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03-16-2010, 12:55 PM

your info is a bit outdated
no follow can no longer be used to pr shape

and your missing one of the most important characteristics bounce rate
or more specifically return to google bounce rate.

googles new algorithm weights the return to google bounce rate significantly higher then all characteristic now

because
1. it can't be manipulated
2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is

think about if a person finds what they are looking for on the page they aren't going to go back to google to search for it again.

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03-16-2010, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

your info is a bit outdated
no follow can no longer be used to pr shape

and your missing one of the most important characteristics bounce rate
or more specifically return to google bounce rate.

googles new algorithm weights the return to google bounce rate significantly higher then all characteristic now

because
1. it can't be manipulated
2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is

think about if a person finds what they are looking for on the page they aren't going to go back to google to search for it again.

This is more focused on SEO directly which will be a later post. I agree that bounce rate and B.T.G is vital, but the Algo has nothing to do with this, your rankings do. There is high controversy over whether or not Google can even determine your bounce rate unless you have analytics on your site, or the surfer viewing your site has the google tool bar installed. There are various sources to verify this info.

But again, Google is a power house and nobody really knows how much info Google can collect from a site that does not use analytics. If a site was only opened from a Yahoo search on a daily bases, how would Google know your bounce rate? That's where people have assumed that the toolbar must gather information about the surfers visited sites.

The reasoning most people state for Google paying attention, but not strickly holding a ton of weight to it is because a competitor could put a hit bot on your site, or simple open and close the site 1000 times a day and drop your rankings

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03-16-2010, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

your info is a bit outdated
no follow can no longer be used to pr shape

and your missing one of the most important characteristics bounce rate
or more specifically return to google bounce rate.

googles new algorithm weights the return to google bounce rate significantly higher then all characteristic now

because
1. it can't be manipulated
2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is

think about if a person finds what they are looking for on the page they aren't going to go back to google to search for it again.

Flawed logic, not all traffic originates from 'google'.

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03-16-2010, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

googles new algorithm weights the return to google bounce rate significantly higher then all characteristic now

because
1. it can't be manipulated
2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is

think about if a person finds what they are looking for on the page they aren't going to go back to google to search for it again.

you are wrong...

if anything significant has changed, its google's emphasis on FRESH relevant content..

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03-16-2010, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

you are wrong...

if anything significant has changed, its google's emphasis on FRESH relevant content..

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Fresh Relevant Content is highly focused on for sure, especially with quality keyword rich text and properly tagged, named, and SE friendly hosted images

www.url.com/images/site/folder1/0003/image.jpg is not as effective with Google image traffic as
www.url.com/images/anal-sex.jpg alt="Anal Sex with Cumshot"

proper imaging mixed with quality text is a Google winner

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03-16-2010, 05:39 PM

Love this discussion, bump it up for more.

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03-16-2010, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

because
1. it can't be manipulated
2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is

1. It absolutely can be manipulated and rather easily.
2. In theory yes, as long as your #1 is true.

I've always believed that bounce rate was a factor. I've recently had a page #1 in Google for a term within a couple of hours of posting only to have it fall back a few positions by the next day. It's not a guaranteed indicator but it's hard to pinpoint what other factors would make a ranking drop so quickly when all other factors realistically haven't changed much in such a short time (including factors relating to competitor's pages).
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03-16-2010, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Kevsh

1. It absolutely can be manipulated and rather easily.

Very very easily.

If it is indeed a factor, it can't have too much weight placed on it. Anyone with access to a large quantity of proxies could goto town. Best watch your torrents and email attachments, because it would be fucking trojan city. Well, I guess that's the case anyways...
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03-16-2010, 10:35 PM

Awesome thread.. bookmarked

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03-17-2010, 04:17 AM

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03-17-2010, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by Varius

Very good info Bobby

I'd like to add one other factor, very often overlooked, is having valid html/css code. While i don't have a solid case study, it's been my experience that valid documents rank better.

Not to mention, it's just a good practice anyways, as having valid code will prevent most cross-browser "surprises" and make your site more accessible. Validation check tools can also alert you to where you may have forgotten alt tags on images, etc...

I recommend using this free validation tool: http://validator.w3.org/

True, forget about tables, do it all in clean CSS and html, and validate it.

Also, a hand written script does way better than an "off the shelf" script you can buy... Uniqueness is key!

And always, always, always, make your own texts, descriptions, linking structure etc etc...
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03-17-2010, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by 2bet

This is more focused on SEO directly which will be a later post. I agree that bounce rate and B.T.G is vital, but the Algo has nothing to do with this, your rankings do. There is high controversy over whether or not Google can even determine your bounce rate unless you have analytics on your site, or the surfer viewing your site has the google tool bar installed. There are various sources to verify this info.

But again, Google is a power house and nobody really knows how much info Google can collect from a site that does not use analytics. If a site was only opened from a Yahoo search on a daily bases, how would Google know your bounce rate? That's where people have assumed that the toolbar must gather information about the surfers visited sites.

The reasoning most people state for Google paying attention, but not strickly holding a ton of weight to it is because a competitor could put a hit bot on your site, or simple open and close the site 1000 times a day and drop your rankings

ok i have done a split test
i put up a 2 minute tube site clip vs 10 minute clip
same pr, same links, same on page, same keywords, same base movie

the 10 minute clip ranked higher

Originally posted by Jdoughs

Flawed logic, not all traffic originates from 'google'.

2 words statistical sample

all the traffic doesn't have to come from google just like when they do voting results or polls not everyone in the US has to be asked who they will vote for to get accurate results.

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03-17-2010, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by will76

Thanks for sharing the info. Very helpfull.

I have a question. I've assumed that google will detect how much traffic your site gets and will give more love to sites that get a lot of traffic. If the site gets 10 hits a day I assume they know this (as they know everything) and not index you well. How many hits a day do you think a site needs to not be penalized for not being popular.

If I buy some good relavent inbound links but don't get a good placement on those sites and in turn get little traffic from them. I am wondering how much traffic I should buy for the site and how good the quality should be (all US, or mix of traffic).

I ask because I am building 100's of sites and can't go balls to the wall with traffic on all of them. But I can buy more traffic to help make them appear more popular, in addition to what ever traffic I get from hard links.

Thanks.

Did anyone have any thoughts on what I posted ? thanks

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03-17-2010, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by will76

I have a question. I've assumed that google will detect how much traffic your site gets and will give more love to sites that get a lot of traffic. If the site gets 10 hits a day I assume they know this (as they know everything) and not index you well. How many hits a day do you think a site needs to not be penalized for not being popular.

If I buy some good relavent inbound links but don't get a good placement on those sites and in turn get little traffic from them. I am wondering how much traffic I should buy for the site and how good the quality should be (all US, or mix of traffic).

I ask because I am building 100's of sites and can't go balls to the wall with traffic on all of them. But I can buy more traffic to help make them appear more popular, in addition to what ever traffic I get from hard links.

Thanks

Originally posted by will76

Did anyone have any thoughts on what I posted ? thanks

Hey Will, sorry, I completely missed your post.

I wouldn't focus on your initial traffic. Google takes into consideration all new sites with 0 traffic just as much as 10yo sites with 100,000,000 uniques a day. It comes back to original quality content and solid backlinks. I took a site recently, brand new and its a .biz (i like challenges) and ranked it top 10 for ExGirlfriends in about 40 days. I went from 0 uniques a day, to 12 uniques a day to now. The key is proper optimization, content, backlinks to get the site off the ground and out of sandbox. If you have 100's of sites, assuming your IP and C-class setup is solid, do some interlinking with related sites, some A-B-C's and focus on your content. Google will take care of you naturally and organically. As you know, there is alot more to SEO this just getting some inbounds, so what you need to focus on is steady SE traffic to your over all network and the sites you want to rank top 10 for major keywords needs the extra attention on a daily basis.

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03-17-2010, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by gideongallery

2 words statistical sample

all the traffic doesn't have to come from google just like when they do voting results or polls not everyone in the US has to be asked who they will vote for to get accurate results.

You cannot 'statistically sample' 15% of the internet, to tell what sites (in the remaining 85%) should rank.

They do not poll viewers about what shows they DID NOT watch, or HAVE NEVER heard of, and if a TV show isnt on, or isnt available to the viewers, they do not penalize it for not being 'viewed'.

What you are saying, and how you are explaining it in this context, is just not correct.

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