Hacked emails show global warming fraud
 

seems like a hacker got some emails from "scientists" discussing how to manipulate global warming data

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Have you read what some of them say? Tax fraud, government fraud, bribery, tempering and surpressing evidence, silencing sceptics etc. This is very disturbing, considering this is the tax funded leading scientists in UK, NASA etc.:
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/index.php



It's also in the headlines now:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/sc...e.html?_r=1&hp
?This is not a smoking gun; this is a mushroom cloud?

:uhoh:uhoh:uhoh

Actually it appears it was "leaked" from someone on the inside not hacked. First reports were saying hacked and most are now saying leaked.

Just cant trust anybody.

Not sure what all is in these emails but I have believed for years that "global warming" was a load of crap. Especially when it comes to man causing it. I will repeat what I said in these threads:
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/909537-dismisses-global-warming-fake-scam-feel-sorry.html
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/875889-global-warming.html

News reports today are just like movies, mostly made up.

I just downloaded the zip with the docs and e-mails. I'm reading through them now..

That pretty much spells out my opinion of things. Quit saying we're killing the earth. We're not. We're only killing ourselves, and possibly a large portion of the existing life on earth.

You could submerge the entire surface of the earth under a mile of crude oil, and you will not kill the earth. You could strip the entire atmosphere away, and you will not kill the earth.

People need to quit playing it off as something it isn't. The planet does not care for us, and will do whatever it sees fit. We've been warming since the fucking ice age. Everything in nature cycles. It will cool and warm, yadda yadda. Deal with it.

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Yeah it doesnt even real take that sort of discovery to realize the whole "global warming" thing is complete and utter bullshit.

Well, if you read the correspondence, you also see that they admit the problem is not as big as they said and showed the public, and they manipulated. I already disregarded junk science aka Al Gore, but if we can't even trust NASA and the UK scientists, who should we trust? I believed them - now I'm in serious doubt. There IS global warming, but not that bad.

Mother Nature has no problem wiping out humans. Earthquakes, floods, typhoons, volcanos, etc... I'm waiting for yellowstone's old faithful to erupt.

When you look at the people pushing global warming --Al Gore and his ilk --you know it has to be a fraud.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/


?This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the ?peer-reviewed literature?. Obviously, they found a solution to that?take over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering ?Climate Research? as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board?What do others think??

I believe everything I read on the internetz!

Think about this.

What if you were, say, the most powerful country on Earth, and it had been that way for some time, and you liked it that way. But, there was the threat that the Chinese could finally awaken from their communist slumber and become industrialised and take over the number one spot.

How could you prevent this? War? No, they might win.

How about persuading them that if they continue to industrialise at the rate they are, they will destroy the planet. That might slow them down long enough for you to figure out a way to compete.

This doesn't surprise me, it seems to me that anybody that is in the know is lying about something. The more I research anything,(Climate change, Religion, Politics, etc.), it seems that your whole life is just one big lie! -SAD.

This view is a bit simplistic and not thoroughly thought out. Why?

China has their own scientist. Watching this as close as ours. And what conclusions have they come too?

"Chinese Scientists Say C02 Impact on Warming May Be ?Excessively Exaggerated? ? Scientists Lin Zhen-Shan?s and Sun Xian?s 2007 study published in the peer-reviewed journal Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics: "Although the CO2 greenhouse effect on global climate change is unsuspicious, it could have been excessively exaggerated." Their study asserted that "it is high time to reconsider the trend of global climate change.?

That was in 2007. By your analogy the world hangs on the data of American Scientists and that is simply no true. Every country has its own scientists, studying the same things as ours.

Sure it's simplistic and it's not only the US, all Western nations that wouldn't want to see power transfer to the East have to be in on it. But I do believe that the throttling of growth in China and India amongst others is all part of the agenda.

Its all about money.

Yeah, never trust a politician. WMD in Iraq anyone?

climate tax anyone?

You mean I was suckered into these carbon offset credits, lol!!!

And you're going to believe this people about 2012 if they can't even tell you the truth about global warming?

Let me put it another way. Your story? Nothing but simplistic fantasy.

In your original statement you were somehow under the impression that we somehow had the power to stop their industrialization by guilt tripping them into thinking they will destroy the planet.

I hate to break it to you but China is already on a fast track to becoming green. It wouldn't surprise me if they surpass us. Do some searches. Educate yourself.

So in short...
1. The US and the rest of the world are NOT using climate change to bring a country to its knees.
2. China has its own grip on the global warming issue and does not need any other country to hold its hand to make sure it understands.
3. China is already making huge strives toward cutting down its carbon footprint.

:2 cents:

The end goal is a redistribution of wealth.
Duke

What is there to believe? That the world hasn't changed in 10,000 years. That we still have crazy fanatics that always have to be looking for the end of the world.

It is sad that after 10,000 years we still can't breed the idiot out of our nature.

Al Gore invented the internet and global warming.


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Global body needed to direct green technology, G77 says
Developing nations call for UN body to police battle on climate change
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ate-change-g77

The woman who runs those sites is of O'Reilly Factor fame.

I get tired of hearing people say that the earth goes through cycles and this happened before and we are just going through another cycle.

What makes now different from the past is mankind and the things he's introduced into the environment in just the last 100 years or so that can potentially render the earth uninhabitable.

People need to understand just how balanced but fragile the ecosystem is and how fragile and critical the earth's atmosphere is and how neither is indestructible. Their loss would create a domino effect that would kill the earth. When I say kill the earth I mean that ALL living things would die making it a dead planet like Mars.

You would have to be an idiot to think that mankind can't make the earth uninhabitable.

How interesting.

Global warming lol...

those of you that have been screaming Conspiracy Theory regarding global warming were SOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT!

1. Where in my text that you quoted did I talk about ANYTHING cyclical.
2. What you quoted was in reference to the thought process of humans, ie. religion, need for end of world prophecies, etc.
3. The earth DOES go through cycles and it is FACT. We are able to know what climates were like over 1,000's upon 1,000's of years through ice or soil core data.
4. No where did I mention that man COULD NOT make the earth uninhabitable. But as of today there is no conclusion one way or the other that man is at this time having any affect at all. There are scientist crying on both sides of the fence. It is a matter of ONLY making up your mind who to believe as it is clear YOU are not a scientist or even uneducated on the subject outside of documentaries. These emails shed a harmful light on scientist who claim global warming is a real threat.
5. I have always been of the opinion that we NEED to stop polluting when we have the technology for safer means of energy. Unfortunately greed seems to put that on the slow track.

1. In post #5 you quoted yourself as saying cyclical.

2. I quoted your post as I was speaking to you and your views and not so much that quote specifically.

3. How can you say some scientist's data can't be believed and then say something else is FACT because the scientists have the data to prove it. A fact is a fact until it's been disproved.

4. If you believe that man could make the earth uninhabitable through his actions don't you think it would be prudent to take a proactive stance towards global warming? If it's not happening now couldn't we at least take precautions to prevent it from happening in the future.

5. I believe that mankind could very easily make the planet uninhabitable in numerous ways if left unchecked. It doesn't bother me one bit that global warming is a serious issue one way or the other. If they get it right it saves the planet. If it turn's out it wasn't true then it was just an inconvenience. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

are you for real?

Call For Independent Inquiry Into Climategate as Global Warming Fraud Implodes

http://www.infowars.com/call-for-ind...raud-implodes/

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/climatology_dees.jpg

You're not comprehending what I am saying. As far as US causing global warming, that is divided into two camps of scientists. Those who think WE are the cause and those who do not.

I was merely stating that it is PROVEN FACT accepted by ALL scientists that the earth goes through climate cycles in connection with CO2 levels. They have traced back over 70,000 years, computing data taken from ice cores. It clearly shows cycles of warming and cooling trends each preceding higher or lower levels of CO2.

The only thing up for debate is if man is causing this newer warming cycle, which in fact seems to all ready be ending, to occur faster than its cyclical counterparts.

This whole climate change bullshit is just cover for the New World Order camp to bring in their world government. Just search "world government" in google news. Tons of headlines openly talking about it.

Honestly when I click open a web page with lots of sarah palin tour ads, I'm not expecting neutral reporting.

Parts of a news report not included in the blogs:
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"Gavin Schmidt, a research scientist with NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, says the e-mails offer no damning indictment of climate researchers, and that bloggers are reading information in them out of context.

"There's nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax," he told Threat Level. "There's no funding by nefarious groups. There's no politics in any of these things; nobody from the [United Nations] telling people what to do. There's nothing hidden, no manipulation.

"It's just scientists talking about science, and they're talking relatively openly as people in private e-mails generally are freer with their thoughts than they would be in a public forum. The few quotes that are being pulled out [are out] of context. People are using language used in science and interpreting it in a completely different way."

Trenberth agrees.

"If you read all of these e-mails, you will be surprised at the integrity of these scientists," he says. "The unfortunate thing about this is that people can cherry pick and take things out of context."
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If you were caught in one of the biggest frauds in history wouldn't you be trying to explain it off trying to keep you head out of the noose?

Really? The biggest fraud in history? Ok.

Dude they are/were getting ready to tax pretty much everything under the sun with this scam. Change and manipulate our entire society with it.

I presume you are referring to Saddam Hussein who convinced the *world* he had WMD to intimidate Iran, a country he feared and had fought in a bloody 8 year war.

sad thing is people are going to fall for this spin.... out of context, cherry picking, no proof global warming is hoax, no big deal...


As this guy summerized, it's a big deal..
“Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organized resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more” was revealed in the 61 megabites of confidential files released on the Internet for anyone to read
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a...hadley_hacked/

So you're saying that the actual experts saying the stolen stuff is out of context, is actually spin?

So the tail IS wagging the dog, lol.

If you stole 61 megs of my emails, you could "prove" I was the devil himself I'm sure.