80k easy...Oil Sands

[woj]

Originally Posted by Why

BS.

many studies have shown that based on averages across the whole US, college graduates only make about $3k per year more then non college educated.

$3k x ~45 years = $135k over your whole working life, last i checked a four year degree was almost the same... add in interest and you didnt get ahead at all. plus you lost four years of being a productive part of society.

lets see a link to one of those studies?

[Agent 488]

you didn't go to college. we get it. gain some true insight into your personality and see why this bothers you so much, instead of wearing your insecurity on your sleeve.

you are a broken mess, we get it. stop posting.

[VikingMan]

The world has shifted and American workers are more and more having to compete in a global marketplace. Problem is that the average non-American college graduate knows several languages, has traveled to many other countries (going to Cancun for spring break does not count), and is much more aware of the world than the average American graduate.

[dyna mo]

the op is right, social elite all have only high school diploma or g.e.d. equivalent.


wake up non-social elites!

[dyna mo]

we have a lot of high school drop outs too but we make them sit at the kiddie table

[moeloubani]

i went to school and if i could go back i would do the same thing

it's not just about what you learn, its' about the people you meet, the atmosphere, the work ethic it builds