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I missed that part...don't really follow this shit, what happened?
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I was divided on this issue...
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Nonetheless, can you honestly believe, when you tell yourself the official version of 9/11 is true? Mossad, who is probably the most skilled organization in the world at covert operations, wouldn't even be capable of executing an attack like 9/11. Do you really believe a bunch of assholes with box cutters pulled off the greatest attack on US soil in history? I'm sorry, but it's simply implausible.
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It was even on CNN years ago, I think at least. Remember how within 36 hours of 9/11 attacks, the FBI had a nice print-out of the terrorists who were on the planes? Well, the media managed to track several of them down. One was a university student, another a computer engineer, etc... They were alive & healthy.
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Kiopa, if your so convinced in what your saying, why even bother debating other people?
Are you trying to shine some light on the situation for the rest of us? Maybe explain to us some angle we may have missed? Sorry to burst your bubble, but if I thought the truthers were idiots back in 01, then I still think they are idiots now. And its pretty insulting to New Yorkers like myself that lost friends and people that worked and lived around there. At that time in my life, I was hanging out blocks away from the WTC and while I wasn't there that day, theres a chance I could have been on any other day. I used to go to windows of the world regularly back then with friends that worked in the building. Its a tragic event in our history, but it happened and making insane/asinine/ridiculous conspiracy theories doesn't help. |
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I dunno...I guess I'm of the opinion that I just really don't give a shit about 9/11 anymore. There's 2 versions of the "truth" and I think as usual, the truth is somewhere between, and I just don't have the patience to go through all the evidence. It doesn't help solve the problems of today including my own. Those of you who believe it's a grand conspiracy, why do you still live here and why don't you do something to rise up? You care enough to argue with people who believe the govt's story on message boards...is that the extent of it?
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thats what's so funny about the truthers crazed fantasies - they think that a vastly more complex and implausible explanation is somehow the obvious choice - then find tidbits of bullshit to use as "evidence" to support the hypothesis they have started with. Your statement "Mossad, who is probably the most skilled organization in the world at covert operations, wouldn't even be capable of executing an attack like 9/11" is BEYOND ridiculous... just the way that you worded this absurd opinion - as if it were fact - shows that you have no grasp of reality. We are talking about soft, un-armed, and weak pilots and stewardess' who had no training in close combat and had no expectation of danger - it must have been VERY simple for the terrorists to get control of these aircraft.... and as a private pilot myself I can tell you - it would be easy to fly these planes to their destinations and hit the targets. Truthers - you should write science fiction rather than trying to re-write history.
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The outer walls, even more so due to, as a cost saving measure, the core not being encased in concrete, was the strongest part of the structure. Furthermore, the outer walls, unlike other parts of the structures, were extremely over-engineered with much redundancy able to withstand the loss of many of the columns, such as what occurred when the planes hit them. In short, from an engineering aspect, it's not surprising that WTC 1&2, in particular, collapsed straight down. People with all these theories should research the basics of how the buildings were constructed and their various failure modes ... in that context, much of what seems inexplicable, is very explainable - no need for complex theories or aliens ![]() Ron
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Link to WikiLeaks article?
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Impact from missiles hitting the WTC buildings. There's NO DOCUMENTABLE PROOF that airplanes hit the building, bro.
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Presumably those were all of box-frame construction. That makes a huge difference.
The twin towers were of tube-frame construction. Far less forgiving in a fire situation. All the people posting these theories lack credibility when they neglect to understand the rudimentary basics of the towers ... as in how they were constructed and their design weaknesses, which are well documented, such as lack of internal support (for open floor plans), lack of concrete around the core (drywall used instead for economy), and lack of redundancy compared to box-frame construction (ie. Empire State Building). Ron
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Really??
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I think if some folks are really upset with this government and country, they should leave.
I think regardless, it's a tragedy that I will never see something as terrible in my lifetime. I also prefer to spend my time and effort helping the victims and families that were lost instead of trying to find out the truth about something no one will know in there lifetime (or too old to give a damn) Oh and if you leave, please give me your domains! ![]() mrR ![]() |
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You're on a plane with say 100 other passengers, some guy just slashes someone else's throat with a box cutter, everyone is now scared for their lives, adrenelin is pumping, etc. Do you really believe everyone would just sit there, and patiently & obediently wait? Again, these are Americans we're talking about. That, and they were capable of taking over the entire plane before the pilot, co-pilot, or any of the staff would call in a quick mayday, triggering NORAD to spring into the air? Again, the fabricated lie the US government fed us is simply implausible.
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molten steel? Why were they having drills of terrorists flying planes into the WTC during the morning that terrorists were actually flying planes into the WTC?
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shhhh...you will scare them they have a good bead on things now...buildings fall into themselves all the time just look a the experts here, they have no trouble giving you links to popular mechanics...whos main editor quit in disgust before they gave their take on what happened..lol yeah...careful..not to scare people they dont want to know whats in mr falcone's box |
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Occams razor wins 9/11 every single time.
Common sense does away with almost every single argument. For instance, do you think a terrorist with a boxcutter stands up from the back of the plane and brandishes his boxcutter and screams "I am now fighting my way to the cockpit for dastardly deeds!!!!" leaving it fair game to wonder how it could be true that no passengers tried to stop them? Pure fictional crap. Worthy of Foxnews. Take it as a compliment if you want. It's all false premise. You have to start with reality or it's not honest speculation. Along that line, does anyone really think that if someone kicked your door in right now 2 feet behind you, that you would be able to get off a 911 mayday before you were stabbed? Again, you have to start with something that resembles reality to be honest in your theories.
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GFY retards like Phoenix and his cronies really do believe the most absurd things. Things that shouldn't even make it passed the common sense filter. One sterling example is the insistence that it makes more sense to pretend to hijack a plane, get rid of all the passengers somehow so they're never heard from again, fly a cruise missile in to the Pentagon in broad daylight, then quickly plant parts of an airplane at the scene rather than just fly an airplane in to the Pentagon. It does a fantastic job illustrating how slow some of these self-professed enlightened thinkers really are. ![]()
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I blame Gutenberg... If it wasn't for the printing press we would all be illiterate and be content in our ant like culture.
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There's nothing to debate. You're a full on crazy. I'm glad you can agree.
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No one will ever know the truth about it - what is fact is that people died that shouldn't and we need to make sure that the families are looked after NOW. Having a pissing match - trying to prove someone is right/wrong is not going to help those that have lost loved ones who need the countries help in their loss. Try working on results if families feel the government has given them what was promised way back when.
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To facilitate the most common claims of the "truthers", at least some level of involvment would be required from many different groups of people: - Hijackers and handlers - NORAD command. - Most if not all of high level millitary brass. - White house - Millitary staff to launch cruise missile. - Millitary staff to dispose of planes and people not actually used in attack - Millitary staff to plant plane parts at Pentagon. - A huge number of explosive and demolition experts to rig the most complicated demolition in history made even more complicated by the fact that it must be completed in absolute secrecy, with no visible evidence, and still work flawlessly after an airplane is flown in to the building. - At least some of the NYC FD. Remember, apparently one of the captains "pulled" the building on orders from Mr. Silverstein. This is particularily sticky because you have to assume that someone who has spent their life as a civil servant suddenly became OK with wreckless demolition in the midst of a disaster. - Mr. Silverstein et. all - News reporters and organizations, including apparently the UK channel that broadcast the information of the towers falling before they did. If they were in on it, surely someone there knew. Really, that's just a simple list and you could easily expand on it. Now you get an idea of how ridiculous the scope of this conpsiracy is. We can probably agree that their are some holes in the official version. Unforuntately, many of you fail to see that the holes in the combined truther theoris are so vast they can only be described as gaping. By your own standards, your explanation fails.
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Interesting debate... can we discuss the LOST ending next?
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Another 'conspiracy theory' turns out to be true
MOSCOW (AFP) – Russia's parliament on Friday declared Stalin responsible for ordering the Katyn massacre of Polish officers in World War II, a crime Moscow spent decades blaming on the Nazis to the fury of Poland. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101126...ndwwiimassacre
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