Shap

As a pay site you have to offer something that makes it worth while for people to spend money on your site. You can't run your business hoping to attract the people that don't know about tubes.

I've been checking out a few larger programs' paysites today. I'm embarrassed that this is what people signing up get. No updates, shitty layout, these sites wouldn't get traffic if they were free. Unbelievable.

A lot of our Twistys members are very aware of Tube sites. Many of them found us through tube sites and yet they are still willing to pay to be a member. I believe it's because we offer a few things that tube sites can't and we give them great value for their money.

Ask yourself this question.... If your paysite was run as a free site how would your traffic do? Would it be an ever growing site? Or one most people wouldn't even bother visiting?

Barefootsies

You would be correct fine sire.

For us, we solicit ideas and suggestions from members. So we basically shoot the scenes, and scripts, they submit to us. This in turn keeps them happy. Which then has them telling their friends. So then they do it as well.

Simple concept.

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what do you offer that tube sites can't?

Randy West

What could you possibly offer? HD video? How long until they do that? Lay in bed with em dude, it will only last so long. Yeah yeah yeah, but mark my words, bookmark this post... you will run back hungry or retire.

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Barefootsies

No you're talkin!

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I think to a webmaster what we offer may seem like nothing. But to the person who is willing to join paysites we seem to offer exactly what they are looking for.

Shap

For one we offer amazing photography and multiple size images, zips etc. A large portion of our clientele really enjoy photography and stills so we try to deliver that for them.

From a video perspective we offer video that is as high quality as it gets. You can easily watch them on your tv and not notice any quality issues.

Do we offer videos from every company under the sun. No. But what we do offer is catered to our members and is built and delivered the way they want it. No hoops to jump through. Easy navigation. They have a say in the content. They get to interact with the models.

Like I said in the previous post this may mean nothing to you but to the people that pay for porn it seems to matter.

Shap

The reality is if we turned Twistys into a 100% free site the traffic would be huge and continually growing because the surfers who like our stuff would get a high quality product. The sites I saw today I wouldn't visit again if I was forced to. It's brutal.

LeRoy

Interesting POV you have there Shap.

What sites did you look at to come to this?

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I'm torn whether I should mention or not. Doesn't do me much good to mention it besides just piss off some pps programs.

stocktrader23

Don't listen to this guy, he has no idea how to run a paysite, tube or any business for that matter. ;)

As for which program had shit content not worth the price?

Are you kidding, put all of them in a hat and pick a name. 99% chance you find shit.

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Robbie

I agree Shap...and quite frankly that's the way it should have always been even before tube sites.

I do my work designed to please me. I made a site that I personally would enjoy as a big tit lover. Too many of the big programs just open up sites without anybody there in charge who has a real love for the niche or even a love of porn.

They just pay people to shoot stuff and then watch the numbers.

Good to know that some of us are still doing this as work of love first...the money always follows that.

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Stef.

I think a few tubes and myfreecams are the only bookmarks a surfer needs. And it's free.

97 out of 100 are already doing it.
3 surfers will join paysites.
2 of them will regret it ( for different reasons ) and join the first group.



( n.b. exaggerated for more impact )
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As a fellow tit lover AMEN

Btw wtf I just noticed my guys don't have Claudia Marie up on BigBreastLovers. Let's get that rectified this week.

Shap

Actually the stats would probably be more like this
10,000 view porn
5 pay for it
3 get screwed
2 never pay for it again
1 may if we are all lucky

PXN

HD videos may work for now, but once these guys download those videos and upload it to tube (or should I say tube owner/empolyee download your stuff and upload it to their tube) tube will become more HD, then what's next?

Problem is you can adapt, but so can they. Personally I think HD is just a short-term solution.

Phoenix

well said shap...sometimes what lies inside the members area is laughable.

usually though the people making money know that they have to offer tons of quality content.

i wont spam this thread...but ahem...daily updates here

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mynameisjim

You guys have to realize it's not all about content. People are paying for access to something, whether it's real or imagined doesn't really matter.

If people think they are getting "closer" to the porn they like by joining, they will join and do so happily. That's not just porn, that's true for just about anything people pay for.

It starts with good content, but doesn't end there.

The reason most members areas suck is because they feel like ghost towns. There is content but nobody seems to be running it. When people pay to get in, they want to actually "get in" to something.

It's not just access to content.

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What title will they use? They can't say Twisty's without getting it removed and nobody but a pure idiot wants to go search for something they love all day over paying $25 per month. You are talking about Twisty's content as if it is comparable to any other HD porn, it's 5000 miles ahead.

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sologirlcontent

nothing will beat FREE!
Guys have been Jerking off FREE since the dawn of time
as time goes on..you do not see your sales rising, you see them eroding as you cut back your expenses.. you try pricing tricks and gimmicks to keep the over-head from rising up..it's a matter of time before more and more surfers find the " Free stuff"

do the 3- minute jerk off and then it's done..simple

Your pix are great and big, but not many guys jerk off to pix anymore and they are not going to print them out as posters...plus I can get some of your best pix from FHG's if im a Pic jerker

Big videos for your TV...the reason DVDs sales are tanking..only perverts, freaks, loners watch porn on big TVs

small hand held devices, computers is all you need to bust a nut..each year goes by and more free cumloads drop on the floor.

porn is heading the way of music...Vivid, Wicked, Playboy..ask them about the profit margins..it's why content producers have to hire cheaper bitches or get them to do more scenes and pix vs. the pay.

Now in 2010 you don't need to know where the "underground" porn message boards or torrent sites are..you just type in pornhub or free porn and bam..you are jerking off in minutes...done, clean up...off to work, totally free

See how that goes on as 2011, 2012 keep eroding that profit.. But Im glad you have an upbeat attitude

Shap

I agree. If Twistys is the same in 3 years from now as it is today (in terms of what it offers) it won't cut it and will be in trouble. That goes for any website. If you think about it that applies to any online business. You can't be in a rapidly changing market without changing yourself.

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Shap

It's about carving out your little spot and doing what you do better than anyone else. Your margins may not be what we all once enjoyed but it's an evolving and changing market. That's one problem our industry has. It's hanging on to the hopes of old margins. Let's say for the sake of argument that Twistys used to make $15,000,000 a year in profit. Right? And now as a site it make $5,000,000 a year in profit. And in the next 3 years it drops and eventually stables off around $2,000,000 a year in profit. I'd miss the old days but do you think I'll be that heart broken?

The margins we made in the past were not realistic. The sooner we all accept that and plan our businesses accordingly the better off we'll be. It's tough to let go, I know

Shap

Exactly. It's like anything. You have to provide an experience. If you don't (and that's in just about any business) you will lose clients.

TCLGirls

thanks for not mentioning my pay sites by name ;)

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sologirlcontent

that doesn't make anyone feel better..take a few zeroes off, for the normal webmasters

$150k...to $50k...$20k..they miss the old days and now have a gun in their mouths

and even your numbers would require dropping some personal bills and pleasures and well as shit canning a few workers.

Im just trying to see what is the point of this thread...the ONLY thing you can offer in your site that's better then Free Porn..is...REAL PUSSY...so unless you have ho's meeting members this thread makes little to no sense.

stocktrader23

Somebody sure is grumpy.

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sologirlcontent

not grumpy at all, just being real...I adapted, that's why I shoot fetish, micro-niches, odd-ball stuff. and take custom video orders from real members instead of shooting for broke webmasters. Shap is pointing out that websites aren't updating...there's a reason for that...they don't need too and it still makes money..sure the money erodes over time..but updated sites are eroding too...and FREE JERKING is taking all yaw money...so , HIDE YO KIDS, HIDE YO WIFE

Shap

Have you ever joined a paysite to jerk off to and paid money to be a member of it?

sologirlcontent

sure...would I do it now? No.. "why" because I can find it FREE

and the next generation of guys coming up get their 1st taste of porn on the web for FREE...never before could you get FULL scenes sooooo easily w/ out shady underground torrent sites or black market message boards..it's there..it's free...it's done

BestXXXPorn

I'm going to skip all the other posts in this thread and say...

I've been yelling to anyone who will listen in the adult industry that the vast majority of today's paysites are still what they were 10 years ago (many with the same design); glorified galleries. Not only that, the gallery features on most paysites are a fucking joke and are nowhere even close to what is offered at just the basic level of "gallery" or photo storage anywhere on the web in mainstream.

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stocktrader23

The way people make money is changing for most but the money being spent is not going down at all. Adapt or die has been relevant for hundreds of years prior and is absolutely relevant now. Those that were making easy money on porn while offering nothing of value were in the right place at the right time. They continue to point themselves out by closing up shop and typically hurt the industry more than they helped it. Sad part is most of them didn't even keep the money they made, they blew it and now have no skills to fall back on.

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Quoting for posterity.

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combson

This talk makes me want to try recurring option on Twistycash.com

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Shap

100000%. Most paysites, most tgps never changed. And both have taken a big hit. You can't sit back and ride out success and be surprised when the wave starts to die down.

Shap

LOL email me mrshap at twistys if you'd like a free membership to Twistys to check it out.

webgurl

I would have to say No , usually I can get access to any site I am interested in .
LOL ... Hi Shap!

Shap

HEY! How's it going?

webgurl

This thread topic is very interesting !
I was just thinking about how these days there are several tube sites
that have better quality full length movies then inside my own members area.
These streaming full length vids on free sites is pretty intense nowadays
very difficult to compete .

Imortyl Pussycat

great thread, hard for some to hear i think. daily updates are a must, i would say #1 on the list. after all, tubes are uploaded to daily and surfers are used to seeing something different everyday on those sites. there is a level of expectation that must be met.
Twistys is so fn lucky to have you.

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True dat. User interaction is key.

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Nurgle

its getting insane now that tubes can buy DVDs like the combatzone ones for cheap as shit and flood them out there.. would be fucking tough to compete against that

i just cant believe some of these DVD guys allow their DVDs to be tubed like that

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Every single penny that comes into this industry is down to content that members pay for. What ever you do your earning ultimately depend on content that's paid for. If you sell traffic it depends on the buyers ability to turn it into $$$$ which depends on content in a members area. If you sell ad space the price you can get depends on content in a members area. If you're an affiliate or a paysite owner you're still relying on the content to convert and retain.

Even if you own a Tube site with full length movies. The amount of traffic you will retain and convert depends on some of that traffic buying something.

Never has the inside of a membership site and the content been so important. Having a nice layout, easy to navigate, clear images, HD or 3D will cover up bad, poor or mediocre content. It won't drive traffic, convert or retain it.

Yet still people will not pay enough attention to content. They still think cheaper is better. They still think loading more scenes of "A girl on a sofa" type content, they have already have, is going to make someone spend money.

I started a thread about putting different twists on the old ideas of porn and beside Damian trolling and spamming no one came up with any new or different ideas. Ideas that have been done or not. Carry on loading your sites with cheap content, DVD content and watch members turn into surfers day after day.

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Shap did you get my email? A reply would of been nice.

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If anyone selling porn hasn't done that, they do not deserve to be selling porn.

BaldBastard

"Let's say for the sake of argument that Twistys used to make $15,000,000 a year in profit. Right? And now as a site it make $5,000,000 a year in profit. And in the next 3 years it drops and eventually stables off around $2,000,000 a year in profit."

I think the arguement will be more like

Let's say for the sake of argument that Twistys used to make $15,000,000 a year in profit. Right? And now as a site it make $5,000,000 a year in profit. And in the next 3 years it drops and eventually stables off around $2,000 a year in profit.