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Paul Markham · 11-01-2010, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Loki

I'll throw my few cents into the ring as it were....

I remember years back when this alllll started, and for a long time it was in fact the online porn industry that 'drove' the tech of the web, streaming video, live chat, flash multimedia all started in porn and then worked it's way into the 'mainstream' side of the web, mainstream in a sense would 'copy' from those it deemed to be the cancer killing the web.

But somewhere down the road we as a collective community got complacent, we stop being the innovators that we once were and we instead became stagnant, and we literally lost our stranglehold on the internet.

Now we are actually for the first time that I can remember BEHIND in the 'tech & innovations game'

What i find to be somewhat disturbing (and it was sort of already touched on here) is that NO ONE want's to try new things (or at least be the "first" to try something)

Case in point, a few years ago I developed what I dubbed C.V.M's (Custom Virtual Models) where I would take a series of photos and create a 3D Toon copy of ANY model (and you'd be hard pressed to see the real diff between the live and toon counterparts!)

I shopped it around to 10 companies and ALL of them said the same thing:

(1) Who else has gotten on board so far?
(2) Get back to me once a few more people have signed on

Long story short NO ONE got on board and I shelved the project, I brought it back a few months back and went to a handful of companies / models and I offered them a FREE starter package JUST so I would not hear (who else has done it so far) when I took it public, and even for FREE no one has yet to turn in the required content needed for me to create their virtual models.

The same thing has happened with other projects I've attempted to do over the years, in the end I hate to say it but the bulk of the ppl 'running the show' are just too damn lazy these days to care....... UNTIL their profits start to dip at least.

-Loki-

About 5 years ago I go the idea of doing live shoots that could be interactive with live chat and the shoots would include behind the scenes footage prior to the shoot and after and the shoots would get "very hot" all live on webcam and stored for the sites to keep and host in archives.

It would only be one scene a day, max two if it proved required.

Cost of doing it for one site was too high, unless it was a huge sponsor and they weren't interested. So I though about splitting it between a handful of sites. The interest was the same you had. No one copied it then. Now you see a few sites going to a live interaction and this will grow. It took showing them the precipice to make a few think.

But still the dominate model is getting content shot on the cheap and adding it to sites full of the same content.

Even my thread about bringing new twists on porn was met by little enthusiasm or other ideas.

Dodododa · 11-01-2010, 06:08 AM

Well I have an idea, but finding the technology to make it happen is a massive pain. I'm a web designer and have a beautiful layout sitting in photoshop. Bringing something new into production is a mammoth task however.

The tech gurus have the smarts, but they generally don't have the ground breaking innovation. The big ideas are had by dreamers who never stay focused long enough to learn the required skills to make the dreams happen. I bet some of the best ideas in the world are sitting dormant in people's "Projects" folder. I have like 100 subfolders in mine. :-)

3xTom · 11-01-2010, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodododa

. I bet some of the best ideas in the world are sitting dormant in people's "Projects" folder. I have like 100 subfolders in mine. :-)

Ain't that the truth.

stocktrader23 · 11-01-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodododa

Well I have an idea, but finding the technology to make it happen is a massive pain. I'm a web designer and have a beautiful layout sitting in photoshop. Bringing something new into production is a mammoth task however.

The tech gurus have the smarts, but they generally don't have the ground breaking innovation. The big ideas are had by dreamers who never stay focused long enough to learn the required skills to make the dreams happen. I bet some of the best ideas in the world are sitting dormant in people's "Projects" folder. I have like 100 subfolders in mine. :-)

I can usually get the tech and not the design.

stocktrader23 · 11-01-2010, 04:06 PM

Paul, you killed the thread!

Dodododa · 11-01-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I can usually get the tech and not the design.

Well if you know anyone who can customise a VOD site please let me know.

ahoy · 11-01-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

That's what I mean though, mainstream is so unbelievably huge that nobody knows all of the different ways to earn money from it. For instance, I know multiple people doing $1 to $3 per click as affiliates and they have the pile of traffic to make that more than just a small income. I studied mainstream techniques for 2+ years solid and I would say I don't even know 5% of the ways people are taking advantage of it. Every day I talk to someone else that does big money on something I've never even considered.

So I take it you are killing it with all these newly learned traffic sources?

jkthedesigner · 11-01-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

That's what I mean though, mainstream is so unbelievably huge that nobody knows all of the different ways to earn money from it. For instance, I know multiple people doing $1 to $3 per click as affiliates and they have the pile of traffic to make that more than just a small income. I studied mainstream techniques for 2+ years solid and I would say I don't even know 5% of the ways people are taking advantage of it. Every day I talk to someone else that does big money on something I've never even considered.

I'm in the same boat. I've been researching and I've got access to a lot of private forums and man there is always something new where people are making 30-50 sites and making $500 a week off of each and that is 100% white hat. Don't even get me started on black hat methods and the money in it.

Right now, mainstream is leaps and bounds ahead of the adult business. That is just what it is and you have to accept that. You can't blame the big guys for not growing because they didn't have to. Their income is pretty stagnant. And so would mainstream but they keep pushing the limits of it unlike us.

Contrasting most of this thread, there is a lot of stuff happening that you guys don't see. I know myself and a few others are developing some innovating sites and tools. None of which are released yet. Well one is in beta but good luck finding it

So yea... we are working behind closed doors right now.

But then again, people should have been working on stuff 5 years ago like we are now and released them already.

StockTrader, add me on ICQ. I'll hit you up when we're ready to get some opinions on things and new ideas. I'm open to new ideas. The whole business plan has gotten great responses from mainstream guys (meaning 3 senior level guys at one of the top 5 largest banks and a personal friend who was the head of marketing for one of the biggest email clients). If you want to talk early, you can sign a NDA. Otherwise, you'll have to wait to talk to our party. There are others that talk though. Just not us without being protected first.

plsureking · 11-02-2010, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jkthedesigner

..I've been researching and I've got access to a lot of private forums..there is a lot of stuff happening that you guys don't see. I know myself and a few others are developing some innovating sites and tools. None of which are released yet. Well one is in beta but good luck finding it

So yea... we are working behind closed doors right now..The whole business plan has gotten great responses from mainstream guys (meaning 3 senior level guys at one of the top 5 largest banks and a personal friend who was the head of marketing for one of the biggest email clients)...

ego alert

hey keep tooting your horn like that and they'll be making bash threads about you soon enough.

joined in august 2010 and is making new sites that will blow away the industry and crush the rest of us. hush hush tho, very secret. never heard that before..

jkthedesigner · 11-02-2010, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

ego alert

hey keep tooting your horn like that and they'll be making bash threads about you soon enough.

joined in august 2010 and is making new sites that will blow away the industry and crush the rest of us. hush hush tho, very secret. never heard that before..

Um I didn't say any of that...
Not once did I say it will blow the industry away and crush the rest of you... It won't and by no means do I want it to crush everybody else. But it is still a damn good plan and if it gets going right will be successful. You can't judge someone by their join date on a forum. Just look at some of the trolls running around here

stocktrader23 · 11-02-2010, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jkthedesigner

Um I didn't say any of that...
Not once did I say it will blow the industry away and crush the rest of you... It won't and by no means do I want it to crush everybody else. But it is still a damn good plan and if it gets going right will be successful. You can't judge someone by their join date on a forum. Just look at some of the trolls running around here

I have a quick story to tell you.

I made $20,000 to $25,000 per month working by myself. I joined GFY 2 years later an everyone laughed at my stuff. I was like damn, these millionaires are making fun of me, I need to get on the ball. Few weeks later I found out most of them were doing a few k per month.

The end.

stocktrader23 · 11-12-2011, 03:59 PM

Damn. This was a good thread, I must have been drunk. Brought out some old school as well.

11-01-2010, 04:06 PM	#55
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	Paul, you killed the thread! __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

11-12-2011, 03:59 PM	#62
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	Damn. This was a good thread, I must have been drunk. Brought out some old school as well. __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

11-01-2010, 06:08 AM	#52
Dodododa Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 239	Well I have an idea, but finding the technology to make it happen is a massive pain. I'm a web designer and have a beautiful layout sitting in photoshop. Bringing something new into production is a mammoth task however. The tech gurus have the smarts, but they generally don't have the ground breaking innovation. The big ideas are had by dreamers who never stay focused long enough to learn the required skills to make the dreams happen. I bet some of the best ideas in the world are sitting dormant in people's "Projects" folder. I have like 100 subfolders in mine. :-)