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ChefJeff 06-23-2005 03:12 PM

Why are only FSC members protected? 2257
 
Just out of curiousity...

Why is it that the injunction only protects FSC members?

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=231539

azguy 06-23-2005 03:13 PM

Why restaurant owners who pay protection money have no problems? :)

chase 06-23-2005 03:14 PM

I guess Roe vs Wade should have only made abortions legal for the parties involved, too, lolol.

Snake Doctor 06-23-2005 03:14 PM

Because there wasn't an injunction, there was a deal reached between the two parties.

I'm guessing the DOJ went for the deal so they'd still have the right to prosecute other people who aren't members of the class action suit.

Now quit whining and go pay your $300 to join the FSC.

:2 cents:

chase 06-23-2005 03:15 PM

But seriously, I wonder how they intend to handle expired memberships and new ones...will the "master list" be up to date?

chase 06-23-2005 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2
Because there wasn't an injunction, there was a deal reached between the two parties.

I'm guessing the DOJ went for the deal so they'd still have the right to prosecute other people who aren't members of the class action suit.

Now quit whining and go pay your $300 to join the FSC.

:2 cents:

Wanna make a deal? My ass for your money, lol :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Snake Doctor 06-23-2005 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chase
Wanna make a deal? My ass for your money, lol :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Well I want ALL of your ass but you can't have ALL of my money :winkwink:

Mrs. Lenny2 06-23-2005 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2
Well I want ALL of your ass but you can't have ALL of my money :winkwink:

Hey now, I get some of that ass too.

chase 06-23-2005 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2
Well I want ALL of your ass but you can't have ALL of my money :winkwink:

I don't need it all, just $300 apparently, haha!

ChefJeff 06-23-2005 03:21 PM

How about we form a new Coalition, with no dues, and make a deal with the DOJ> What's the difference?

Lester 06-23-2005 03:26 PM

Plus the FSC website isn't all that clear on the type of memberships available

Lets say that "website/webmaster" designation

Lets say I have 10 websites
Thats 300x10 according to a line item on their join form.

What if one or two or three of those 10 is sorta the ones to be concerned about.

Now its gonna be 2x300?? 3x300?

But I really have 10, Do I now lie to them??


I'm thinking hardly anyone has just "one" website around here

What does 50.00 get you, just the right to say you contributed but no protection?


More clarity is needed there..
If they're swamped, that's a bad excuse too
I haven't had any emails with these questions answered either so far

Redrob 06-23-2005 03:38 PM

If you go to the FSC's membership application page:

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/application.php

and click on the "individual" catagory radio button;

you will see that an unincorporated webmaster's dues are $300 per year.

If you are incorporated and click on the "corporate" radio button, then the dues are $300/per site for the corporation.

Snake Doctor 06-23-2005 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrob
If you go to the FSC's membership application page:

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/application.php

and click on the "individual" catagory radio button;

you will see that an unincorporated webmaster's dues are $300 per year.

If you are incorporated and click on the "corporate" radio button, then the dues are $300/per site for the corporation.

Actually we called yesterday because we couldn't get the fax to work.

we were going to pay $300 to join as webmasters and the girl on the phone said wait....if your annual sales are below a certain threshhold you can join for less....as little as $50.

Our sales put us in the $300 category though so it came out the same. But they're definitely not trying to squeeze every dime out of you either.

tranza 06-23-2005 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefJeff
How about we form a new Coalition, with no dues, and make a deal with the DOJ> What's the difference?

This new "Coalition" would need lawyers. How would you get lawyers with no $$?

ChefJeff 06-23-2005 04:04 PM

I'm simply trying to make a point. I dont actually have any ambition of putting together a coalition and hire an attorney. Unless he's cheap.

Far-L 06-23-2005 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefJeff
Just out of curiousity...

Why is it that the injunction only protects FSC members?

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=231539

The FSC is a trade organization, not a civil liberties union. Trade orgs look after the interests of their membership.

pornguy 06-23-2005 05:06 PM

Let the DOJ go against one of the sites that is not a member of the FSC. See what happens to the FSC when that person wins a suit against them and the judge.

Redrob 06-23-2005 05:24 PM

FSC is pleased to announce that all membership and litigation contributions can be processed over the telephone as of 6:00 am Pacific Time Friday morning, June 24, 2005, through 2:00 pm, Saturday, June 25, 2005. Call 800.681.0403. Credit cards will be processed over the telephone.

TheSenator 06-23-2005 05:31 PM

Most likely a deal was reach way before the June 23rd. The DOJ has been talking to the FSC way before.....

Hopefully, the FSC insider has good connections.

Mr.Fiction 06-23-2005 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
Let the DOJ go against one of the sites that is not a member of the FSC. See what happens to the FSC when that person wins a suit against them and the judge.

Will this person file his million dollar lawsuit against the government before or after he goes to jail because he couldn't afford $300 to join FSC?

:1orglaugh

GigoloJustin 06-23-2005 05:45 PM

Holy shit ..


Some people are just fucking insane. If anyone in this industry can't afford the $300.00, then they are obviously not in this business for the money. Most likely you in it for the hype, you want to tell your friends "i work in porn!". I personally, if it weren't for the $$... would run far far far away.

VeriSexy 06-23-2005 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azguy
Why restaurant owners who pay protection money have no problems? :)


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

invertiga 06-23-2005 05:59 PM

Wish i ran the FSC right now, be makin hella bank $$.

Centurion 06-23-2005 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza
This new "Coalition" would need lawyers. How would you get lawyers with no $$?


Just use the folks that have been on "The Surreal World!" :upsidedow

Centurion 06-23-2005 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L
The FSC is a trade organization, not a civil liberties union. Trade orgs look after the interests of their membership.

For a "trade" organization, I find the name free speech COALITION interesting.

Probono 06-23-2005 06:05 PM

Why is this so hard to understand

1. The lawsuit was filed by a few individuals and the Free Speech Coalition for it's members. They are the people covered by the agreement.

2. The law is still the law and has been the law since the last century.

3. The new regulations still apply for EVERYONE, all that is delayed are inspections for the protected class.

4. If you a member of the protected class use the time to get your records in order because unless a permanent injunction is granted they can come and enforce the law in the future.

If you are not willing to participate in the law suit you can file your own or quit complaining about paying for less than one hour of an attorney's time.

Mr.Fiction 06-23-2005 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Centurion
For a "trade" organization, I find the name free speech COALITION interesting.

There are a lot of business "coalition" trade groups. Look around.


What do you find interesting?

Centurion 06-23-2005 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
There are a lot of business "coalition" trade groups. Look around.


What do you find interesting?


Just because traditionally a "coalition" by it's definition means members of varying groups.

Mr.Fiction 06-23-2005 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Centurion
Just because traditionally a "coalition" by it's definition means members of varying groups.

FSC is webmasters, store owners, video producers, lawyers, etc.

Merrioc 06-23-2005 06:41 PM

same reason acacia still hammered people for lic money..

DOJ can still prosecute others or at lest file against people... look like there fighting the big bad CP porn peddlers win public opinion then blame 'technicalities' on loosing the case when the FSC wins the case...

they look good tell the rug it pulled out from under them... kinda like one of those 'looks good on your resume' jobs...

RogerV 06-23-2005 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefJeff
Just out of curiousity...

Why is it that the injunction only protects FSC members?

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=231539


Why should a few pay to protect everyone? Join and be pro active

RogerV 06-23-2005 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Probono
Why is this so hard to understand

1. The lawsuit was filed by a few individuals and the Free Speech Coalition for it's members. They are the people covered by the agreement.

2. The law is still the law and has been the law since the last century.

3. The new regulations still apply for EVERYONE, all that is delayed are inspections for the protected class.

4. If you a member of the protected class use the time to get your records in order because unless a permanent injunction is granted they can come and enforce the law in the future.

If you are not willing to participate in the law suit you can file your own or quit complaining about paying for less than one hour of an attorney's time.

:thumbsup

ChefJeff 06-24-2005 08:29 AM

Why should I jolin the FSC if I'm already compliant?

FilthyRob 06-24-2005 08:30 AM

I joined to support the people fighting the good fight, not because I felt pressured or anything.

Furious_Male 06-24-2005 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Will this person file his million dollar lawsuit against the government before or after he goes to jail because he couldn't afford $300 to join FSC?

:1orglaugh

That is not the issue. When and if NON FSC members start getting prosecuted under this new legislation the FSCs case will become weaker and weaker.

Evil Doer 06-24-2005 08:44 AM

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

Rebel D 06-24-2005 08:49 AM

Jimmy Hoffa Would Be Proud!!


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