Vendzilla

OK, I have a problem with this, when I had a clearance in the Navy, I was careful about everything. I was told the story about what happened in WWII when a government official in a speech said the cruising depth of the submarines was 400ft and then the enemy set their depth charges to 400 ft and we lost a bunch of submarines because of it.

Now we have some asshole thats going to release a bunch of Top Secret Info and what's our government doing about it?

Too bad we have a spineless president, Reagan would have someone put a bullet in the back of his head, but our present administration is trying to talk him into not releasing this?

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Agent 488

think it's great.

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beerptrol

they need to execute the person who stole the info and gave it to wiki

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nico-t

what the fuck... you need a brain check dude. The more open a government is, the better. Id say release every fucking thing thats top secret, but they wont because the stupid sheep would be in awe how they are being fucked by their own government. The average joe cannot handle the truth, or just decides he wont believe it. Like a good little tax paying sheep.

Ron Bennett

Most, if not all, of the docs being "leaked" are presumably way below "Top Secret" / "Secret".

Wikileaks seems to be more of an annoyance to the U.S. government than a real threat ... from my understanding, much of what's being "leaked" are numerous internal agency documents of relatively little importance; revealing little that's not already publicly known.

Ron

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The Porn Nerd

There's way too much secrecy, bullshit, discrimination, illegality, etc etc etc "in the name of" fill in the blank. I know you're an ex-Navy man and all (or most) of you Military types are bad-ass motherfuckers who think of yourselves as Roman warriors touched by the hand of God and therefore Blessed to KILL KILL KILL, all in the name of "security", but this country - and this WORLD -has fucking LOST IT brother.

Time for some disinfectant, time for some LIGHT to shine on all this dreary nastiness. And "Reagan" the old-fart dellusional PUSSY ACTOR? Well, no wonder Military types love him so much: he "acted" tough, he "acted" like he was a bad-ass. But know something? Shhhh, don't tell anyone this now: HE WAS AN ACTOR!

Fuck Ronald Reagan and everyone who voted for him, worked for him, thought nice thoughts about him and generally anyone who utters his name in a positive manner. EVERYTHING that's fucked up with America today can be traced back to Mr. Ronald RayGun.

Oh - and before you go defending Ronnie and saying how I don't know shit, etc etc: Remember when we actually HAD a "middle class" here in America, where one person (usually the father) could work and support an entrie family? Well, Reagan and his co-horts killed all that DEAD.

So, to sum up here: If you're RICH then maybe you like Reagan, Conservatives, etc etc because, you know, fuck the world, right? You're RICH. But if you care about your fellow human beings, well then....

Carry on.

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BlackCrayon

where does he get his info? thats where the problem is. i belive in freedom of press but when you're putting lives in danger, its a different situation.

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i feel the lesson here is military organizations aren't able to commit war crimes without feeling consequences.

no matter how many people you disassociate from guilt by machine gunning children, you'll never disassociate ALL of them.

FYI, the whole 'bringing children into a war zone' only applies if they invade YOUR home.

_Richard_

funny the story i heard about the Iranian hostage crisis and who would give those Iranians 'the better deal', in terms of administration. i wonder if it's true

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u-Bob

The more they publish and expose the better!

Zyber

If the government has nothing to hide, they should have nothing to fear. Right?

Oracle Porn

Can someone explain how a site like wikileaks can host in the states and nothing is done about it?

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u-Bob

last time I checked they were hosted in Sweden

Rochard

What exactly is our government supposed to do about it? We can't arrest him, he's not American and hasn't committed a crime inside of Sweden. We can't even block his website; We can block it from the US but what god does that do if the rest of the world can see it?

I think we should send out a hit team and take him him. Seriously. We used to do all of this to protect secret info; Time for us to move back to it.

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The Porn Nerd

Spoken like a fucking French-Canadian.

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Vendzilla

So I guess you are all for the cold war then? What a fucking idiot

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think about that

Vendzilla

You mean like how to make a nuclear weapon?

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think about that

ottopottomouse

Assange is a figurehead. Kill him and a replacement will pop up - you won't stop the info coming out.

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Slutboat

RELEASE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT SHOWS HOW CRIMINAL AND CORRUPT THIS GOV IS.


This is the ONLY way that the US is going to think twice before starting any more criminal and immoral preemptive invasions of sovereign countries.

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poisson

They teach that in high school now.

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martinsc

j/k i agree with both side's arguments and I believe there must be a gray area of what needs to be kept secret and what should be open for all to know...

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I suppose you're for killing, death, endless war, lying, deceiving, manipulation, propoganda, endless debt, rich getting ricker, fuck the poor, handicapped, anyone in need, total WORLDWIDE DOMINATION to make up for useless soulless Capitalism?

What did you do during the Sixties Vendzilla? Go to the gym with your little Marine buzzcut and fantasize about killing Vietcong because you couldn't get any hippies to fuck you or smoke weed with you? Pathetic.

Bingo.

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Vendzilla

Actually, I had hair half way down my back, wore bell bottom jeans and smoked pot as a teenager. During the 70's that is. As far as Vietnam, I was told is was really a fight between the US and the USSR as told by my government teacher inn high school. I'm against war and against foreign countries getting the technology to attack the US, like the plans for the lafayette class submarine given to the French, then them giving it to the USSR, or that the screws for submarines are made in china now because we cant. Or selling arms to middle east countries.

I'm glad you feel you have an answer for all this, but in the end you haven't a fucking clue as to the damage that can be done by this

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think about that

directfiesta

Reminds me of the right wingers saying about the patriot act :

" I have nothing to hide , I do nothing wrong.. so yes the patriot act is OK with me.. they can probe my life : no problem "

Should apply to the gov ...

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TylerBang

Many of the same people who want to hang this guy for posting diplomatic gossip, thought it was ok for members of the Bush administration to expose an active CIA operative because she wouldn't agree to tell lies to the American people with them.

Amazing.

trevesty

I've been told things in confidence by people much more in the "know" than his sources. Those same people also think all the huss and fuss over WikiLeaks by the .gov is a "decoy"(don't care to explain, ask if you want to know).

There's never been any damning evidence released. And as mentioned above, a transparent government is a better government.

trevesty

Yeah.. these people enjoy deceit and being lied to because they somehow think we're safer because of the lies.

It's okay to be retarded if you take your medication.

Agent 488

are you a secret agent?

Kolargol

We are on US based adult BUSINESS forum.

moeloubani

Freedom of information - we should be able to get all of this. If someone dies because of it then they died for our freedom...isn't that what it's all about??

At least that's what the Captain America types would have you believe. Unless it's not really about freedom at all but about murdering people in which case I can see why people would be angry.

People who died in submarines as a result of the rest of us allowed the freedom to know what our government is doing are the true sacrifices of freedom, not the soldiers who die as they attempt to kill anyone who doesn't agree with their commander's philosophy of life. Those ones, hate to say it, deserved to die.

Zyber

Some of the documents have already been released in English on the German newspaper Spiegel

A Superpower's View of the World
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...731580,00.html

Orders from Hillary Clinton
US Diplomats Told to Spy on Other Countries at United Nations
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...731587,00.html

Foreign Policy Meltdown
Leaked Cables Reveal True US Worldview
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...731583,00.html

WikiLeaks FAQ
What Do the Diplomatic Cables Really Tell Us?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...731441,00.html

Lots of interesting stuff is surfacing these days!

Vendzilla

But soldiers that die because someone leaked information should be shot, in the end

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think about that

Rochard

I am no French. Or Canadian.

But thanks for your concern.

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Well, forums are made for "quick judgements", aren't they? LOL If you feel that way, being against war and such, then I apologize for my comments. Lumping every ex-Military man in with all the gung-ho kill freaks this current Armed Forces seem to attract is always a bad thing, so again: apologies.

Having said the above - uh oh - half my family is Military. My dad was a Marine, four Uncles were also, etc etc. I have family in both Iraq and Asshat-istan. So I do see both sides, and here's what I know Vendzilla:

True, I don't want nations, rogue or otherwise, having the capacity to destroy using our stolen/traded for technology. Being a realist, while I wish THIS country (USA) didn't have such capabilities either I understand the horse has left the barn, or whatever. So we're stuck in this crazed world, where every country is shuffling their chess pieces, rattling their sabers, keeping the Military Industrial Complexes alive and kicking while....keeping their made-up wars in far-off little forgotten corners of the Globe. Better to make profit that way while keeping the populations of the civilized world busy/distracted with their little greed games.

It ALL sucks V.

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epitome

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/wo...s.html?_r=1&hp

Here are some of them.

As a citizen, I want to know things like the Afghanistan VP, who we are funding, going to the Middle East with $52 million in undeclared cash. Things like that should not be happening.

Splendorous_Male

Soldiers die because your government sent them there, not because wikileaks.

MaDalton

i think it's great. and i am not surprised that the US gov thinks the german foreign minister is an idiot - cause he is. lol

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Berlin Efforts to Prevent Iraq Invasion
Classified Papers Prove German Warnings to Bush
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...730979,00.html

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CheeseFrog

Don't even worry about it. Shits all fake info anyway. If Wikileaks were legit, they'd have all the top secret govt. docs posted about how the US govt. orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.

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MaDalton

ironic, isn't it?

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sandman!

if i agreed with all the bs going on then i might agree with you.

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moeloubani

It's a tough thing man because it's a fragile balance between the right to be informed what the government we appoint is doing and the duty that that government has to protect us and therefore keep some information private. And I would be on your side 100% if it was a United States that wasn't at war right now or if it was a United States that people truly felt was being run honestly and transparently. But the way things are now with the corruption, foreign political influences on national political policies and the war that was just started on false pretenses, people need to say that the government has overstepped their bounds and has become out of the people's control, and they need to know exactly why their country is in the situation it is in. If it means there are people's lives put in danger so be it - I'd rather a soldier's life be in danger that is fighting for my freedom over a soldier somewhere enforcing a policy that doesn't benefit me in any way while I'm at home clueless funding the operation.

Cash4Me

I wonder why wikileaks releases all that huge data and doesn't release the real sources where data came from.
What is the reason I have to believe all that stupid (yes i think it's 99% stupid internal stuff) "top secret" stuff released by an unemployed aspiring world hero without a proof of serious source?
It's only a bait to become the next web hero and maybe make good money.

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TheSenator

I forgot there was a war. I am more upset about Bristil Palin not winning "Dancing with the Stars".

I bet she didn't win because they hated he mother and orchestrated a grand conspiracy.

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See what happens when we let the mindless share their opinions?

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