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Vendzilla · 11-28-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

I've noticed about you that when you're losing arguments you start firing away at the people arguing and say nothing about what you're actually arguing.

I reply in the same way I'm replied to, when they change the subject, I do the same, it's like liberals, instead of argueing weather Obama is an idiot or not, they blame Bush instead

Or weather the Stimulus has worked ,again, they say it prevented job loss, which is something that can't be proved.

Or the guys that just call me names, they can't understand when I return the favor

If you want a debate on something, stick to the subject and we'll do just fine

theking · 11-28-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

I've noticed about you that when you're losing arguments you start firing away at the people arguing and say nothing about what you're actually arguing.

His "argument" is a simple one...and one that he cannot lose...he does not like the leaks and neither do I.

deadbabes · 11-28-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

where does he get his info? thats where the problem is. i belive in freedom of press but when you're putting lives in danger, its a different situation.

theking · 11-28-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

If that is what you think then you have a severe problem with comprehension. It is no secret that I am a liberal, one pretty much has to be to be in this business. I'm also anti government bullshit which is a lot of what has been covered up. I'm also anti preemptive war in most cases since it makes us less safe, is usually done for political reasons only and costs us so much money that we can't afford to provide healthcare to those that need it.

Almost everything conservatives do comes down to an irrational fear, lack of understanding on an issue, absolute greed or 100% blind hatred. Since I am wholly opposed to fucking ignorance and irrational behavior those with conservative viewpoints have a tendency to really piss me the fuck off.

Almost everything you and the handful of conservative porn webmasters around here post is some off the wall misrepresentation of what is really going on or a call to stop something because it scares your spineless ass shitless. The fear is irrational in almost all cases and it's a pathetic way to live.

I do understand that conservatives are born this way, and will probably die at least as stupid as they are right now but I still put my two cents in so those that aren't irrational don't get fooled by your deceptive and / or scaredy cat bullshit. While cognitive dissonance is something you will always have not everyone reading suffers from the same affliction so my comments are aimed at them.

In short, you probably think I disagree with everyone because I am very vocal about my opinions and they are by default going to be opposite of what you, and those like you, think. I am extremely rational and use reason in everything I do. Conservatives are the exact opposite, small fucking wonder they can't see eye to eye with someone that puts actual thought into their stance.

Well this post certainly is opinionated...and opinions are of little import to anyone other than the one offering the opinion. BTW...many of the opinions you offer in this post...I consider to be pigshit...but that of course is just my opinion.

stocktrader23 · 11-28-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Well this post certainly is opinionated...and opinions are of little import to anyone other than the one offering the opinion. BTW...many of the opinions you offer in this post...I consider to be pigshit...but that of course is just my opinion.

a) I'm talking about social conservatism.

b) Pretty much everything I commented on is factual and has been proven factual by people much smarter than me. Unfortunately for my arguments, conservatives aren't big friends of facts.

Conservatives and liberals are different to the core. Irrational fear is a trait of conservatives.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

Pig shit away.

theking · 11-28-2010, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

a) I'm talking about social conservatism.

b) Pretty much everything I commented on is factual and has been proven factual by people much smarter than me. Unfortunately for my arguments, conservatives aren't big friends of facts.

Conservatives and liberals are different to the core. Irrational fear is a trait of conservatives.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

Pig shit away.

"Facts" are a tricky thing and often are in the eye of the beholder...often more subjective than objective. I really did not need a link providing another person's opinions...thank you very much.

stocktrader23 · 11-28-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

"Facts" are a tricky thing and often are in the eye of the beholder...often more subjective than objective. I really did not need a link providing another person's opinions...thank you very much.

Facts are rarely tricky sir. Something that is subjective is not, in fact, a fact.

MaDalton · 11-28-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

I've noticed about you that when you're losing arguments you start firing away at the people arguing and say nothing about what you're actually arguing.

this is what puts him in the same boat as "the demon" and any other teabagger - they all stick to personal insults when it comes to real arguments. pathetic

theking · 11-28-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Facts are rarely tricky sir. Something that is subjective is not, in fact, a fact.

Well...I offered my opinion about "facts"...and you responded with your opinion about "facts"...and the only opinion here that is of any import to me...is my opinion...but feel free to continue presenting your opinions...as I know you will.

stocktrader23 · 11-28-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Well...I offered my opinion about "facts"...and you responded with your opinion about "facts"...and the only opinion here that is of any import to me...is my opinion...but feel free to continue presenting your opinions...as I know you will.

Quoted for the sheer absurdity of the statement and a perfect example of the conservative mindset.

Holy shit.

xholly · 11-28-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

where does he get his info? thats where the problem is. i belive in freedom of press but when you're putting lives in danger, its a different situation.

Invading nations and starting illegal wars does tend to put people in danger.

stocktrader23 · 11-28-2010, 10:20 PM

Conservatives and fear.

pOrRiDgE · 11-28-2010, 10:31 PM

Childkilling is encouraged?

theking · 11-28-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Quoted for the sheer absurdity of the statement and a perfect example of the conservative mindset.

Holy shit.

I have never been a member of the Republican party but I do have certain conservative views...such as being a fiscal conservative and a couple of other areas. I am an Independent and consider myself to be a political moderate with some leaning to liberalism/the left.

Vendzilla · 11-28-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

If that is what you think then you have a severe problem with comprehension. It is no secret that I am a liberal, one pretty much has to be to be in this business. I'm also anti government bullshit which is a lot of what has been covered up. I'm also anti preemptive war in most cases since it makes us less safe, is usually done for political reasons only and costs us so much money that we can't afford to provide healthcare to those that need it.

If you read more of my posts, you would know I'm anti-government, don't like war and want a healthcare law that works, not what just got shoved down our throats that the people that wrote it are exempt from

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Almost everything conservatives do comes down to an irrational fear, lack of understanding on an issue, absolute greed or 100% blind hatred. Since I am wholly opposed to fucking ignorance and irrational behavior those with conservative viewpoints have a tendency to really piss me the fuck off.

More government cost more, more taxes, More overhead, that's the principal understanding I have for smaller government, is that the conservative approach you are saying I'm irrational about and how does that work?

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Almost everything you and the handful of conservative porn webmasters around here post is some off the wall misrepresentation of what is really going on or a call to stop something because it scares your spineless ass shitless. The fear is irrational in almost all cases and it's a pathetic way to live.

So, i speak how I feel about something, how is that spineless? You are doing the same?

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I do understand that conservatives are born this way, and will probably die at least as stupid as they are right now but I still put my two cents in so those that aren't irrational don't get fooled by your deceptive and / or scaredy cat bullshit. While cognitive dissonance is something you will always have not everyone reading suffers from the same affliction so my comments are aimed at them.

Actually, if you look at the trends, as people get older, they become more conservative, it's been that way for a while.

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In short, you probably think I disagree with everyone because I am very vocal about my opinions and they are by default going to be opposite of what you, and those like you, think. I am extremely rational and use reason in everything I do. Conservatives are the exact opposite, small fucking wonder they can't see eye to eye with someone that puts actual thought into their stance.

It's my belief that a balanced government, like what we are getting now or what we had from 94 to 2000 is what works best for the country, I have conservative views when it comes to being fiscal, but I don't always go with the rest of the agenda. I didn't like Bush and I don't like us going to war. I hate censorship which is something that Obama tried with Fox news.
And the reason the stimulus failed was bureaucracy, they didn't take that into account

Vendzilla · 11-28-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

this is what puts him in the same boat as "the demon" and any other teabagger - they all stick to personal insults when it comes to real arguments. pathetic

Or some even yet just change the subject, then when that doesn't work, yell from the peanut gallery

stocktrader23 · 11-28-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

If you read more of my posts, you would know I'm anti-government, don't like war and want a healthcare law that works, not what just got shoved down our throats that the people that wrote it are exempt from

More government cost more, more taxes, More overhead, that's the principal understanding I have for smaller government, is that the conservative approach you are saying I'm irrational about and how does that work?

So, i speak how I feel about something, how is that spineless? You are doing the same?

Actually, if you look at the trends, as people get older, they become more conservative, it's been that way for a while.

It's my belief that a balanced government, like what we are getting now or what we had from 94 to 2000 is what works best for the country, I have conservative views when it comes to being fiscal, but I don't always go with the rest of the agenda. I didn't like Bush and I don't like us going to war. I hate censorship which is something that Obama tried with Fox news.
And the reason the stimulus failed was bureaucracy, they didn't take that into account

Vendzilla, I am socially liberal. I would much prefer a smaller government. The problem is claiming you want a smaller government but fighting tooth and nail about programs that carry the most costs, the military for example.

Also, whether you will admit it or not you do a lot of party bashing based on half truths and / or pure talking points. Maybe you haven't investigated further, maybe you know you're being disingenuous and just don't care. Either way, when you do it you are acting like every other conservative out there and it accomplishes nothing but a giant hate party in both directions.

Agent 488 · 11-28-2010, 10:42 PM

enough about left right bullshit back to wikileaks.

Zyber · 11-29-2010, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

The current Secretary General of NATO and former Prime Minister of Denmark, Anders Fogh Rasmussen gave two promises to Turkish ministers in return of them voting for him. The first was to censor a turkish television channel in Denmark and second to give them a top position in NATO. After elected, according to the leak, he didn't keep his promise and they cried about it.

Corruption and betrayal. Love it.

Well, he also lied to the Danes. Why should the Turks receive any special treatment?

Zyber · 11-29-2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Intelligence, the thing the CIA uses or the thing you lack? If you're going to go on about how the US is perceived in the rest of the world, thats cool, I want to pull the aid to those countries anyways

This is not a "bash USA contest" but I still want to laugh at such ridiculous statements - ironically coming from someone who's country is technically bankrupt.
Take a look if you have forgotten the sad reality. www.usDebtClock.org

As if Germany is on the receiving end of financial aid. Last time I checked, the German economy is the one who pays the bill and gives financial support to its weaker neighbouring economies.

Maybe this is an intelligence contest, after all.

theking · 11-29-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyber

This is not a "bash USA contest" but I still want to laugh at such ridiculous statements - ironically coming from someone who's country is technically bankrupt.
Take a look if you have forgotten the sad reality. www.usDebtClock.org

As if Germany is on the receiving end of financial aid. Last time I checked, the German economy is the one who pays the bill and gives financial support to its weaker neighbouring economies.

Maybe this is an intelligence contest, after all.

The ratio of debt to GNP is still smaller than it has been in previous times and the U.S. still has the largest economy on the earth...by far...over any other country...which makes the U.S. no where near to being bankrupt. The U.S. provides more financial aid to other countries than any other country on the earth.

georgeyw · 11-29-2010, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

actually it's an intelligence contest - and you're about to lose it

About to?

@ Vendzilla - do you have a wife or girlfriend? I think you and Sarah Maxcash share a very special bond. Every post she makes she drops in 'i live in london/UK' and you drop 'i drivededed a submareeeeeeeennnnn, I therefore know shit about stuff'

The rest is upto you guys

With re to your post - I would love to see ALL government secrets made public. It's not just a military thing yo uknow

nico-t · 11-29-2010, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You mean like how to make a nuclear weapon?

like the ones who wanna build those dont already know

you are really ignorant... how come you are so brainwashed by the government? What happened?

ottopottomouse · 11-29-2010, 03:58 AM

theking · 11-29-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

About to?

@ Vendzilla - do you have a wife or girlfriend? I think you and Sarah Maxcash share a very special bond. Every post she makes she drops in 'i live in london/UK' and you drop 'i drivededed a submareeeeeeeennnnn, I therefore know shit about stuff'

The rest is upto you guys

With re to your post - I would love to see ALL government secrets made public. It's not just a military thing yo uknow

He would know shit about submarines...now wouldn't he?

DWB · 11-29-2010, 09:24 AM

If the USA didn't do so much criminal shit, there would not be an issue.

No one can expose you if there is nothing to expose.

_Richard_ · 11-29-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Hey shit for brains, I know what he said. And the answer stands, try using a fucking brain cell.
They are putting out secret documents, I'll make you a deal, if one person gets hurt over it, can I kick you in the balls with steel toe boots?
If you answer no, then you are not sure of your answer , just another shit for brains

well the state documents had the ability to be accessed by 1.3 million americans i think

the leak was something waiting to happen, parts of it anyway

Vendzilla · 11-29-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Vendzilla, I am socially liberal. I would much prefer a smaller government. The problem is claiming you want a smaller government but fighting tooth and nail about programs that carry the most costs, the military for example.

Also, whether you will admit it or not you do a lot of party bashing based on half truths and / or pure talking points. Maybe you haven't investigated further, maybe you know you're being disingenuous and just don't care. Either way, when you do it you are acting like every other conservative out there and it accomplishes nothing but a giant hate party in both directions.

Your not getting me, I want a strong military, but not near as big, one we can't afford it and two, why are we protecting countries that clearly don't like us. I'm not a republican, I'm an independent, I don't like either parties, I just bash the democrats right now because they are in charge, Bashing the GOP is like blaming Bush, he's not in office, what can he do to fix things? Move on and deal with the present is the way I look at it and the idiot in office has no balls or common sense

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Originally Posted by Zyber

This is not a "bash USA contest" but I still want to laugh at such ridiculous statements - ironically coming from someone who's country is technically bankrupt.
Take a look if you have forgotten the sad reality. www.usDebtClock.org

As if Germany is on the receiving end of financial aid. Last time I checked, the German economy is the one who pays the bill and gives financial support to its weaker neighbouring economies.

Maybe this is an intelligence contest, after all.

The US is still the biggest economy in the world and global money is traded on the US dollar, get a clue idiot

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

About to?

@ Vendzilla - do you have a wife or girlfriend? I think you and Sarah Maxcash share a very special bond. Every post she makes she drops in 'i live in london/UK' and you drop 'i drivededed a submareeeeeeeennnnn, I therefore know shit about stuff'

The rest is upto you guys

With re to your post - I would love to see ALL government secrets made public. It's not just a military thing yo uknow

I know you think that being tough on Call of Duty is like a badge for you, but I'm sorry, XBox doesn't compare to real life you pussy!

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Originally Posted by nico-t

like the ones who wanna build those dont already know

you are really ignorant... how come you are so brainwashed by the government? What happened?

You are truly a moron, you know that don't you? Try debating instead of throwing out insults, just shows what an idiot you are.

pornguy · 11-29-2010, 09:53 AM

I think you can find all the same info on Janes Guide.

nikki99 · 11-29-2010, 09:58 AM

I think wikileaks is great

just a punk · 11-29-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Too bad we have a spineless president, Reagan would have someone put a bullet in the back of his head, but our present administration is trying to talk him into not releasing this?

Sorry for the offtopic but Reagan was an idiot who did much worse things. Do you remember his "accidental" statement when he said he started a war against the USSR? Even Bush is not so dumb as Reagan was

just a punk · 11-29-2010, 10:09 AM

Now my thoughts ontopic. I believe it's good (perhaps even great). That's my personal point.

P.S. Can't wait to see the announced info regarding relations between Russian government and the organized crime

DWB · 11-29-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The US is still the biggest economy in the world and global money is traded on the US dollar

Today. They can not continue on the path they are on and keep that title.

[ Nate ] · 11-29-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i belive in freedom of press but when you're putting lives in danger, its a different situation.

You can't have it both ways. You believe in freedom of the press or you don't.

Tom_PM · 11-29-2010, 10:17 AM

Dont mention Reagan in the same sentance as this shit please. If things go the Reagan way, then it'll be a scandal where we're selling arms to Iran and shredding so many documents that it jams the shredders. Yet somehow, Reagan will be held up as a shining example. blah.

As a sidenote, just because you have a right to something, doesnt mean it's always right to do the something in every situation where you can.

Vendzilla · 11-29-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

I think you can find all the same info on Janes Guide.

I know Janes guide pretty well, they don't have everything

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Sorry for the offtopic but Reagan was an idiot who did much worse things. Do you remember his "accidental" statement when he said he started a war against the USSR? Even Bush is not so dumb as Reagan was

He stopped the cold war and a lot of other good things happened because of his presidency, I give him an A+, so if he was an idiot and Obama is a smart, time we went back to idiots

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Today. They can not continue on the path they are on and keep that title.

I agree, getting into the debt we are in and having a pansy for a president is hurting us

directfiesta · 11-29-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You are truly a moron, you know that don't you? Try debating instead of throwing out insults, just shows what an idiot you are.

MaDalton · 11-29-2010, 10:32 AM

time blurrs peoples minds - this is what i have to say about Reagan

and that's how many people thought at that time

just a punk · 11-29-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by [ Nate ]

You can't have it both ways. You believe in freedom of the press or you don't.

Quoted for truth

just a punk · 11-29-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

He stopped the cold war

LOL, how exactly he did it? Please tell me this story

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

and a lot of other good things happened because of his presidency

Which ones?

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I give him an A+, so if he was an idiot and Obama is a smart, time we went back to idiots

He was a shitty actor and dumb person with low IQ (a mental brother of Bush Jr?

) But if you want an idiot as a president, why not? I with you to have one after Obama

Barry-xlovecam · 11-29-2010, 11:21 AM

Moral of the story: Never put in writing what you don't want repeated.

Argos88 · 11-29-2010, 11:25 AM

wiki leaks rock...

We now have proof that JFK was killed by CIA or that the man never went to moon, it was filmed in hollywood studios by Stanley Kubrick.

Or that BUSH did know about 911 and didn't do shit to start a war and put USA in bankrupty...

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MaDalton · 11-29-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Quoted for truth

you might have to fight for that in your own country first though

just a punk · 11-29-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

you might have to fight for that in your own country first though

And you will do the same in yours ok?

Wikileaks fights for freedom of the press in ALL countries, including my one. And personally I appreciate it.

P.S. But it seems you don't.

MaDalton · 11-29-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

And you will do the same in yours ok?

Wikileaks fights for freedom of the press in ALL countries, including my one. And personally I appreciate it.

P.S. But it seems you don't.

oh, i very much appreciate it. all over the world. some might need it more than others though.

just a punk · 11-29-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

oh, i very much appreciate it. all over the world. some might need it more than others though.

Absolutely correct. As we all aware, the most scared is the US government. Seems they have much more skeletons in the closet than other countries.

Vendzilla · 11-29-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

LOL, how exactly he did it? Please tell me this story

Which ones?

He was a shitty actor and dumb person with low IQ (a mental brother of Bush Jr?

) But if you want an idiot as a president, why not? I with you to have one after Obama

Learn to use google

I guess you don't understand the sarcasm

BVF · 11-29-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Too bad we have a spineless president, Reagan would have someone put a bullet in the back of his head, but our present administration is trying to talk him into not releasing this?

just a punk · 11-29-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I guess you don't understand the sarcasm

So it was a sarcasm about Reagan?

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