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Tickler · 10-30-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermes

I think it's important to discuss and list the exact negative effects of .xxx VS the proposed "benefits". Then if we use logical reasoning in all the feedback it should have much more weight than 1000 plain "I oppose" comments, because many people involved don't automaticly see the big picture.

I know I managed to get about 1/2 page in the ICANN summary by actually putting some effort into my comments.

Most of the people who only took the easy way and clicked a form mail just got shuffled into some summary totals.

ICANN Senior counsel post
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-rev.../msg00723.html

Summary and Analysis of Comments
http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-rev...gobMUikQOp.pdf

Barry-xlovecam · 10-31-2010, 12:41 AM

Offshore incorporation
Do a little dance the "Texas Sidestep:"

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2intense · 10-31-2010, 12:48 AM

NO .xxx

Dodododa · 10-31-2010, 05:23 AM

A website called ICMRegistry posted this:

ICM Registry welcomes approval of .XXX
ICM Registry is delighted to announce that the ICANN Board has approved the .xxx top-level domain. The decision should soon bring to fruition our six-year effort to create a specific Web address for online adult entertainment, and comes on the heels of an independent review that declared that ICANN’s previous decision to deny .xxx was wrong.

Chairman Stuart Lawley said of the decision: “It’s been a long time coming, but I’m excited about the fact that .xxx will soon become a reality. This is great news."

end quote.

Is it a scam site?

DDuke · 10-31-2010, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodododa

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Is it a scam site?

No, it is not a scam. You have found ICM?s real site. How, you might ask, despite all of the empirical evidence to the contrary, could Stuart declare .xxx a ?done deal?? The unfortunate answer is that the man is experiencing delusions of grandeur. Put quite simply, I don?t think that he is a well man.

u-Bob · 10-31-2010, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermes

like some mandatory html tag or file, without need to alter domain names.

There is no need for a mandatory anything.... You can already label your sites with rta/safesurf and other similar tags. A lot of people already do....

u-Bob · 10-31-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wild johnny

No I do not support .xxx

But I don't want to be standing around looking stupid either if it does come about. The decision whether it gets approved or not is way out of my hands.

The decision may be out of your hands, but your actions will help influence those who do make the decisions.

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Originally Posted by Redrob

As ICM has said that preregistrations will not be used as a sign of industry support, potentially, no serious harm was done.

the problem is that there is a big difference between what the ICM claims it will do and won't do and what it in reality does. They've already used the preregistrations as a sign of support.

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Originally Posted by wild johnny

I have voiced my opposition directly to Icann and other places. As directed by people at this forum that have posted links to organized opposition support places.

Just don't forget that posting something positive about .xxx on the boards (or something that could be perceived as positive) can be abused by the ICM to falsely claim they have our support. posting that you've preregistered domains without mentioning that you are against the .xxx tld is one of those things that could be abused.

Black All Through · 10-31-2010, 06:59 AM

Search engine rankings Zero
Government censuring simply by forcing ISP to to block the tld
Banning of adult keyword domains that use .com .net .org etc.
A slow but fatal infliction on the industry.

PAR · 10-31-2010, 07:24 AM

.xxx can eat a dick..

Kolargol · 10-31-2010, 07:32 AM

US senators? Why should the rest of the world care?

minicivan · 10-31-2010, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol

US senators? Why should the rest of the world care?

These guys are very long on paranoid conspiracy theories and very short on explanations as to how this would actually work, be implemented effectively globally, be enforced globally, never mind the simple issue of how a private US company is suddenly going to become the worlds porn police and force every porn site on the planet to one single tld - an act which not violates so many international laws and trade agreements that they couldn't even be counted but that has nothing to do with ICANN or any other international legal body. No even has legal jurisdiction or authority to make such a thing happen.

But hey, who cares about the tedious details? Spreading unfounded fears and Irrational paranoia to watch the herd scatter is much more fun.

ICANN's rules for allowing new TLDs have changed dramatically in the time the .xxx insanity started. Everyone here is in deep deep deep denial to believe there won't eventually be .xxx/.sex tld's anyway.

and btw Ubob... people have been pre-registering .xxx, .sex, .god and all kinds of idiotic tlds since way before Stewart Lawly came around. I remember this happening in 97/98 Just ask Gordon (aka Mr Integrity) from Domainnamesystems

MrRob · 10-31-2010, 08:12 AM

This is on the same moronic level as that Porngirl on twitter that wants to stop other Porngirls to share pix of themselves.

Für zee children!

u-Bob · 10-31-2010, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol

US senators? Why should the rest of the world care?

Let's take what is happing with Canadian Pharmacies as an example. Legitscript.com, a private US based company founded by a former member of the Bush administration, is taking down Canadian sites (sites that are legal in Canada) by convincing US based registrars (enom/namecheap for example) to suspended those domains based on US law and regulations.

Fabien · 10-31-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

* The ICM Registry has already stated that those are their intentions.
* At least 2 US senators have already proposed legislation to do exactly that.

Do I think they will succeed? No.

Do I think they'll keep trying? Yes.

Do I think they'll create a lot of problems trying? Yes.

Does fighting the .xxx proposal cost me money? No

Will the .xxx tld (if created) cost me money? Yes. (even as I am not planning on buying any .xxx domain)

Now can we PIN this answer as sigs for EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wild johnny · 10-31-2010, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

Just don't forget that posting something positive about .xxx on the boards (or something that could be perceived as positive) can be abused by the ICM to falsely claim they have our support. posting that you've preregistered domains without mentioning that you are against the .xxx tld is one of those things that could be abused.

I see your point...

Ron Bennett · 10-31-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by minicivan

These guys are very long on paranoid conspiracy theories and very short on explanations as to how this would actually work, be implemented effectively globally, be enforced globally, never mind the simple issue of how a private US company is suddenly going to become the worlds porn police and force every porn site on the planet to one single tld - an act which not violates so many international laws and trade agreements that they couldn't even be counted but that has nothing to do with ICANN or any other international legal body. No even has legal jurisdiction or authority to make such a thing happen.

.XXX is proposed as a "Sponsored top-level domain" (sTLD), which means the .XXX registry will be permitted to enforce various registration and usage rules. This is not some new thing - many other sTLDs, such as .aero, .museum, and .travel, have long enforced various restrictions globally.

See link below for more details about sTLDs ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsored_top-level_domain

In short, to reiterate, as a sTLD, the ICM .XXX registry will be able to enforce restrictions regarding registration and usage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by minicivan

But hey, who cares about the tedious details? Spreading unfounded fears and Irrational paranoia to watch the herd scatter is much more fun.

It's not irrational at all given human nature and past history.

As far as enforcement, it may not be just governments, but also private corporations, such as payment processors requiring adult sites to brand (ie. no .com landing pages, etc) and operate solely within .XXX.

Anyone doubting that's possible need only look at all the restrictions that payment processors already enforce, such as domains containing various words in them, such as "young", "lolita", "lolicon", etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by minicivan

ICANN's rules for allowing new TLDs have changed dramatically in the time the .xxx insanity started. Everyone here is in deep deep deep denial to believe there won't eventually be .xxx/.sex tld's anyway.

Don't be so sure of that. .WEB seemed like a sure thing - was even tentatively approved by the IANA back in the day; among the new TLDs proposed by Jon Postel so it had credibility - and yet .WEB has gone nowhere; .web is basically dead...

More info regarding .WEB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.web

While on that topic, .KIDS is another proposed sTLD which, ironically, has many similarities to the proposed .XXX sTLD, that has gone nowhere due to many of the same issues facing .XXX.

There's no doubt many more TLDs are coming, but it won't be anything goes nor will past history will be ignored - some proposed TLDs are damaged goods, likely never to see the light of day - .XXX, .KIDS, and .WEB all fall into that category.

Ron

minicivan · 10-31-2010, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

.XXX is proposed as a "Sponsored top-level domain" (sTLD), which means the .XXX registry will be permitted to enforce various registration and usage rules. This is not some new thing - many other sTLDs, such as .aero, .museum, and .travel, have long enforced various restrictions globally.

That has NOTHING to do with HOW anyone thinks that suddenly every version of sex.com, sex.net, sex.org, sex.ru, sex.co.uk etc is going to end up at sex.xxx. Obviously that can't happen and no one has a reasonable explanation as to how it can... taking into account actual international business and trade law, intellectual property law and trademark law.

You are really confusing this point. Everyone understands that .edu is reserved for accredited colleges and universities and that there are rules regarding its usage. But obviously no college or university is required to own a .edu domain. You are saying as an example that somehow every educational institution IN THE WORLD is going to be required to be on a .edu domain... even though its clearly not possible, clearly not enforceable and no one can put forth a reasonable manner in which this can be done thats fair to everyone, protects their business, marks/brands, legal rights and so on.

minicivan · 10-31-2010, 10:35 AM

And by the way, i'm not for or against .xxx - I just don't care. However, I have always found it a bit odd that with all the intelligent people in this biz, no one can put forth a better argument than "first they require you children to be inoculated against polio... which is obviously going to lead to government agents stealing your babies in the night".

Like every fight in this business, it lacks focus, it lacks organization and it lacks clear, easy to understand selling points that everyone can rally behind. When people have to keep asking questions, after so many years rather than instantly understand why something is wrong, its an indication that the message itself is failing miserably.

Zester · 10-31-2010, 12:48 PM

will .xxx affect non-us webmasters the same as us webmasters?

KillerK · 10-31-2010, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

I am sure many would find that a worthy cause.

Why aren't we blackballing XBiz then?

They stand to make millions from .XXX and supported it fully in the past.

Dodododa · 10-31-2010, 01:14 PM

So someone pays $30m for sex.com and someone else pays $10m for sex.net. Someone's going to have a broken heart, I guess.

They already have filtering software (that all 13 year olds know how to bypass), is having all the porn on one TLD really going to stop the proxy sites?

u-Bob · 10-31-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Zester

will .xxx affect non-us webmasters the same as us webmasters?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...5&postcount=63

JFK · 10-31-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PAR

.xxx can eat a dick..

may I quote you on that ?

Hermes · 10-31-2010, 08:18 PM

Looks like it's happening sooner or later, but shouldn't the discussion be about why everyone thinks it's going to be worse than all other voluntary self regulatory methods so far:

http://www.icmregistry.com/news/welcomeapproval.php

Quote:

Our expectation is that this step will proceed smoothly and will not impede the roll-out of .xxx and we expect to go live with .xxx domains at the start of 2011, if not sooner.

The .xxx domain will provide a place online for adult entertainment providers and their service providers who want to be part of our voluntary self regulatory community.

Redrob · 10-31-2010, 09:25 PM

Hermes, why would we want another regulatory scheme? They all seem to suck. Don't we have enough?

fatfoo · 10-31-2010, 09:35 PM

.xxx sounds good. With the .xxx name, the adult association is implied.

Hermes · 10-31-2010, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrob

Hermes, why would we want another regulatory scheme? They all seem to suck. Don't we have enough?

True that it's not useful to have too many regulatory schemes overlapping, but most of the comments seem to assume that this voluntary service will become more or less mandatory and "ruin" the whole industry. But if majority likes to stay with .com then why would .xxx be a threat to them? It is that question we need to explain to them if we don't want it to happen. Simple "I oppose" or "we don't need it" is not enough.

Redrob · 10-31-2010, 10:51 PM

Lest we forget, .XXX will not be voluntary is some people have their ways:

According to the Congressional Research Service records:

In past Congresses, two bills were introduced to require the Department of Commerce to compel ICANN to establish a mandatory top level domain name
(such as .xxx) for material that is deemed “harmful to minors.” The bills were S. 2426 (109th Congress), which was introduced by Senator Baucus, and S. 2137 (107th Congress), which was introduced by Senator Landrieu.

Hermes · 10-31-2010, 11:46 PM

Well it looks like voluntary .xxx will happen, wheter it turns to mandatory is another issue.

We wouldn't have this issue, if there were not so much free and unlabeled porn easily accessible online. If some kind of mandatory regulation will be approved one day, it will be because voluntary methods were not enough effective.

Then it will be mostly a technical issue, but I'd think that adding a simple tag to main index file or separate file in webroot, will be much easier and effective solution. Because forcing everyone to use .xxx will be impossible, but adding a simple file should be easy to do no matter how small player they are.

Redrob · 10-31-2010, 11:54 PM

This is from another thread, it is already happening.

Quote:

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The Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA) was introduced just one week ago, but it's greased and ready to move, with a hearing in front of the Judiciary Committee this Thursday. If people don't speak out, US citizens could soon find themselves joining Iranians and Chinese in being blocked from accessing broad chunks of the public Internet.

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COICA creates two blacklists of Internet domain names. Courts could add sites to the first list; the Attorney General would have control over the second. Internet service providers and others (everyone from Comcast to PayPal to Google AdSense) would be required to block any domains on the first list. They would also receive immunity (and presumably the good favor of the government) if they block domains on the second list.

The lists are for sites "dedicated to infringing activity," but that's defined very broadly -- any domain name where counterfeit goods or copyrighted material are "central to the activity of the Internet site" could be blocked.

One example of what this means in practice: sites like YouTube could be censored in the US. Copyright holders like Viacom often argue copyrighted material is central to the activity of YouTube, but under current US law, YouTube is perfectly legal as long as they take down copyrighted material when they're informed about it -- which is why Viacom lost to YouTube in court.

But if COICA passes, Viacom wouldn't even need to prove YouTube is doing anything illegal to get it shut down -- as long as they can persuade the courts that enough other people are using it for copyright infringement, the whole site could be censored.

Perhaps even more disturbing: Even if Viacom couldn't get a court to compel censorship of a YouTube or a similar site, the DOJ could put it on the second blacklist and encourage ISPs to block it even without a court order. (ISPs have ample reason to abide the will of the powerful DOJ, even if the law doesn't formally require them to do so.)

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u-Bob · 11-01-2010, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermes

True that it's not useful to have too many regulatory schemes overlapping, but most of the comments seem to assume that this voluntary service will become more or less mandatory and "ruin" the whole industry.

read the part about the legislation that has already been introduced.

u-Bob · 11-01-2010, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hermes

We wouldn't have this issue, if there were not so much free and unlabeled porn easily accessible online. If some kind of mandatory regulation will be approved one day, it will be because voluntary methods were not enough effective.

Like i said: if you are doing a search for rabbits and Google sends you to a porn site, who's to blame? The porn site or Google?

If you want to go to street A and your TomTom sends you to street C, who's to blame? Whoever happens to be living in street C or your TomTom?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hermes

Then it will be mostly a technical issue, but I'd think that adding a simple tag to main index file or separate file in webroot, will be much easier and effective solution. Because forcing everyone to use .xxx will be impossible, but adding a simple file should be easy to do no matter how small player they are.

You can already label your sites. Most people are already doing it.

Zester · 11-01-2010, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Let's take what is happing with Canadian Pharmacies as an example. Legitscript.com, a private US based company founded by a former member of the Bush administration, is taking down Canadian sites (sites that are legal in Canada) by convincing US based registrars (enom/namecheap for example) to suspended those domains based on US law and regulations.

US based company convincing US based registrar to suspend domains for sites that are hosted on Canada by Canadians is one thing.

what if the the registrar isn't US based, the site is hosted on a server in Canada and is operated by Canadians ?

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Dodododa Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 239	A website called ICMRegistry posted this: ICM Registry welcomes approval of .XXX ICM Registry is delighted to announce that the ICANN Board has approved the .xxx top-level domain. The decision should soon bring to fruition our six-year effort to create a specific Web address for online adult entertainment, and comes on the heels of an independent review that declared that ICANN’s previous decision to deny .xxx was wrong. Chairman Stuart Lawley said of the decision: “It’s been a long time coming, but I’m excited about the fact that .xxx will soon become a reality. This is great news." end quote. Is it a scam site?

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Dodododa Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 239	So someone pays $30m for sex.com and someone else pays $10m for sex.net. Someone's going to have a broken heart, I guess. They already have filtering software (that all 13 year olds know how to bypass), is having all the porn on one TLD really going to stop the proxy sites?

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,790	Lest we forget, .XXX will not be voluntary is some people have their ways: According to the Congressional Research Service records: In past Congresses, two bills were introduced to require the Department of Commerce to compel ICANN to establish a mandatory top level domain name (such as .xxx) for material that is deemed “harmful to minors.” The bills were S. 2426 (109th Congress), which was introduced by Senator Baucus, and S. 2137 (107th Congress), which was introduced by Senator Landrieu. Last edited by Redrob; 10-31-2010 at 10:52 PM..

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