Privacy issue: Personal information in ARIN database? - GoFuckYourself.com

Timothy · 12-01-2010, 09:33 AM

Hi GFYers,

I'm in this adult biz since 1999. Recently, I noticed that on August 2010, there was a big update at ARIN's site. (www.arin.net) They're publishing more records the the public. The most important part is the record about the registered Customer name & address. Which somehow if you own a dedicate server with 8 consecutive IP addresses or more assigned to you, you have a chance to be in that record. It's because the regulations thing so your hosting company have to register the owner information (you) to ARIN's database.

On most case, it's a business name. I have a business name as well, and used it to do everything all the time. However, with my case, it's my personal name in the new published record, since 2000. I'm fine if it's there since it is nothing. No, it is something!

Recently there are some new born advanced WHOIS websites that do more than the simple ones, they dig into the new ARIN database as well, and use some IP reversing technics to link between all domain names on each IP & ARIN database to publish the data who owns these domains. Which wil result as, publishing your personal info, and all of adult domains you have. One example is (www.dawhois.com) check it out.

This has nothing to the domain name registration, which you can easily access it via WHOIS, since this data is provided by your hosting company directly to ARIN, in order to allocate a newly IP addess range. Changing IP addresses can have a problem as well if the hosting company didn't submit the record change to ARIN.

This privacy issue could happen to anyone. Having a business name still have some risks. (I use the businness name all the time) It a case-by-case issue. If you don't care about it, you can just ignore this post. But if you care, please read more about it and maybe we can share more info.

First, I would recommend you to google with these keyword, "dawhois.com xxx", which xxx represent your domain names or personal name. Second, go to that site and search with your domain names. If the result return is your business name, you're safe, otherwise, you'll be exposed to the public. So far, after trying with many friend's domains, I've seen about 5% chances that your personal info will be there instead of business name.

How to solve it? I have no idea too. Since this data is provided by your web hosting company, you might need to consult with them. Let them update the ARIN records. Includes all the IP addresses you've been used since 2000, or before that. I've already done this. My ARIN records are in the progress of changing and don't know when it will be done, or will ARIN keep the history or not.

When the record(s) is changed, then you will have to monitor all the results in the advanced WHOIS websites that you found your record before. From what I observed, the update range are wide, some will update instantly, some will update anually, some once in few years, or some never update. The later ones will be the pain in the a$$. In that case, you will have to do anything to contact the website owner. Unfortunately, the example website I provided doesn't have any contact information on their web page, and the whois information is protected. In that case, you will need to use "google removal tool" (you can google it for the url) to submit and HOPE that google will understand you and DE-INDEX that particular page(s) that have your personal info on it.

This is what I'm done, all in last week. Nothing changed till now. If you somehow found out the same problem with me or have any advice, please share. Thanks.

Odin · 12-01-2010, 09:39 AM

Google refuses to de-index pages due to personal information. Sucks, but I've tried. They simply tell you to contact the site owner.

Timothy · 12-01-2010, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odin

Google refuses to de-index pages due to personal information. Sucks, but I've tried. They simply tell you to contact the site owner.

Thanks Odin, Google do care if the personal information is on the same page that has adult content. They have a dedicated form for this. However, I'm not sure that the WHOIS result page I have a problem with will be considered an adult content or not, since it has adult word tags on it. Just give it a try...

Odin · 12-01-2010, 09:54 AM

Didn't know that. Let us know how you go.

Klen · 12-01-2010, 10:23 AM

Well it's depend which hosting company you use,most of them not submit any info to arin.

Tom_PM · 12-01-2010, 10:26 AM

My info has been public forever anyway.. If you're wondering if people actually contact you from it, basically no. I've had less than 5 phone calls in over 10 yrs, and only the typical snail mail spam from rip off registrars.

Cyber Fucker · 12-01-2010, 10:32 AM

Shit, that sucks. I have thought that this info isn't anywhere but only for hosting company use. Now I think I will need to change it... at least my name. Fuck!

input · 12-01-2010, 01:33 PM

why dawwhois?

this is exactly what's been available for ages on whois...

whois c <IPNUMBER>

eg

Code:

$ ping -c 1 gfy.com
PING gfy.com (64.255.162.245): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 64.255.162.245: icmp_seq=0 ttl=49 time=214.242 ms

$ whois c 64.255.162.245
....
if your details are in the ARIN db, they will show, if not it will the be the ISP provider

Alternatively, direct from the web:

[reconstruct URL cos I'm < 30 posts]
http: // whois.arin. net/rest/ip/64.255.162.245

and if you are worried your name is in their list:
[reconstruct URL cos I'm < 30 posts]
http: // whois . arin . net/rest/pocs;first=Mark;last=Kosters

as example...

it's all there in the ARIN API documentation...
https: // www . arin . net/resources/whoisrws/whois_api.html

lots of other goodies in the API too

CYF · 12-01-2010, 02:12 PM

it's pretty much always been like this. That's why some hosts won't give you more than a couple of consecutive ip's, they don't want to have to do this extra work.

I use my business name.

signupdamnit · 12-01-2010, 07:04 PM

The problem is partially that it's a surprise to some that the information is there and also that it seems harder for the listed organization/person to directly change and control that information. This makes it a bit different than domain WHOIS.

Argos88 · 12-01-2010, 08:21 PM

It should show the hosting NAME in the IP. Not your name.

If it shows your personal name, contact the hosting and ask them to change it, or move on to another hosting company...

.

Argos88 · 12-01-2010, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odin

Google refuses to de-index pages due to personal information. Sucks, but I've tried. They simply tell you to contact the site owner.

Not always:

http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/removals

.

CYF · 12-01-2010, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argos88

It should show the hosting NAME in the IP. Not your name.

If it shows your personal name, contact the hosting and ask them to change it, or move on to another hosting company...

.

no, actually that's not correct

(a /29 is 8 continuous IPs)

4.2.3.7.2. /29s and larger nets

ISPs must provide reassignment information on the entire previously allocated block(s) via SWIP or RWhois server for /29 or larger blocks. For blocks smaller than /29 and for internal space, ISPs should provide utilization data via SWIP or RWhois server or by using the format described in Section 4.2.3.7.5.

View Poll Results: Result?
My personal name is in ARIN database.	1	12.50%
My business name is in ARIN database.	3	37.50%
I don't care.	4	50.00%
Voters: 8. You may not vote on this poll

12-01-2010, 09:33 AM	#1
Timothy Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 153	Privacy issue: Personal information in ARIN database? Hi GFYers, I'm in this adult biz since 1999. Recently, I noticed that on August 2010, there was a big update at ARIN's site. (www.arin.net) They're publishing more records the the public. The most important part is the record about the registered Customer name & address. Which somehow if you own a dedicate server with 8 consecutive IP addresses or more assigned to you, you have a chance to be in that record. It's because the regulations thing so your hosting company have to register the owner information (you) to ARIN's database. On most case, it's a business name. I have a business name as well, and used it to do everything all the time. However, with my case, it's my personal name in the new published record, since 2000. I'm fine if it's there since it is nothing. No, it is something! Recently there are some new born advanced WHOIS websites that do more than the simple ones, they dig into the new ARIN database as well, and use some IP reversing technics to link between all domain names on each IP & ARIN database to publish the data who owns these domains. Which wil result as, publishing your personal info, and all of adult domains you have. One example is (www.dawhois.com) check it out. This has nothing to the domain name registration, which you can easily access it via WHOIS, since this data is provided by your hosting company directly to ARIN, in order to allocate a newly IP addess range. Changing IP addresses can have a problem as well if the hosting company didn't submit the record change to ARIN. This privacy issue could happen to anyone. Having a business name still have some risks. (I use the businness name all the time) It a case-by-case issue. If you don't care about it, you can just ignore this post. But if you care, please read more about it and maybe we can share more info. First, I would recommend you to google with these keyword, "dawhois.com xxx", which xxx represent your domain names or personal name. Second, go to that site and search with your domain names. If the result return is your business name, you're safe, otherwise, you'll be exposed to the public. So far, after trying with many friend's domains, I've seen about 5% chances that your personal info will be there instead of business name. How to solve it? I have no idea too. Since this data is provided by your web hosting company, you might need to consult with them. Let them update the ARIN records. Includes all the IP addresses you've been used since 2000, or before that. I've already done this. My ARIN records are in the progress of changing and don't know when it will be done, or will ARIN keep the history or not. When the record(s) is changed, then you will have to monitor all the results in the advanced WHOIS websites that you found your record before. From what I observed, the update range are wide, some will update instantly, some will update anually, some once in few years, or some never update. The later ones will be the pain in the a$$. In that case, you will have to do anything to contact the website owner. Unfortunately, the example website I provided doesn't have any contact information on their web page, and the whois information is protected. In that case, you will need to use "google removal tool" (you can google it for the url) to submit and HOPE that google will understand you and DE-INDEX that particular page(s) that have your personal info on it. This is what I'm done, all in last week. Nothing changed till now. If you somehow found out the same problem with me or have any advice, please share. Thanks.

12-01-2010, 09:39 AM	#2
Odin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: au Posts: 2,545	Google refuses to de-index pages due to personal information. Sucks, but I've tried. They simply tell you to contact the site owner. __________________ ICQ: 637//961--015

12-01-2010, 09:54 AM	#4
Odin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: au Posts: 2,545	Didn't know that. Let us know how you go. __________________ ICQ: 637//961--015

12-01-2010, 10:26 AM	#6
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	My info has been public forever anyway.. If you're wondering if people actually contact you from it, basically no. I've had less than 5 phone calls in over 10 yrs, and only the typical snail mail spam from rip off registrars. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

12-01-2010, 10:23 AM	#5
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Well it's depend which hosting company you use,most of them not submit any info to arin.

12-01-2010, 10:32 AM	#7
Cyber Fucker Hmm Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On an endless road around the world for rock and roll. Posts: 12,642	Shit, that sucks. I have thought that this info isn't anywhere but only for hosting company use. Now I think I will need to change it... at least my name. Fuck! __________________

12-01-2010, 01:33 PM	#8
input Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 41	why dawwhois? this is exactly what's been available for ages on whois... whois c <IPNUMBER> eg Code: $ ping -c 1 gfy.com PING gfy.com (64.255.162.245): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 64.255.162.245: icmp_seq=0 ttl=49 time=214.242 ms $ whois c 64.255.162.245 .... if your details are in the ARIN db, they will show, if not it will the be the ISP provider Alternatively, direct from the web: [reconstruct URL cos I'm < 30 posts] http: // whois.arin. net/rest/ip/64.255.162.245 and if you are worried your name is in their list: [reconstruct URL cos I'm < 30 posts] http: // whois . arin . net/rest/pocs;first=Mark;last=Kosters as example... it's all there in the ARIN API documentation... https: // www . arin . net/resources/whoisrws/whois_api.html lots of other goodies in the API too

12-01-2010, 02:12 PM	#9
CYF Coupon Guru Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 10,973	it's pretty much always been like this. That's why some hosts won't give you more than a couple of consecutive ip's, they don't want to have to do this extra work. I use my business name. __________________ Webmaster Coupons Coupons and discounts for hosting, domains, SSL Certs, and more! AmeriNOC Coupons \| Certified Hosting Coupons \| Hosting Coupons \| Domain Name Coupons

12-01-2010, 07:04 PM	#10
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	The problem is partially that it's a surprise to some that the information is there and also that it seems harder for the listed organization/person to directly change and control that information. This makes it a bit different than domain WHOIS.

12-01-2010, 08:21 PM	#11
Argos88 So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,732	It should show the hosting NAME in the IP. Not your name. If it shows your personal name, contact the hosting and ask them to change it, or move on to another hosting company... .