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Barefootsies · 11-02-2010, 01:56 PM

Did you have a game plan beyond just making some money?

Depending on who you talk to, some wanted the following...
1. Work in Porn Industry because "it's Cool".
2. Make Better Money than You Could in the Real World.
3. Freedom to Be Your Own Boss.
4. Be the Bill Gates of Porn (innovation/riches).
5. Simply Fell Into It by Screwing Around Online,Led to Affiliate,.. Program, etc..

The point being, did you have a plan, or did you simply follow the money?

pornguy · 11-02-2010, 01:58 PM

A bit of all for me.

ottopottomouse · 11-02-2010, 02:29 PM

1. Never considered whether anything I have done "is cool".
2. Less motivated by money than by being happy with what i'm doing.
3. Own boss doesn't matter - I can work quite well under pressure from someone else too.
4. Not sure i'd want the negative attention Bill Gates gets.
5. Yep. Did a lot of reading first rather than diving in blind though.

LatinCams · 11-02-2010, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Did you have a game plan beyond just making some money?

Depending on who you talk to, some wanted the following...
1. Work in Porn Industry because "it's Cool".
2. Make Better Money than You Could in the Real World.
3. Freedom to Be Your Own Boss.
4. Be the Bill Gates of Porn (innovation/riches).
5. Simply Fell Into It by Screwing Around Online,Led to Affiliate,.. Program, etc..

The point being, did you have a plan, or did you simply follow the money?

It was points 2 - 3 and 5 for me

ShellyCrash · 11-02-2010, 02:30 PM

When I first started working in the industry I was a few months shy of turning 19. I didn't have a game plan, I wasn't looking that far ahead. I was attracted to the dark side because knew there was potential to make bigger bucks than I could make elsewhere, and to be honest, as a young punk rock kid I knew it was an industry where I wouldn't be as scrutinized for my appearance.

Barefootsies · 11-02-2010, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

When I first started working in the industry I was a few months shy of turning 19. I didn't have a game plan, I wasn't looking that far ahead. I was attracted to the dark side because knew there was potential to make bigger bucks than I could make elsewhere, and to be honest, as a young punk rock kid I knew it was an industry where I wouldn't be as scrutinized for my appearance.

Great stuff, includin the pic tootsie.

czarina · 11-02-2010, 02:37 PM

I had a plan since the beginning, but things changed rapidly and I had to change paths, so I pretty much followed the money after that. It's been a great ride so far and wouldn't trade it for anything!

goldflower · 11-02-2010, 02:37 PM

Girls , Girls , Girls

fuzebox · 11-02-2010, 02:39 PM

No plan, I just wanted to make money on my own so I could quit my dayjob... Tried a half dozen things and porn is the only one that stuck.

Yngwie · 11-02-2010, 02:39 PM

When I started in this industry I didn't know a damn thing. I just figured that it couldn't hurt to try something different and learn something new.

Roald · 11-02-2010, 02:41 PM

Followed the money! Friend of mine in uni had loads and he showed me how to do it.

Wizzo · 11-02-2010, 02:45 PM

When I started, I was just messing around trying to improve my skill set by learning some html as the whole internet was fairly new, found an article about porn, found porncity free host and made a 10pic tgp gallery with 2 Kara's Playground banners and submitted it anywhere I could find.

That gallery made me like $450 and it was on like DonkeyKong!

Barefootsies · 11-02-2010, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

A bit of all for me.

For me it was more about 'freedom'. Both creatively, and realistically.

I made good money in telco, and was already working online part time making a decent $X,XXX with a few hours after work. However, I am a creative person who simply does not work well being micromanaged in corporate America.

candyflip · 11-02-2010, 04:02 PM

When I started I just wanted something to make some extra money. I loved my job at the time, but it soon became a chore to go to work knowing I could sit home and make twice as much. So...I built my first sites and galleries and Yahoo groups from Work, getting paid to work on my own shit. I managed to do that for almost a year before they caught on...

At that point I was without a job and and needed to come up with an actual plan.

Jeremiasz · 11-02-2010, 04:06 PM

Started in 1999

I was 17 it was pure about money... in 2001 i was owner of biggest porn site in Poland

But i prefer to earn in $ ;)

LeRoy · 11-02-2010, 04:08 PM

#5 for me. I was pimpin hoes on CL and this seemed a bit better.

So I dove right in.

StinkyPink · 11-02-2010, 04:10 PM

I was sick and tired of looking at TGP's with wrong galleries in all the categories. So I decided I would make the ultimate TGP with real galleries in each category. Never knew how hard it would be to run a TGP and maintain it to my quality standards. Gave up on that when I learned you could make money submitting galleries. Went on to build galleries and was sure to submit them to the right categories. So I did my part to solve the problem I seen in the online adult biz.

I don't submit galleries anymore.

epitome · 11-02-2010, 04:16 PM

I was an REO (foreclosure) agent that was running 16 hours a day. After my third to last surgery in '08 I no longer had the energy I did before but got bored lying around so here I am.

Shot some porn in '02 but the group of us had issues back then ... in short was part of the entourage of a rich guy who started a porn company but we partied more than anything. Profit was never a motivator; having fun was.

First online business was loan lead generation. My partners worked directly with a bunch of banks and we'd post non-exclusive leads directly to their servers and then invoice them and get paid. That dried up and they now do the same thing for bankruptcy lawyers but I'm not around for that. I didn't make much because they provided the relationships and platform but I had to do everything else. I was working full-time at the time and was barely making enough to support myself so there wasn't much left over to invest in the business. They made and are making a killing though.

I never have a plan until after I start something and it works. I'm one of those throw it against the wall and see if it sticks types. Throw enough and something will stick. I rely a lot on intuition and luck and it seems to work well enough for me.

I wanted to be in this industry since I was 16, which was the mid-90's. I cannot help but to think how much I could have done if I started when I wanted to.

spazlabz · 11-02-2010, 04:19 PM

I got into the biz because I thought it would be a fun way to make a living... it has not disappointed. I did not enjoy getting up and getting ready and then going to work around people I didn't like in order to earn a buck. Most people I have met in this industry is very easy to spend time with.

Calico Jack · 11-02-2010, 04:22 PM

Fell into it really, started something for fun, it started paying so I kept on going. Learnt the hard way but it was worth it.

bolsex · 11-02-2010, 04:37 PM

I discovered adult biz while wank!!!
Joined ARS and started!
It was in 1999 (I think)

theking · 11-02-2010, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Did you have a game plan beyond just making some money?

Depending on who you talk to, some wanted the following...
1. Work in Porn Industry because "it's Cool".
2. Make Better Money than You Could in the Real World.
3. Freedom to Be Your Own Boss.
4. Be the Bill Gates of Porn (innovation/riches).
5. Simply Fell Into It by Screwing Around Online,Led to Affiliate,.. Program, etc..

The point being, did you have a plan, or did you simply follow the money?

Number five...then learned there was money to be made...so I invested some money into it...made money from it and sold it several years ago. It never was my primary business...but brought in a few hundred thousand a year extra with me doing little to nothing to earn it.

d-null · 11-02-2010, 04:40 PM

back in the early 90s I was experimenting with photoshop on Macs when that part of professional stripping and publishing started the early transition from old style stripping and layout, and did a lot of promo stuff for strippers and progressed from there, we then were starting to do some design work for the web with mainstream when it was still in the Mosaic days and had no clue what we were working with at the time..... cd's and "multimedia" on cd's was the supposed big thing at the time and a lot of energy was wasted on those

Rochard · 11-02-2010, 04:46 PM

I had just graduated from college with my little compute tech degree, only to discover in the last six months the dot com bubble had burst and there was no computer jobs in California. That's when an "online friend of mine" who had worked with me on a few "picture sites" offered me a job - Steve Lightspeed.

In all honestly, I liked what I saw when I flew out to meet him person to person. But I really thought it would be a temp job, six months or so, to establish myself outside of California where the cost of living was high and into Phoenix where the cost of living was lower.

I had no idea this was going to be a full time gig.

Grapesoda · 11-02-2010, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Did you have a game plan beyond just making some money?

Depending on who you talk to, some wanted the following...
1. Work in Porn Industry because "it's Cool".
2. Make Better Money than You Could in the Real World.
3. Freedom to Be Your Own Boss.
4. Be the Bill Gates of Porn (innovation/riches).
5. Simply Fell Into It by Screwing Around Online,Led to Affiliate,.. Program, etc..

The point being, did you have a plan, or did you simply follow the money?

I was disabled out of my career and just about homeless.. I NEEDED to earn some money, daughter in greade school to support etc..

CaptainHowdy · 11-02-2010, 05:59 PM

The opportunity to be payed to do nothing at all...

Shoplifter · 11-02-2010, 06:06 PM

Paid to fap? All right!

That's pretty much my story.

spunky99 · 11-02-2010, 06:16 PM

started katesplayground with kate in 2003, i wanted some extra drinking $ and she wanted some extra shopping $

i quit my job 6 months later

The Porn Nerd · 11-02-2010, 06:33 PM

A Plan. That's how I went from zero to where I am now in twenty months.

jkthedesigner · 11-02-2010, 06:39 PM

A plan for me

the Shemp · 11-02-2010, 06:43 PM

i was making 125K as an engineer...i decided to quit that and do adult...
you bet i had a plan...

frankie_gunn · 11-02-2010, 07:05 PM

I got into it because i was in need of resources; so i decided to satisfy one of the people's basic needs.

And i had a simple plan: to offer people my 'product' through YouTube and search engines.

Zorgman · 11-02-2010, 07:12 PM

Getting 0.04c per click just seemed so easy. Thanks TopBucks

That's how I started.

SallyRand · 11-02-2010, 07:13 PM

Got my first adult check about two years ago but the check which I have framed is a bad check from Media Breakaway signed by Scott Richter.

ShellyCrash · 11-02-2010, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Got my first adult check about two years ago but the check which I have framed is a bad check from Media Breakaway signed by Scott Richter.

LOL @ Scott Richter

carzygirls · 11-02-2010, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

i was making 125K as an engineer...i decided to quit that and do adult...
you bet i had a plan...

what field of engineer? That's a high paying engineering job in any field unless your the boss

blonda80 · 11-02-2010, 11:11 PM

I didn't have a game plan

the Shemp · 11-02-2010, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carzygirls

what field of engineer? That's a high paying engineering job in any field unless your the boss

me = boss

Barefootsies · 11-03-2010, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

me = boss

shempalicious = own boss

CurrentlySober · 11-03-2010, 06:59 AM

I was producing and selling VHS vids via the mail. Then this 'internet' thing came about, and I though... Cool A new place to advertise my WHS vids and then sell them by mail order lol

One thing led to another and here I am at 41 years old, having travelled the world and semi retired - Only working if and when I choose to

No biz plan... But fuck me... I'm happy...

11-02-2010, 01:56 PM	#1
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	When You Started In This Industry... Did you have a game plan beyond just making some money? Depending on who you talk to, some wanted the following... 1. Work in Porn Industry because "it's Cool". 2. Make Better Money than You Could in the Real World. 3. Freedom to Be Your Own Boss. 4. Be the Bill Gates of Porn (innovation/riches). 5. Simply Fell Into It by Screwing Around Online,Led to Affiliate,.. Program, etc.. The point being, did you have a plan, or did you simply follow the money? __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

11-02-2010, 01:58 PM	#2
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,912	A bit of all for me. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

11-02-2010, 02:29 PM	#3
ottopottomouse She is ugly, bad luck. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,177	1. Never considered whether anything I have done "is cool". 2. Less motivated by money than by being happy with what i'm doing. 3. Own boss doesn't matter - I can work quite well under pressure from someone else too. 4. Not sure i'd want the negative attention Bill Gates gets. 5. Yep. Did a lot of reading first rather than diving in blind though. __________________ ↑ see post ↑ 13101

11-02-2010, 02:37 PM	#8
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11-02-2010, 02:39 PM	#10
Yngwie I am an Alien from space Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 11,118	When I started in this industry I didn't know a damn thing. I just figured that it couldn't hurt to try something different and learn something new. __________________ ICQ: 16544251 - Skype: gator37 @ eastlink.ca - email: yngwie @ isys.ca

11-02-2010, 02:30 PM	#5
ShellyCrash Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,708	When I first started working in the industry I was a few months shy of turning 19. I didn't have a game plan, I wasn't looking that far ahead. I was attracted to the dark side because knew there was potential to make bigger bucks than I could make elsewhere, and to be honest, as a young punk rock kid I knew it was an industry where I wouldn't be as scrutinized for my appearance. __________________ Start making money with the hottest hookup site! up to $55 PPS or up to 75% Revshare ICQ 196766477

11-02-2010, 02:37 PM	#7
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,742	I had a plan since the beginning, but things changed rapidly and I had to change paths, so I pretty much followed the money after that. It's been a great ride so far and wouldn't trade it for anything!

11-02-2010, 02:39 PM	#9
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,009	No plan, I just wanted to make money on my own so I could quit my dayjob... Tried a half dozen things and porn is the only one that stuck.

11-02-2010, 02:41 PM	#11
Roald SecretFriends.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: IMC Headquarters Posts: 27,880	Followed the money! Friend of mine in uni had loads and he showed me how to do it. __________________ WE ARE BUYING PAY SITES! CONTACT ME ClubSweethearts \| ManUpFilms \| SinfulXXX \| HOT * AdultPrime * HOT Paying webmasters since 1996! Contact: r.riepen @ sansylgroup.com \| skype:roaldr \| icq:

11-02-2010, 02:45 PM	#12
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,226	When I started, I was just messing around trying to improve my skill set by learning some html as the whole internet was fairly new, found an article about porn, found porncity free host and made a 10pic tgp gallery with 2 Kara's Playground banners and submitted it anywhere I could find. That gallery made me like $450 and it was on like DonkeyKong! __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

11-02-2010, 04:02 PM	#14
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,052	When I started I just wanted something to make some extra money. I loved my job at the time, but it soon became a chore to go to work knowing I could sit home and make twice as much. So...I built my first sites and galleries and Yahoo groups from Work, getting paid to work on my own shit. I managed to do that for almost a year before they caught on... At that point I was without a job and and needed to come up with an actual plan. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

11-02-2010, 04:06 PM	#15
Jeremiasz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: EU Posts: 136	Started in 1999 I was 17 it was pure about money... in 2001 i was owner of biggest porn site in Poland But i prefer to earn in $ ;)

11-02-2010, 04:08 PM	#16
LeRoy Porn Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: It's a dry heat Posts: 13,334	#5 for me. I was pimpin hoes on CL and this seemed a bit better. So I dove right in. __________________ JAPANESE CAMS AND CONTENT SITES Skype - leroy.rowland2

11-02-2010, 04:10 PM	#17
StinkyPink It's all goooood. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Hoe Stroll Posts: 1,591	I was sick and tired of looking at TGP's with wrong galleries in all the categories. So I decided I would make the ultimate TGP with real galleries in each category. Never knew how hard it would be to run a TGP and maintain it to my quality standards. Gave up on that when I learned you could make money submitting galleries. Went on to build galleries and was sure to submit them to the right categories. So I did my part to solve the problem I seen in the online adult biz. I don't submit galleries anymore.

11-02-2010, 04:16 PM	#18
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	I was an REO (foreclosure) agent that was running 16 hours a day. After my third to last surgery in '08 I no longer had the energy I did before but got bored lying around so here I am. Shot some porn in '02 but the group of us had issues back then ... in short was part of the entourage of a rich guy who started a porn company but we partied more than anything. Profit was never a motivator; having fun was. First online business was loan lead generation. My partners worked directly with a bunch of banks and we'd post non-exclusive leads directly to their servers and then invoice them and get paid. That dried up and they now do the same thing for bankruptcy lawyers but I'm not around for that. I didn't make much because they provided the relationships and platform but I had to do everything else. I was working full-time at the time and was barely making enough to support myself so there wasn't much left over to invest in the business. They made and are making a killing though. I never have a plan until after I start something and it works. I'm one of those throw it against the wall and see if it sticks types. Throw enough and something will stick. I rely a lot on intuition and luck and it seems to work well enough for me. I wanted to be in this industry since I was 16, which was the mid-90's. I cannot help but to think how much I could have done if I started when I wanted to.

11-02-2010, 04:19 PM	#19
spazlabz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 6,548	I got into the biz because I thought it would be a fun way to make a living... it has not disappointed. I did not enjoy getting up and getting ready and then going to work around people I didn't like in order to earn a buck. Most people I have met in this industry is very easy to spend time with.

11-02-2010, 04:22 PM	#20
Calico Jack Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,051	Fell into it really, started something for fun, it started paying so I kept on going. Learnt the hard way but it was worth it. __________________ Got Foot Fetish Traffic? These sites will make you $$$... Footsie Babes - Hot Legs & Feet - Kink's Foot Worship - Black Meat White Feet NAKED HOSTING (Certified Hosting)...Adult Web Hosting at its FINEST! Signup Here!

11-02-2010, 04:37 PM	#21
bolsex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 717	I discovered adult biz while wank!!! Joined ARS and started! It was in 1999 (I think)

11-02-2010, 04:40 PM	#23
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	back in the early 90s I was experimenting with photoshop on Macs when that part of professional stripping and publishing started the early transition from old style stripping and layout, and did a lot of promo stuff for strippers and progressed from there, we then were starting to do some design work for the web with mainstream when it was still in the Mosaic days and had no clue what we were working with at the time..... cd's and "multimedia" on cd's was the supposed big thing at the time and a lot of energy was wasted on those __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

11-02-2010, 04:46 PM	#24
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 72,866	I had just graduated from college with my little compute tech degree, only to discover in the last six months the dot com bubble had burst and there was no computer jobs in California. That's when an "online friend of mine" who had worked with me on a few "picture sites" offered me a job - Steve Lightspeed. In all honestly, I liked what I saw when I flew out to meet him person to person. But I really thought it would be a temp job, six months or so, to establish myself outside of California where the cost of living was high and into Phoenix where the cost of living was lower. I had no idea this was going to be a full time gig. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

11-02-2010, 05:59 PM	#26
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 92,999	The opportunity to be payed to do nothing at all... __________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!

11-02-2010, 06:06 PM	#27
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,679	Paid to fap? All right! That's pretty much my story.

11-02-2010, 06:16 PM	#28
spunky99 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,462	started katesplayground with kate in 2003, i wanted some extra drinking $ and she wanted some extra shopping $ i quit my job 6 months later __________________ Spunky Cash - GND Bank - Good Girls Bank - Bliss Bucks - Nuts For Mobile - Daddy I Get Paid To Be A Whore Click Here To Make Money With Spunky - Domains For Sale - ICQ 281841678

11-02-2010, 06:33 PM	#29
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,497	A Plan. That's how I went from zero to where I am now in twenty months. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Skype: peabodymedia

11-02-2010, 06:39 PM	#30
jkthedesigner Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 272	A plan for me __________________ Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle -Abraham Lincoln ICQ:616116324 Skype: jkthedesigner

11-02-2010, 06:43 PM	#31
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	i was making 125K as an engineer...i decided to quit that and do adult... you bet i had a plan... __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

11-02-2010, 07:05 PM	#32
frankie_gunn Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 270	I got into it because i was in need of resources; so i decided to satisfy one of the people's basic needs. And i had a simple plan: to offer people my 'product' through YouTube and search engines.

11-02-2010, 07:12 PM	#33
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	Getting 0.04c per click just seemed so easy. Thanks TopBucks That's how I started. __________________ ---

11-02-2010, 07:13 PM	#34
SallyRand So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In A Galaxie Far, Far Away! Posts: 3,487	Got my first adult check about two years ago but the check which I have framed is a bad check from Media Breakaway signed by Scott Richter.

11-02-2010, 11:11 PM	#37
blonda80 FOR HIRE: AFF Manager Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: EU Posts: 10,959	I didn't have a game plan __________________ Weekly Paying Affiliate Program with Dating Cam Offers! TrafficGoldmine.com is the official home of HookUP.com They offer payments by PayPal, Paxum, BTC, Bkash, Webmoney & more!

11-03-2010, 06:59 AM	#40
CurrentlySober Too lazy to wipe my ass Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A Public Bathroom Posts: 38,500	I was producing and selling VHS vids via the mail. Then this 'internet' thing came about, and I though... Cool A new place to advertise my WHS vids and then sell them by mail order lol One thing led to another and here I am at 41 years old, having travelled the world and semi retired - Only working if and when I choose to No biz plan... But fuck me... I'm happy... __________________ My AI Handywork... My Dream Gal... XXX 👁️ 👍️ 💩