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XMaster 01-20-2017 04:10 AM

Do you really make money with VR ?
 
Hi guys.

VR is the big deal nowadays but beside the fun of this new technology, Is there really a market with which you can make money, right now?

VR headsets are very expensive, mobile headset sucks, and the market is very small anyway.

All those who had announced a VR product have postponed their plan or even no longer exist.

I'm interested in your insights and thought on this. I truly believe that VR can be huge but not necessarily the way it's started.

TeenCat 01-20-2017 05:06 AM

what do you expect for answer? yes, vr sells, go sell it! :thumbsup if someone cannot afford to buy headset, he cannot afford to buy pornsites anyway :) and the market is big enough and there are still sites that are in progress so far i know, did not hear about postponing or canceling vr project, who was that? :) have luck and have a nice weekend everyone :)

Brian mike 01-20-2017 05:16 AM

Why VR ? When you have REAL CAM girl in Real time available online :pimp:pimp:pimp.

Konda 01-20-2017 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XMaster (Post 21467515)
Hi guys.

VR is the big deal nowadays but beside the fun of this new technology, Is there really a market with which you can make money, right now?

VR headsets are very expensive, mobile headset sucks, and the market is very small anyway.

All those who had announced a VR product have postponed their plan or even no longer exist.

I'm interested in your insights and thought on this. I truly believe that VR can be huge but not necessarily the way it's started.


Mobile headsets don't suck that much, they work pretty well for VR porn even the $10 cardbox ones gives a pretty decent VR porn experience.

Some paysites give away a free cheap headset when you join, it works pretty well.

I am testing a few of them and they do get sales

Tea Money 01-20-2017 07:56 AM

It's definitely the future

BigFurry 01-20-2017 08:00 AM

The best headset for VR porn movies is actually a mobile one.

Gear VR is only $50-$70 extra for the owners of the Galaxy S6/S7 phones. In the S7 launch promos, you could actually get them for free.

(This applies to movies only, for games it's a different story.)

teomaxxx 01-20-2017 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21468010)

Some paysites give away a free cheap headset when you join, it works pretty well.

I am testing a few of them and they do get sales


which sites? I would like to promote them a bit...

celandina 01-20-2017 12:00 PM

For high end mainstream maybe, for cheap porn it will go the way of 3D ( a big hype about 4 years ago..) In my view it will be dead by the end of the year...:2 cents:

If nobody believes it just recall the 3D craze of 2011. I cannot sell you swamp land in Florida but two high end 3D video cameras.... For cheap :1orglaugh:thumbsup All porn was to be in 3D by 2012.

http://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-conte...deo-camera.jpg

PR_Glen 01-20-2017 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21468961)
For high end mainstream maybe, for cheap porn it will go the way of 3D ( a big hype about 4 years ago..) In my view it will be dead by the end of the year...:2 cents:

If nobody believes it just recall the 3D craze of 2011. I cannot sell you swamp land in Florida but two high end 3D video cameras.... For cheap :1orglaugh:thumbsup All porn was to be in 3D by 2012.

that is a pretty weak comparison. 3d never really took off for a reason, it was kind of terrible and used technology from the 60's with the red and green lenses even. VR involves much higher quality video shot specifically for it and equipment that is very popular and quite affordable compared to the 3d tv was. There is also limited content for it right now so headset owners are scouring the internet for anything new to view it with. Affiliates have been asking for more isolated markets that isn't just more of the same, this is a perfect example of that and it is a growing market. Wankz VR is killing it, and we aren't the only ones.

celandina 01-21-2017 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 21469228)
that is a pretty weak comparison. 3d never really took off for a reason, it was kind of terrible and used technology from the 60's with the red and green lenses even. VR involves much higher quality video shot specifically for it and equipment that is very popular and quite affordable compared to the 3d tv was. There is also limited content for it right now so headset owners are scouring the internet for anything new to view it with. Affiliates have been asking for more isolated markets that isn't just more of the same, this is a perfect example of that and it is a growing market. Wankz VR is killing it, and we aren't the only ones.

Hey more power to you and maybe you are right, but with VR ( or 360 view) you need to get rid off all the crap, cables,lights, crew and their gear, never mind the dirty kitchen, snoozing grandma in the BG etc...etc.... For a proper VR ( aside sitting somewhere with a box over your head), you need a fully adapted studio or location and green screens to hide the shit and then plate something suitable in it.... Not cheap....but what the heck do I know,maybe folks will not care if a dog is licking its balls in the BG while in the FG somebody is fucking, so good luck.:thumbsup

Also it was easier for a couple to fuck wearing pair of glasess ( while watching some sexy 3D porn) then sitting there with a milk carton on their heads watching VR.

Barry-xlovecam 01-21-2017 10:29 AM

If you can download VR content with no DRM then it will be given away on free tubes in a few months. Make the money while you can.

TheDynasty 01-21-2017 10:55 AM

VR Sells

MaDalton 01-21-2017 12:30 PM

Well, I do know first hand that it sells. And I just watched 2 days at AEE how people react that try it for the first time. It won't go away, it will only get better.

CamsEtc 01-21-2017 02:28 PM

^^ this ;)

Idigmygirls 01-21-2017 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 21468877)
which sites? I would like to promote them a bit...

We give away a high-end plastic headset to new members. Check https://www.holocashvr.com

To sign up to promote HoloGirlsVR. Multiple additional sites to promote including KinkVR and Burning Angel VR will be available shortly after our return from AVN.

jscott 01-21-2017 07:37 PM

So far not making much from few descriptive links, but have plans on launching vr projects that will give better results. From what ive heard, vr doing great!

Konda 01-21-2017 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 21468877)
which sites? I would like to promote them a bit...

Here are some, conversions are pretty much the same on these 3
Don't mind the ratios this is from a 'blind' text link on a (non related) tube, so not very targeted traffic
http://i.imgur.com/OIklQkD.png

Paul Markham 01-22-2017 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21468961)
For high end mainstream maybe, for cheap porn it will go the way of 3D ( a big hype about 4 years ago..) In my view it will be dead by the end of the year...:2 cents:

If nobody believes it just recall the 3D craze of 2011. I cannot sell you swamp land in Florida but two high end 3D video cameras.... For cheap :1orglaugh:thumbsup All porn was to be in 3D by 2012.

To shoot the average porn scene in VR isn't going to work, like 3D it will only emphasise how crap it is.

To shoot great porn in VR might just work. Assuming a company can sign up enough to justify the costs. For instance, if it requires twice as much money to shoot a site has to increase it's sales/retention every month.

So it will only be a handful of sites able to afford it.

Now factor in Piracy and free VR on Tubes. :Oh crap

Paul Markham 01-22-2017 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 21469228)
that is a pretty weak comparison. 3d never really took off for a reason, it was kind of terrible and used technology from the 60's with the red and green lenses even. VR involves much higher quality video shot specifically for it and equipment that is very popular and quite affordable compared to the 3d tv was. There is also limited content for it right now so headset owners are scouring the internet for anything new to view it with. Affiliates have been asking for more isolated markets that isn't just more of the same, this is a perfect example of that and it is a growing market. Wankz VR is killing it, and we aren't the only ones.

Not bad. WankzVR - College Rendezvous - Chloe Couture Video

This is the problem.

https://thepiratebay.org/search/WankzVR/0/99/0

Your movies aren't distinctive enough to make most viewers demand WankzVR. They can get off to any number of pirated suppliers or pay for membership on other people's sites.

Paul Markham 01-22-2017 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21471853)
If you can download VR content with no DRM then it will be given away on free tubes in a few months. Make the money while you can.

Don't ignore piracy. Older viewers might be less drawn to VR and more likely to pay for porn. Younger viewers are brought up on piracy.

Paul Markham 01-22-2017 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21472297)
Well, I do know first hand that it sells. And I just watched 2 days at AEE how people react that try it for the first time. It won't go away, it will only get better.

Watching games or movies will be awesome with VR, they have the budgets and people to get it right. We don't.

TeenCat 01-22-2017 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21473992)
Watching games or movies will be awesome with VR, they have the budgets and people to get it right. We don't.

hey paul, with all respect, if you are talking about you, do not say we ... :2 cents: :winkwink:

MaDalton 01-22-2017 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21473992)
Watching games or movies will be awesome with VR, they have the budgets and people to get it right. We don't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenCat (Post 21474031)
hey paul, with all respect, if you are talking about you, do not say we ... :2 cents: :winkwink:

this...

Sorry, Paul, but you have really no idea what can be done or not at this point - and what it costs.

XMaster 01-23-2017 03:43 AM

Thanks for your insights guys.

Paul Markham 01-23-2017 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenCat (Post 21474031)
hey paul, with all respect, if you are talking about you, do not say we ... :2 cents: :winkwink:

OK the majority of the porn producers. Obviously when I said we I didn't mean affiliates. :winkwink:

Paul Markham 01-23-2017 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21474913)
this...

Sorry, Paul, but you have really no idea what can be done or not at this point - and what it costs.

So tell us what a BG/GG Brazzers level porn scene costs to produce in VR and HD. finished and ready to go on site.

With good looking models, good location and good action.

celandina 01-23-2017 09:59 AM

You
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21473971)
To shoot the average porn scene in VR isn't going to work, like 3D it will only emphasise how crap it is.

To shoot great porn in VR might just work. Assuming a company can sign up enough to justify the costs. For instance, if it requires twice as much money to shoot a site has to increase it's sales/retention every month.

So it will only be a handful of sites able to afford it.

Now factor in Piracy and free VR on Tubes. :Oh crap


My very point, :2 cents:doing it well is where the costs are and I am NOT talking yet about content itself. Just the crap laying around, the "fish eye" distorted effect of cheap cameras and the erotic effect of a box on your head, after all, many couples watch good porn togheter to get inspired....;)

Colmike9 01-23-2017 10:18 AM

I have a much bigger background in 3d design and game development than web design.
But, if I want to make an adult VR game myself (Vive preferred), where would someone like me get funding for it instead of having to hunt and find an hourly job doing it for some other company?... :winkwink:

MaDalton 01-23-2017 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21477358)
So tell us what a BG/GG Brazzers level porn scene costs to produce in VR and HD. finished and ready to go on site.

With good looking models, good location and good action.

not one cent more than 2D - if you know what you do.

only post production is a little more extensive

Colmike9 01-23-2017 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21478405)
not one cent more than 2D - if you know what you do.

only post production is a little more extensive

I've only made some test games on Unity so far, but when you're filming VR, do you have to do any manual stitching? Just wondering what post is like. :upsidedow

MaDalton 01-23-2017 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 21478423)
I've only made some test games on Unity so far, but when you're filming VR, do you have to do any manual stitching? Just wondering what post is like. :upsidedow

nobody posted so far the full process in public - and I am not gonna start it :winkwink:

Colmike9 01-23-2017 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21478432)
nobody posted so far the full process in public - and I am not gonna start it :winkwink:

I understand. That's why I prefer Steam's SDK to do it for me in Unity lol. :winkwink: :2 cents:

Yanks_Todd 01-23-2017 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XMaster (Post 21467515)
Hi guys.

VR is the big deal nowadays but beside the fun of this new technology, Is there really a market with which you can make money, right now?

VR headsets are very expensive, mobile headset sucks, and the market is very small anyway.

All those who had announced a VR product have postponed their plan or even no longer exist.

I'm interested in your insights and thought on this. I truly believe that VR can be huge but not necessarily the way it's started.

Yes we are making money. The conversions are fantastic and we have raised our monthly price from $29.85 to $39.95. Not something we would do if the product wasn't selling. We offer no discounted join option.

Headsets and the necessary computer are expensive, but the price is coming down fast.

When you say "all those who had announced a VR product have postponed their plan or even no longer exist" who are you talking about exactly?

Yanks_Todd 01-23-2017 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21473992)
Watching games or movies will be awesome with VR, they have the budgets and people to get it right. We don't.

You really seem to think you know a lot here, but you really aren't knowledgeable in this space Paul.

Yanks_Todd 01-23-2017 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21473893)
Here are some, conversions are pretty much the same on these 3
Don't mind the ratios this is from a 'blind' text link on a (non related) tube, so not very targeted traffic
http://i.imgur.com/OIklQkD.png

Give us a try. Those sites are all pretty similar to each other content wise, hit the amateur niche as well. :) :thumbsup

The Porn Nerd 01-23-2017 01:28 PM

There are three real possibilities for VR:

1. It goes the way of 3D. Extra equipment to watch a porn vid is extra equipment, regardless of quality, and many who want a quick wank won't bother with it. Plus, it takes more computing power etc that most won't pay for - and what about viewing it on mobile? Bring your headset for a quick wank in the bathroom! No thanks.

2. It does ok in the beginning (as all fads do) then fades in a year or two. Not gone completely but a tiny fraction of the overall market and Producers/Webmasters will have to crunch numbers to see if it's worth the extra effort.

3. It becomes "the norm", or part of the norm. Meaning, it's now expected the way HD/4K is becoming expected. Remember, in a few years we'll all have chips in our bodies and be part of The Borg so interfacing with VR will BE "reality".

The next barrier is tactile reproduction. Get the user to wear gloves or a condom-like thing on their dick so that it FEELS like he's touching tits, pussy etc and actually getting fucked. Then it's game on! Til then....meh.

Colmike9 01-23-2017 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 21478870)

The next barrier is tactile reproduction. Get the user to wear gloves or a condom-like thing on their dick so that it FEELS like he's touching tits, pussy etc and actually getting fucked. Then it's game on! Til then....meh.

http://cdn1-www.craveonline.com/asse...9_2sexsuit.gif

VPT 01-23-2017 02:08 PM

It is the future for sure but it takes years before everybody use it. And hoping that there ar no sites which offer the vr content for free because that will hurt the market big.

The Porn Nerd 01-23-2017 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 21478903)

That's the idea!! But if that only comes in white you'll be dubbed a racist. :(

Colmike9 01-23-2017 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 21479014)
That's the idea!! But if that only comes in white you'll be dubbed a racist. :(

Make it with that white plastic from the 80s, it will turn yellowish brown eventually... :upsidedow


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