Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers

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  • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
    Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
    • Jul 2004
    • 38323

    #421
    As much as I appreciate your kind offer Nathan/Fabian, I do not wish to in any way appear to be perceived as being bought off with an expenses-paid trip to the AVN show. I assure you that I can easily afford to travel there on my own funds, if I so wish to.

    How about instead, you respond here forthrightly, and 100% honestly, in public, to some questions which I and others have posed, such as:

    1) Who are your partners/investors in Manwin?

    2) What is your plan (besides hiding behind the ridiculous provisions of the DMCA safe harbor provisions, which hopefully will be changed soon) for ensuring that your Manwin company, and known/suspected associates/entities/properties (such as Brazzers, JuggCash, KeezMovies, PornHub, Xtube, ExtremeTube, Tube8, MovieBox, Sex In Your City, etc), quit screwing over the rest of the industry by seemingly engaging in allowing obvious non-copyright holders/employees to post long scenes (or any scenes for that matter) of videos which they have no copyright to on any of your sites?

    3) What role, if any, do Stephane Manos (Man) or hahahahahahaha (oops, forgot, for some reason O-u-i-s-s-a-m, without hyphens, appears as hahahahahahaha on GFY) Youseff (Sef) play in Manwin's current operations?

    4) Does Virage Media Limited still exist? If not, when did it cease to exist, and why? Are the former Virage Media Ltd properties now part of Manwin?

    5) When did Manwin come into existence, and who are the partners/investors?

    6) When did Manwin acquire Mansef? In March or July, or whatever date?

    7) Is Bob Rice still a part of your Manwin operation? If not, when did he leave?

    8) What business relationship/association(s) have you, or any companies associated with you, (such as Virage Media or HQtube and Xtube) had with Envisionext/Stan Fiskin?

    9) What business relationship, if any, do you have with Jain Shaileshkumar (aka Sam Jain) or Bjorn Daniel Sundin (aka Daniel)? Some people here seem to think there is a money connection somehow.

    10) Would you consider contributing some of Manwin's profits to an industry-wide anti-copyright/anti-piracy effort?

    I have other straightforward questions, but I will save them for now. If you can straightforwardly answer the questions above, I will refrain from posing any additional questions, since I do not wish to cause you or your family any personal embarrassment, nor possible legal issues.

    I assure you that I am not attempting in any way to destroy you or your reputation, as you maudlinly claim (I suspect, in some way to gain sympathy/pity).

    I'm simply asking questions which I perceive that you have repeatedly ducked, dodged, and otherwise parried from.

    None of the information I have posted is personal (even if you or anyone else chooses to take it personally).

    Most, if not all, of the info I have posted about, came from easily accessible public sources on the internet, such as LinkedIn, and Google searches of your name, your nicks, and your various company names, plus names of people associated (or said to possibly be associated) with you.

    I assure you that I have not hacked into anything that is private or otherwise secure information. That is outside of my nature/proclivity, and skill-set.

    If you wish to be perceived as a respectable member of the adult industry (and I know many already do respect you for some of your past achievements - some of which I respect as well), by answering forthrightly, the simple questions which I have posed here, and prove yourself to sincerely and aggressively stand against content/copyright piracy (not just for your own content, but for the entire industry), then you may be surprised to find a strong ally in me.

    Respectfully yours,

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    • Ramster
      Confirmed User
      • Jul 2002
      • 1447

      #422
      Originally posted by Nathan
      Regarding DirtyWhiteBoys post, he clearly does not understand DMCA or 2257. But, regardless of that fact, I actually thought similarly about some of these aspects before I acquired the assets in question, but I also talked to prominent law firms to explain DMCA to me and I have now fully understood it. Some of you might want to do the same, since you clearly do not. That said, I have also said time and time again that we are changing certain things of how the tubes operate. I can repeat myself 500 times though if you plan to post some baseless accusation over and over again too... I have no problem with that.
      I did not read the entire thread and do not need to.

      2 words for you.... FUCK YOU

      I do not care about DMCA laws, that is not DirtyWhiteBoy's point, nor mine, nor anyone else!!! Our point is you have content you do not own on YOUR sites. Content you do NOT have the copyright to and that you did NOT produce or pay for.

      You are using other people's money/work/content to profit from. Everyone knows it is wrong, period!

      Hey, I think I'll buy a membership to Brazzer's, download a ton of those nice hi-def exclusive videos you have and use them to add updates to my members areas. That okay with you? Just to make us even?
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      • Qbert
        Confirmed User
        • Jun 2004
        • 813

        #423
        Originally posted by Ramster
        I did not read the entire thread and do not need to.

        2 words for you.... FUCK YOU

        I do not care about DMCA laws, that is not DirtyWhiteBoy's point, nor mine, nor anyone else!!! Our point is you have content you do not own on YOUR sites. Content you do NOT have the copyright to and that you did NOT produce or pay for.

        You are using other people's money/work/content to profit from. Everyone knows it is wrong, period!

        Hey, I think I'll buy a membership to Brazzer's, download a ton of those nice hi-def exclusive videos you have and use them to add updates to my members areas. That okay with you? Just to make us even?
        Amen!

        Let me add a second FUCK YOU to all those companies doing biz with these tube sites in the name of keeping their longer scenes from being listed. Just the fact that such an arrangement is possible puts their DMCA safe harbor status in question.

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        • lazycash
          Troll Patrol
          • Aug 2002
          • 15214

          #424
          Lol at Nathan referring to himself as a "big important person".
          "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..

          Its crazy..."

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          • kristin
            GOO!
            • Sep 2002
            • 9768

            #425
            Originally posted by rowan
            Nathan is awesome at trolling. A rerun of That 70's Show aired here last night, the one where Hyde teaches Jackie how to be Zen. Basically fob off all negative comments from people with a simple reply, and don't get bothered about it...

            Whatever.
            That's cool.
            That's one of my favorite That 70's Show, it's when she and Kelso break up.
            Vacares rules.

            "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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            • bdjerk
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2005
              • 219

              #426
              the truth will set you free.
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              • bdjerk
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2005
                • 219

                #427


                nathan is living by the denzel characters mantra in training day.

                "it's not what you know.....it's what you can prove"

                remembre that.
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                • JFK
                  FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 67373

                  #428
                  Originally posted by bdjerk


                  nathan is living by the denzel characters mantra in training day.

                  "it's not what you know.....it's what you can prove"

                  remembre that.
                  I liked that movie

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                  • crazytrini85
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 817

                    #429
                    The thread that just won't die.

                    This is better than a Brazzers $1000 contest thread. It will end up having more bumps and views by the time it's over.

                    Brazzers wins again. Well done Nathan.

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                    • Half man, Half Amazing
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 372

                      #430
                      Nathan, if it is against the TOS for all your assorted tube sites that users are not to upload copyrighted material, then how about when a content owner reports a video being used without their permission, the uploader of the video is banned and all their videos deleted. If you were such a standup guy and all that seems like a no-brainer.

                      But here's what I predict will happen. You won't do that because you know you can't actually populate your tube site with legitimate videos and have anyone give a shit about your site. If you did enact the policy I outlined above, I'll bet anyone in here a bag o' donuts that within a week the tube sites would change their layout so that you can't see who uploaded the video so that the copyright holders couldn't hold Nathan accountable for this policy. That or all uploaders would mysteriously be labeled as "anonymous".
                      Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.

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                      • peedy
                        Confirmed User
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 866

                        #431
                        Fuck 11 pages of a lot of BS bickering. At the end of the day the proof will be in the pudding. I don't trust Nathan/Fabian/Brazzers/Mansef/Manwin or whatever their name/face will be next week. They can say all the shit they want here, but its their ACTIONS that will speak louder than anything. I will stand by hoping to see favorable actions to the adult biz/community. Thats how you earn trust.
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                        • Lace
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                          • Mar 2004
                          • 16116

                          #432
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                          • PornstarXS
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                            • May 2007
                            • 358

                            #433
                            This reminds me of 300 when Xerxes says "You will find that I am kind. Unlike the cruel Leonidas, who demanded that you stand...I require only that you kneel."

                            Better yet sounds like a game of hot potato with diarrhea.
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                            • TDF
                              Triple OG nigga on GFY
                              • Mar 2002
                              • 27296

                              #434
                              Sig heil

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                              • Far-L
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2002
                                • 6065

                                #435
                                I love hearing how working with Brazzers must mean we are desperate and willing to do anything for traffic. That just makes me happy because it is the kind of assumptive diagnosis that leads people to guide their efforts based on what they think other people are doing rather than clear analysis of what actually works for them.

                                If any one actually took an easy perspective of us and did some due diligence, then they would realize we don't rely on Brazzers, we don't rely on affiliates, and we are not only solid but growing, slowly but surely, and with a strong foundation that sustains us in even the worst economic times.

                                At the end of the day, all of this debate and denigration comes down to one thing... who is going to get to say "I told you so".

                                And for the record, if we weren't making money on tube traffic we wouldn't put time/effort/cash into producing clips for them. If it cost us too much more than sending out an email to take down unauthorized clips then I would take a different more agressive stance to protect our marks.

                                Quick question... how many here that are bitching about stolen content have actually paid for a trademark or actually copyright their content?
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