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CunningStunt · 11-25-2010, 07:56 PM

I added a text link on a site last year, to cams.com, and haven't been checking my stats on that account as the traffic to the program was fairly low.

It turns out that it has actually had 180 orders:

My big mistake? Choosing to put the link up to the percentage payout option as I do with AFF, instead of the $75 per order.

Admittedly some of those orders will be rebills, however simple maths:

$75 x 180 > $1171.96

What a moron.

If you're promoting cams.com, I strongly advise to do split testing!

CunningStunt · 11-25-2010, 07:59 PM

I'll get this over with first:

TidalWave · 11-25-2010, 08:01 PM

$12,000

Tempest · 11-25-2010, 08:03 PM

Nice one.. lol... I'm losing money as well, not because of something like that but because I still have lots of links going to defunct/not paying programs...

On the other hand, I don't know why you're promoting those guys.. You're just going to end up getting fucked over eventually.

fatfoo · 11-25-2010, 08:07 PM

Don't lose the wealth! Good luck retaining wealth. Increase Retained Earnings.

CunningStunt · 11-25-2010, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest

Nice one.. lol... I'm losing money as well, not because of something like that but because I still have lots of links going to defunct/not paying programs...

Yeah, that's another good point, with so many programs going under, it's a smart thing to do a link audit once in a while too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest

On the other hand, I don't know why you're promoting those guys.. You're just going to end up getting fucked over eventually.

I've tried all the others, and aff still pay better than any of them, fact.

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2010, 08:14 PM

That's funny. Way back when I tested Lars's program and I went with the PPS option at I think $40? Anyhow, I got like 10 joins and they collectively went on to spend tens of thousands of dollars on the site.

CunningStunt · 11-25-2010, 08:22 PM

Yes, you just never know. It's an idea to do split testing on every sponsor that offers both options.

That works out at $6.51 per order on average. Probably low value countries and they'd convert the account to % anyway or some cunning stunt like that...

d-null · 11-25-2010, 08:25 PM

not specifically about this program, but I find it hard not to be skeptical of any of the high pps offers in the long run, if one's traffic is producing that way in revshare longterm, I am skeptical of a sponsor paying a high pps on the same situation without something "going wrong" with the deal

Spunky · 11-25-2010, 08:30 PM

It's only money

jigg · 11-25-2010, 09:11 PM

ALWAYS do split testing!

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2010, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-null

not specifically about this program, but I find it hard not to be skeptical of any of the high pps offers in the long run, if one's traffic is producing that way in revshare longterm, I am skeptical of a sponsor paying a high pps on the same situation without something "going wrong" with the deal

Webcam companies average things out with the whales. Every big cam program around has people spending 5 figures per month on cams, doesn't take many of those to justify paying a pretty high PPS.

garce · 11-25-2010, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

I added a text link on a site last year, to cams.com, and haven't been checking my stats on that account as the traffic to the program was fairly low.

It turns out that it has actually had 180 orders:

My big mistake? Choosing to put the link up to the percentage payout option as I do with AFF, instead of the $75 per order.

That says 180 orders, not 180 new sales. I don't have access to your stats, but there's a difference. For all I can tell, you got all those orders from one or two horny dudes.

Your $1171.96 total earned would work out to $150 on PPS if its only a couple of guys. If they ARE new orders, you're out about 12 grand. I doubt it, though.

Can't tell. You'd have to post your order details to see if it was new or returning.

CunningStunt · 11-25-2010, 10:11 PM

The order details are only shown for the last 2 months, I'd have to check with Andrea for the full details. I'm fairly certain that it's not 2 guys sending 90 orders each though!

Meh, changed the links over, will post the new stats in 6 months if I remember.

Elli · 11-25-2010, 10:13 PM

Split testing is always a good idea. Some people change to our PPS links during a promo, then back to the percentage links to catch the whales. It's all about what works best for your traffic.

CunningStunt · 11-25-2010, 10:16 PM

A little tip for anyone promoting AFF, if you don't send 100 hits a day, you're not on the 55% payout rate. You could be only getting 35%.

Stick your AFF affiliate link in your htaccess file for 404's, for any sites that don't really matter to you, you'll soon be reaching those 100 required hits

Elli, you must have the best legs in the business

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by garce

That says 180 orders, not 180 new sales. I don't have access to your stats, but there's a difference. For all I can tell, you got all those orders from one or two horny dudes.

Mike Honcho · 11-25-2010, 11:32 PM

Maybe Choker can help you find it.

hony · 11-26-2010, 01:14 AM

The majority of sales are returning for me -- I did a quick check on recent data and I earned 3 times more with revshare than I would have with PPS. But like you say, it varies so split test are essential.

CunningStunt · 11-26-2010, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hony

The majority of sales are returning for me -- I did a quick check on recent data and I earned 3 times more with revshare than I would have with PPS. But like you say, it varies so split test are essential.

Some of the last 2 month's are returning, some are new.

The way I see it, $1176.96 / $75 = 15 customers.

I've had 180 orders.

Are 15 customers really going to be rebilling 12 times on average?

I simply can't believe it.

Regardless, test folks, try both options, it's totally dependent on your traffic source (s) as to what will work for you.

botfurom · 11-26-2010, 02:21 AM

too bad....

hony · 11-26-2010, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

Are 15 customers really going to be rebilling 12 times on average?

Depends on how long you expect to be around (or the sponsor). If I look at only the last year data I get a 4.5 transactions per user. But if I look at 5 years of data I get 15. Those few users who stay for years and years really change the numbers.

Of course these days it seems a bit risky to bet on a sponsor being still around in 5 years and still paying on the same customers...

Still bottom line as you said is split test -- trouble always is getting enough data. Extrapolating out to multi-year is hard when whales are so rare.

Machete_ · 11-26-2010, 03:26 AM

I don't think they would have paid you $75 on those 180 orders.

They'd find some bullshit reason to convert you to RevShare (saying your traffic was not profitable)

Deputy Chief Command · 11-26-2010, 03:59 AM

reading this I decided to check my AFF stats

Quote:

As a percentage affiliate, you will get a percentage of all future orders and reorders by the 539 members who have joined so far provided that your affiliate account is still active - we reserve the right to deactivate accounts who stop sending traffic. By analyzing your traffic conversion numbers and order rates, we can estimate that over the next few years, you will be paid an additional $0.00 on top of your current earnings of $1335.71.

I right now am not sending them any traffic, but did send them 539 members, who they now already now will never make any future orders

CunningStunt · 11-26-2010, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

reading this I decided to check my AFF stats

I right now am not sending them any traffic, but did send them 539 members, who they now already now will never make any future orders

If you have already signed up that many members, why on earth would you stop sending them traffic?

Regardless of opinion, it's an eye opener.

Deputy Chief Command · 11-26-2010, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

If you have already signed up that many members, why on earth would you stop sending them traffic?

Regardless of opinion, it's an eye opener.

yeah , know what you mean ,right now I am putting some banners and links up

lucPL · 11-26-2010, 04:16 AM

damn you have some nice AFF stats, dont tell me that its tube traffic ?

lazycash · 11-26-2010, 04:18 AM

Your free to paid ratio is so good especially for cams.com that I would presume a large % of those orders are reorders. Obviously it still looks like you would have made more on pps, but I bet the total earnings from that is a lot closer to your revshare than you think. Also, if you stop sending traffic, you're still gonna earn on additional reorders.

Machete_ · 11-26-2010, 04:33 AM

AFF is so confusing, i have no idea what is what in there.

Could someone please check my RevShare stats and tell me if it's a decent deal or if I should switch to PPS or something.

Thanks.

AFF:

CAMS.COM

desiredusername · 11-26-2010, 04:33 AM

Might as well have written it in CHINESE

mopek1 · 11-26-2010, 07:00 AM

CunningStunt ... Is the traffic you send paid or SE traffic? That might make a difference too.

Sid70 · 11-26-2010, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatfoo

Don't lose the wealth! Good luck retaining wealth. Increase Retained Earnings.

You forgot to insert a key word 'AW'E after each of your 3rd word to make text consistent and keyword rich.

CaptainHowdy · 11-26-2010, 07:28 AM

I never hit myself hard for the money I never had (or used to have)...

seeandsee · 11-26-2010, 07:29 AM

I hope you will make few more on rebills

CunningStunt · 11-26-2010, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mopek1

CunningStunt ... Is the traffic you send paid or SE traffic? That might make a difference too.

SE traffic. I almost never pay for traffic, unless it's in a really tough to get marketplace and I know I'm backing a winner. I'd say I spend less than $3K a month on traffic these days, and none of it goes to aff or cams.

I don't own a tube. I have 3 licences for Zorgman's script lying around but been too busy to do anything with them for the last year

Machete_ I did do split testing with AFF a long while ago, the % payout option was by far the better way to go back then.

GAMEFINEST · 11-26-2010, 07:16 PM

thats lot of cash

HomerSimpson · 11-26-2010, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garce

That says 180 orders, not 180 new sales. I don't have access to your stats, but there's a difference. For all I can tell, you got all those orders from one or two horny dudes.

Your $1171.96 total earned would work out to $150 on PPS if its only a couple of guys. If they ARE new orders, you're out about 12 grand. I doubt it, though.

Can't tell. You'd have to post your order details to see if it was new or returning.

just what I wanted to write...

Wagerboy · 11-26-2010, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

A little tip for anyone promoting AFF, if you don't send 100 hits a day, you're not on the 55% payout rate. You could be only getting 35%.

Stick your AFF affiliate link in your htaccess file for 404's, for any sites that don't really matter to you, you'll soon be reaching those 100 required hits

Elli, you must have the best legs in the business

Couple years ago I had about 10-15k 404 traffic. Had some shmuck from AFF begging me to send it. Made a custom page etc. 2 weeks in, not 1 sale. Gave up, sent it to another program, 2 months later they paid for my car. Legs dont pay bills.

Elli · 11-26-2010, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

Elli, you must have the best legs in the business

It's all in the lens.

Elli · 11-26-2010, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machete_

AFF is so confusing, i have no idea what is what in there.

Could someone please check my RevShare stats and tell me if it's a decent deal or if I should switch to PPS or something.

Thanks.

AFF:

CAMS.COM

Machete could you please contact me on Monday or shoot me an email over the weekend? Once folks are back in the office on Monday I will get a manager to look into your account for you.

CunningStunt · 11-27-2010, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagerboy

Couple years ago I had about 10-15k 404 traffic. Had some shmuck from AFF begging me to send it. Made a custom page etc. 2 weeks in, not 1 sale. Gave up, sent it to another program, 2 months later they paid for my car. Legs dont pay bills.

You seem to be missing the point.

If you send 20 hits and make a $149.95 sale, you will get 35% commission = $52.

If you send those (good) 20 hits, and (shite unproductive doing nothing) 80 hits from 404's etc, you will be bumped up to the 55% rate = $82.

digitaldivas · 11-27-2010, 12:26 AM

Thanks for the share CS

Wagerboy · 11-27-2010, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

You seem to be missing the point.

If you send 20 hits and make a $149.95 sale, you will get 35% commission = $52.

If you send those (good) 20 hits, and (shite unproductive doing nothing) 80 hits from 404's etc, you will be bumped up to the 55% rate = $82.

No I understood your post, I was just explaining what happened when I tried to use them.

bloggerz · 11-27-2010, 07:54 AM

I have since switched everything to PPS since a couple years ago.

CurrentlySober · 11-27-2010, 08:00 AM

i dont like waste.

IllTestYourGirls · 11-27-2010, 08:30 AM

Could be a lot of rebuys. I have members who buy 3 to 4 times a day.

11-25-2010, 07:56 PM	#1
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	I've effectively thrown away $10,000 in potential earnings - don't make the same mistake webmasters! I added a text link on a site last year, to cams.com, and haven't been checking my stats on that account as the traffic to the program was fairly low. It turns out that it has actually had 180 orders: My big mistake? Choosing to put the link up to the percentage payout option as I do with AFF, instead of the $75 per order. Admittedly some of those orders will be rebills, however simple maths: $75 x 180 > $1171.96 What a moron. If you're promoting cams.com, I strongly advise to do split testing!

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11-25-2010, 07:59 PM	#2
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Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	Nice one.. lol... I'm losing money as well, not because of something like that but because I still have lots of links going to defunct/not paying programs... On the other hand, I don't know why you're promoting those guys.. You're just going to end up getting fucked over eventually.

11-25-2010, 08:22 PM	#8
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Yes, you just never know. It's an idea to do split testing on every sponsor that offers both options. That works out at $6.51 per order on average. Probably low value countries and they'd convert the account to % anyway or some cunning stunt like that...

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d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	not specifically about this program, but I find it hard not to be skeptical of any of the high pps offers in the long run, if one's traffic is producing that way in revshare longterm, I am skeptical of a sponsor paying a high pps on the same situation without something "going wrong" with the deal

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CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	The order details are only shown for the last 2 months, I'd have to check with Andrea for the full details. I'm fairly certain that it's not 2 guys sending 90 orders each though! Meh, changed the links over, will post the new stats in 6 months if I remember.

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CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	A little tip for anyone promoting AFF, if you don't send 100 hits a day, you're not on the 55% payout rate. You could be only getting 35%. Stick your AFF affiliate link in your htaccess file for 404's, for any sites that don't really matter to you, you'll soon be reaching those 100 required hits Elli, you must have the best legs in the business Last edited by CunningStunt; 11-25-2010 at 10:19 PM..

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11-26-2010, 04:33 AM	#29
Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	AFF is so confusing, i have no idea what is what in there. Could someone please check my RevShare stats and tell me if it's a decent deal or if I should switch to PPS or something. Thanks. AFF: CAMS.COM Last edited by Machete_; 11-26-2010 at 04:40 AM..

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