Job interview: Boy glad I didn't get hired
 

I had a job interview yesterday. During the interview, I just "felt" it was like something was wrong - that something was just not right. First off, I knew there was a problem when he wanted to meet at a coffee shop for the interview.

So I sent him an email about lunch time to follow up and be congenial.

All I can say is wow, glad I didn't get sucked into working for this guy. I am *done with abusive employers.

Here was his response:

----- Original Message -----
From: Turgut Gerboga
To: 'John McCarthy'
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: PHP-HTML-CSS-AJAX Programmer


Hi John-

Good to hear back from you.

As you know I called you yesterday at 5:20pm and left a message. As I stated in my voice mail, I wanted to hear back from you last night to find out a good time to present you to our client today. However you did not get back to me until 12:50pm today which was too late. I presented another developer this morning at 9am and he was hired this afternoon.

Thank you for your interest and wish you best of luck.

Turgut

He has turds in his gut?

Oh don't we all, don't we all...

coders/programmers never meet deadlines, even just calling in for the job!

;)

Damn thats just impatient right there :)

He's one of those "so where we at?" type of employers asking every 10 minutes? I love those.

ummmm.. he's not the employer.. he's a recruiter/headhunter. They don't wait, if they have another candidate on the hook. They just want to get paid :)

I was flabergasted.

It's like saying - "I was going to marry the hot blonde that loved me and not my money and baked me cookies, but she didn't call on time so I married the ugly fat one that called on time"

Their are a million developers unemployed, if you don't move fast its get taken by some one else. With head hunters they compete with other head hunters, their biz in bad shape too...so all they want to do is place some one ASAP.

Weren't you at home that night that you missed the voice mail? then that's bad luck, otherwise sloppy...

these are the times when programmers should be hitting GAF .. and such places....

How is it possible you did not check your voicemail all night? And then get back to him in the afternoon the next day and you think he is too anal??? You are both lucky it did not work out as he would have been hating you too.

Obviously the guy doesn't have time to be jerked around, he called you few hours later, you never responded in a timely fashion, so he hired someone else... I don't get it, what's the problem?

...and if this took place today, then he probably had a friday deadline to come up with a programmer for the client... waiting till 1pm friday afternoon was obviously cutting it too close for him... so he chose someone else for the job...

Think you can find top programmers in less than 24 hours? Show me.

There are lots more unemployed people in today's economy. But they are not top candidates, they are just more rif raff...

He didn't find a top programmer in 24 hours, my guess is he interviewed at least a few people during the week, by Thursday 5pm he made a decision who to hire... he thought you were the top candidate so he called you, you took your time calling back, so he went with his number 2 choice... doesn't sound complicated at all to me...

Seems like normal business to me.
They were ready to make a decision and made it.

The guy could have waited a week and maybe you never called back.
He was thinking about that possibility also.

they guy made the right decision. he trusted his hunch. you have poor judgement.

I dont think 3 hours is "taking my time to call back".

I am mostly aghast at how he was a dick about it...

It's one of those, both sides have a good case. He wasn't been overly arrogant he was justs giving his reason.

But really, get a mobile!

You don't have a job, what else were you doing for 3 hours other than being on top of the guy who could have given you one??

He wasn't a dick AT ALL in his reply. He let you know the situation and the reason for the situation. No smart remarks, I didn't sense any sarcasm or attitude there at all.
You should've made sure you were around for his call, you were the one looking for the job after all.

you sent email + he calls you + you don't call back quickly = you lose

I know what you're saying, but in the end this guy will be successful. The reason why I'm saying that is, from that e-mail he seems like a very good businessman. No bs'ing around, no wasting time, just brutally honest and 100% business orientated. Sometimes you have to be a bit of an asshole to kick it far.

camperjohn64 = idiot

What on earth is the relevance of that?

Would you have called him back in time if he met you in an office?

I hope you already have a job and were just looking at the market, because this guy is unlucky to touch you if your paths cross again.....especially if he ever googles himself.

i work for food

Thats just business. The only thing I see in the e-mail that might even be asshole-ish is the general honesty of his reply. He didn't string you along or anything like that, he just told you that he had made a decision and had gone with it.

You took 19 hours and emailed him back. I would think about it if I were you because lots of people are saying your attitude shows you did not want the job.

What makes you think you are a top coder ? if you are top coder you will be not looking for a Job.

Trust me, I have been hiring coders for all most 20 years and when ever some one says they are the top it raises red flags.

another unemployable idiot who can't understand why he's unemployed

Please, nobody on this board would have pulled that shit.. You call a possible employee back "after work hours" are over.. and you expect them to call you back during your business being closed?

So you wouldn't mind a new possible employee calling you at 11pm or 5am in the morning?

This was a scam from the start, coffee shop interviews for a job, are "Scam" jobs. Expect them to call you back next week.

If he wants you to be professional he should present the company in a professional way.


Good choice not going with a crap company.

"I presented another developer this morning at 9am and he was hired this afternoon...."

I don't buy that either, what company gives an answer the same day?

Sounds more like the headhunter is on a power trip and throwing a hissy fit :2 cents:

You haven't dealt with recruiters before I see... this is how they do business. Seriously.

i should say from her msg. that she's very impatient.

Nope, don't think I have dealt with job recruiters before.

I would guess they get paid for each position they get filled. Being so, they are going to get the person that responds the fastest. Probably giving up quality sometimes.

The companies prob have some mad turn over rate.... I just don't understand why a corp would give up probably the most important quality control factor for a company to some guy that will take the fastest phone call.

That would have to be a sad company to work for.

Most headhunters I've dealt with were arrogant and full of self importance.

I hired them, so they toned it down a bit, but still they managed to annoy the fuck out of me.

Don't know why they fancy themselves so much when the reality of their job is one of a middle level salesman. :2 cents:

The deal is, that this guy was NOT a recruiter. He claimed that the work would be done for a client of his, but he did own the company.

Oh, and the job posting was on Craigslist. That should have tipped me off right there. :-)

I remember when i was called on meeting for job on job agency and bitch didn't know why i was there(and she called me to come there exactly at that time)

Trust no bitch

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

was waiting for that, knew you'd come through

He wasn't being a dick about it, he was just telling you how it is. If he wanted to be a dick about it, it probably would have read something like this:

Hi John-

Good to hear back from you. I was growing concerned since you failed to respond in a timely manner. I mean, you are the one looking for a job. In today's climate I figured you must be in a hospital or laying injured on the side of a road somewhere.

As you know I called you yesterday at 5:20pm and left a message. As I stated in my voice mail, I wanted to hear back from you last night to find out a good time to present you to our client today. However you did not get back to me until 12:50pm today which was too late. I took this as a sign of what it would probably be like communicating with you after you got the assignment. I just could not risk it, so I presented another developer this morning at 9am and he was hired this afternoon.

Thank you for your interest and wish you best of luck as you most certainly will need it.

Turgut

The irony is thick with this one. :2 cents:

so the other guy has a job and is making money now, and you are on here posting about how you aren't making money lol

Did he in fact ask you to contact him the evening before? If you failed to get in touch with him when he asked and didn't respond till noon the next day I can understand why he went in a different direction.

:eek7 :eek7

good recruiters get paid to get the person in
and get a bigger bonus if the person stays more that x days.

i never work with recruiters who don't have the double payday
guys who only get paid for the original setup never care about making sure you and the company match up.