Vendzilla

Already seeing in the news about voting machines already casting votes and votes changing, I just wonder what it's going to be like this time after the election, I wonder also if the Black Panthers or similar groups will be showing up outside the polling centers?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

ThunderBalls

You mean like the intimidation going on from tea baggers right now by placing these billboards in the minority sections of cities?





?Voter fraud. It?s a felony.? So reads the ?wanted? poster?style type on new fliers being distributed by Republican and tea party groups ahead of election day. What they don?t say is it?s also exceedingly rare. As Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison characterizes such efforts as ?voter intimidation? ? citing distribution of posters in traditionally DFL-leaning areas like college campuses and bus stops in lower-income neighborhoods ? Hennepin County provides the Minnesota Independent with data that shows only .00006 percent of votes cast in 2008 were done so fraudulently.

http://minnesotaindependent.com/7293...-fraud-is-rare


Or this?

Poll watchers in Harris County, Texas -- where a Tea Party group launched an aggressive anti-voter fraud effort -- were accused of "hovering over" voters, "getting into election workers' faces" and blocking or disrupting lines of voters who were waiting to cast their ballots as early voting got underway yesterday.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...y_expanded.php

ThunderBalls

Oh and the black panther issue was something fabricated by FOX News, how does it feel to be played by Hannity?


Forget about the New Black Panther Party case; it is very small potatoes. Perhaps the Panthers should have been prosecuted under section 11 (b) of the Voting Rights Act for their actions of November 2008, but the legal standards that must be met to prove voter intimidation ? the charge ? are very high.

In the 45 years since the act was passed, there have been a total of three successful prosecutions. The incident involved only two Panthers at a single majority-black precinct in Philadelphia. So far ? after months of hearings, testimony and investigation ? no one has produced actual evidence that any voters were too scared to cast their ballots. Too much overheated rhetoric filled with insinuations and unsubstantiated charges has been devoted to this case.

A number of conservatives have charged that the Philadelphia Black Panther decision demonstrates that attorneys in the Civil Rights Division have racial double standards. How many attorneys in what positions? A pervasive culture that affected the handling of this case? No direct quotations or other evidence substantiate the charge.

Thomas Perez, the assistant attorney general for civil rights, makes a perfectly plausible argument: Different lawyers read this barely litigated statutory provision differently. It happens all the time, especially when administrations change in the middle of litigation. Democrats and Republicans seldom agree on how best to enforce civil-rights statutes; this is not the first instance of a war between Left and Right within the Civil Rights Division.

The two Panthers have been described as ?armed? ? which suggests guns. One of them was carrying a billy club, and it is alleged that his repeated slapping of the club against his palm constituted brandishing it in a menacing way. They have also been described as wearing ?jackboots,? but the boots were no different from a pair my husband owns.

A disaffected former Justice Department attorney has written: ?We had indications that polling-place thugs were deployed elsewhere.? ?Indications?? Again, evidence has yet to be offered.

Get a grip, folks. The New Black Panther Party is a lunatic fringe group that is clearly into racial theater of minor importance. It may dream of a large-scale effort to suppress voting ? like the Socialist Workers Party dreams of a national campaign to demonstrate its position as the vanguard of the proletariat. But the Panthers have not realized their dream even on a small scale. This case is a one-off.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ail-thernstrom

Vendzilla

No I mean like ACORN registering Mickey Mouse as a democrat

But hay, if you're against anyone complaining about voter fraud, thats cool too

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

IllTestYourGirls

So being anti-voting fraud is voter intimidation?

How about SEIU run voting machines auto picking Harry Reid?

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Vendzilla

So two guys standing outside a polling place with a weapon is ok with you, thats cool, It's not with me, but the justice dept threw it out after they were convicted by not showing up for court

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Brujah

There are 100+ million voters, so there's always going to be some conspiracy and fraud because a few zealots on both sides are just stupid like that. We should always make our best attempt to combat vote fraud and voter intimidation.

Does any nation have a better way of dealing with voting on such a large scale?

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Nikki_Licks

Looks like you won't need any ID to vote in AZ and we can count on endless fraud......you really have to love the stupid fucks on the 9th circuit panel, this country is going to shit real fast at the hands of people that should not be in a position to make any decisions.

The Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals yesterday threw out part of an Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote, but left standing a portion requiring registered voters to present proof of identification to cast a ballot.

A split three-judge panel ruled that the voter-registration portion of Proposition 200, which was approved by voters in 2004, was void as inconsistent with the National Voter Registration Act, otherwise known as the “Motor Voter’ law. However, the panel unanimously held that the identification requirement did not violate the U.S. Constitution or the Voting Rights Act.

Link to story:
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2010/gonz102710.htm

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ThunderBalls

Acorn, another fabricated FOX News issue.


ACORN Exonerated By Brooklyn District Attorney
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...trict-attorney


BTW, the majority of voter fraud convictions in the country came from republicans.

ThunderBalls

Its all about suppressing the vote because righties do better when people don't vote.

Vendzilla

Wow, they found a judge to let them go? Wonder how much that cost them?
What about all the other states they were charged?

And do you have anything to back up fraud convictions?

The truth is that Republicans try to push through state requirements for photos and other forms of voter identification, rules that depress turnout and impact elderly and minority voters?that is, Democrats?most seriously.

Only because conservatives are more likely to vote than liberals

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

ThunderBalls

This is where it gets to the point where debate turns into loony tunes.

Where?

Yep.

http://www.denverpost.com/commented/...commented-news
A report by the public-integrity section of the Justice Department found that from October 2002 to September 2005, the department charged 95 people with election fraud; 55 were convicted. Among those, fewer than 20 people were convicted of casting fraudulent ballots, and only five were convicted of registration fraud. Most of the rest were charged with other voting violations, including a scheme meant to help Republicans by blocking phone lines used by two voting groups that were arranging rides to get voters to the polls.



So it appears voter fraud is a HUGE problem in this country.

Good you see it, don't you have a problem with that?



Exactly. But the larger the turnout the more dems have the advantage, usually because of the minority vote and the younger vote, whereas conservatives are more passionate on a whole about voting and show up more consistently.

SallyRand

I have to show more ID to write a check than I do to get a voter registration card. Any warm body which says that it is 18 or older can get one without any proof of age or citizenship.