Does a movie like TAKEN offend you?
 

Just curious because I'm wondering how much of a problem international white slavery is? Is this a real problem and wouldn't someone as lethal and connected as the protagonist in this story get his daughter back pretty easily with one phone call?

I was a fan of hardcore (oops HARDCORE the film) from the seventies and still sort of am even though I found out Hollywood has no zoning laws LOL but still curious on this movie.

Also SNUFF FILMS. Supposedly they are urban legends and there is no record with FBI of one ever being legit (I know probably the FBI is involved, but just in case they aren't...)...

Good movie !

It is a larger problem than any government would like to admit. Just Google it.

No! Really? Why? I won't even bag on you. I seriously want to know why you like that movie!

I know I can google things that don't even exist and you know that too, right and it will look like they exist. Also the situation and execution bothers me.

As far as google I can create things like the Da Vinci Code and make them look legit, (like the Da Vinci Code LOL)!

Okay that's not fair. I sort of broke a promise here. I'm going to stop being a smart ass and I seriously want to know opinions. No one will trust me in the future and you're opinion is more important than mine seriously.

My sincere apologies. For all I know there are people right below my feet underground doing shit I couldn't possibly imagine. It's not like anyone is going to tell me or admit to it. Seriously.

FBI deletes its own records. Why would there be any records with FBI and CIA? There would not be any records.

P. S.

I do not recommend watching snuff.

It's good cause he whips some ass

No white slaves in porn. None at all.

I don't recall there being a link to wikipedia or the weeklyworldnews in my response.

Google it. It is a serious problem.

The part about the insanely connected father is out in left field.

I think you and I both know that snuff films exist. If Babu can shout allah ackbar while he video tapes the head of a journalist being hacked off, I think its pretty safe to say that snuff films are being made somewhere.

On top of that how many murderers and rapists have recorded their crimes? I'm sure more than one real snuff film has made their rounds in this world. What really qualifies as a snuff film anyways? Does it need to be a commercial endeavour? Either way, I'm sure those exist somewhere too...

Two words


NATALIE HOLLOWAY

Good point, but yes, I was really talking about that. Yes, I'm actually talking about the commercial endeavours?

Actually I have real reasons for making this post, nothing that will change the state of affairs, but something creative I'm working on. I have to reply back to get more info but I'm not bagging I love your opinions!

Let us know how your snuff film turns out... :1orglaugh

I actually don't believe snuff films exist. They don't make sense to me. But I don't believe in Big Foot or the JFK Conspiracy either, although I know there was a legit Lincoln Conspiracy.

I totally love your input so I'm cutting and pasting a disclaimer like to the other guy at the bottom of this post. I promised not to bag but want more input. Although I don't think I'm bagging, just responding with my own beliefs but just in case.

Actually I have real reasons for making this post, nothing that will change the state of affairs, but something creative I'm working on. I have to reply back to get more info but I'm not bagging I love your opinions!

:1orglaugh

Actually I'm writing a fucked up story, almost as useless and fucked up as the ones I always bag on LOL. I have some direct to video credits and something in porn inspired something else that I probably should have done a long time ago.

I wanted a novel but it will probably end up being a screenplay cause that's what I'm figuring out I'm good at.

There have been several news stories by US TV networks about women from eastern Europe being brought over and forced to work off their debt as hookers.

Saw one not long ago on NBC or one of their cable networks I think.

Hrm. I don't follow how you don't believe that they exist (as a generalization). But I can see how the fabled story of someone being paid $25k ahead of time, going out and having a wild party with the last days of their life and then showing up to be killed on film sounds far fetched.

People have had 8mm film and various other sorts of home video equipment for a very long time. Add that to people's deviant behavior, and you're bound to come up with some snuff. IMHO the odds of it not existing are far slimmer than the odds that it does.

Human trafficking has been around since the dawn of 'civilized' man. While modern day international news seems to be limited to sex crimes some wacko who is way over the top committed, or about how a bunch of priests took a trip to Thailand for some boy lovin', the reality is a lot of eastern euro and Russian girls have been forced in to the sex trade. There are some documentaries about it, but I can't seem to recall a name.

This is actually an awesome plot and/or set up (but I think I have seen that before for the record) and not what I saw in this movie so I think we are talking about two different flicks.

I'm talking about that Iiam Nessan crap (schindler's list in case I spelled his name wrong).

Actually it's all about execution anyway. My favorite screenwriter is Charlie Kaufman and he executes the most ridiculous situations ever but he's a brilliant screenwriter, BEING JOHN MALKEOVICH, ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF SPOTLESS MIND, SYNDECOCHE, NY, ETC.

My Aunt Florene dips snuff and it's gross to watch her spit it out into a bowl by her rocking chair. I wouldn't want to see a film about it.

People bring in Mexicans and Asians to work in sweatshops to pay off their debts. I don't see why bringing in an Eastern European, or any nationality, for slave prostitution is hard to believe.

Same thing with snuff. There are some bizarre, crazy people out there.

I watched taken a few weeks ago when I got some spare time, of course taken into account it still is a movie so most of the stuff is made up or exaggerated it is a common fact that since the EU opened it's borders a lot of criminals from east europe moved to big cities like paris, amsterdam etc where the most income is derived from drugs and prostitutes. Kidnapping and forced prostitution would fit perfectly in their businesses i am sure.

I found man on fire much better but hey everybody has it's favorites :)

I liked it too.

human trafficking is another good one

You mean that in the "larger picture" the adult industry someway somehow promotes that kind of activity?

I love MAN ON FIRE, the remake - tony scott director, denzel washington. I even felt Dakota Fanning wasn't useless for once. you should see REVENGE another tony scott no one liked with Kevin Costner

My whole thing with this movie is the whole auction thing, the prices, and the people involved and who would have to be silenced with all these people involved to pull of a conspiracy of this size. You can't keep secrets with just two unknown nobodies involved who can't afraid to purchase people for several hundred thousand dollars a pop, let alone all these big wigs that would have to be involved for something like this. The pope can't keep his little boy racket going without people finding out. The JFK thing is cause people got shot, which would be the only way to really do it if it was for that reason and then the final guy would have to shoot himself, just to make sure.

Just saying

It's a story. For entertainment. You are supposed to watch it and see something you aren't seeing in everyday life, not analyse it to death.

If the people who made movies got rid of that attitude we would probably be seeing better movies being made. Some movies you can tell were worked on by people who cared what they were associated with in the long term. Other's I think are made by people who products of inbreding and nepotism. This would be one of those.

I was offended over how hard it tried to be like the Bourne films. And failed.

Part of me still enjoyed it tho:2 cents:

Absolutely.

And might I add... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway

... what a tragic mess that is.

I want to do a movie about people selling castrated bronzed penises to an underground group of rich people willing to pay half a billion dollars at least for them. This is based on a true story because we all know rich twisted people exist and start underground cults for fun and kicks and never get caught or exposed for anything like politicians and movie stars and other rich people that everyone, especially the paparazzi, keeps close watch on...

That is why i mentioned it as a generalization. The fairy tale of snuff.

The 'Taken' storyline is definitely not a likely one either. There are just way too many bit players in any organized crime syndicate to be able to track down one specific guy in such a short period of time. I don't care how connected you are, that is like looking for a needle in a haystack. even if you know which city the girl was taken from and then taken to, we're talking about a city. Most people can't find their car in a mall parking lot, or their friends in a concert lineup. :2 cents:

I do actually like the snuff fairy tale as a story line though. I have a partially written story outline involving something along those lines, but I think it would be a very tough mainstream sell. I'm not sure how they managed to get 8mm on the big screens. heh

I disagree. I think it's very easy to find people especially people who matter like this family did. Now depending on who took them, you may have to cover things up, but these losers didn't look like anyone you'd cover up or could do it themselves by any stretch of the imagination. They looked more like the type of losers you'd set up for something like this even at the point of creating the crime.

hehe, nope, no movie can offend me (I think) :)