UntouchedMarkets - pr0 - Refund My Money NOW

[Brujah]

he said employee not employer

learn how to read and comprehend

[ajrocks]

I've been dealing with Pr0 for years and have never had an issue with him. He's a stand up guy, and if you are having an issue I'm sure he's going to get it fixed up. Sometimes issues come up that you aren't expecting with workers and time. If Pr0 is taking stabs at you I'm sure you might be asking for it. He's a no bullshit guy generally so something is up here.

[candyflip]

I've been dealing with Pr0 for years and have never had an issue with him. He's a stand up guy, and if you are having an issue I'm sure he's going to get it fixed up. Sometimes issues come up that you aren't expecting with workers and time. If Pr0 is taking stabs at you I'm sure you might be asking for it. He's a no bullshit guy generally so something is up here.

So someone puts money up and gets stiffed, and he deserves to be called names because he probably did something to ask for it?



The folks in this business and their retarded logic make me laugh every day.

[Jman]

We've delt with pr0 before and always been golden to us.

[Agent 488]

really don't know why he wouldn't just send back the 2 grand. especially if he didn't even do any of the work. to not do that sounds fucking shady.

[CaptainHowdy]

Late spottin'... This is a rare one, this needs further investigation (I'm on "fatfoo" mode).

[candyflip]

This drama seemed like it was going to be interesting when I was drunk last night.

I must say now that I am sober, I am quite disappointed.

Considering the party who got scammed was banned for posting the (accused) scammer's given personal name, which have now been deemed "private" information...I can see why you are disappointed.

[TheDoc]

Considering the party who got scammed was banned for posting the (accused) scammer's given personal name, which have now been deemed "private" information...I can see why you are disappointed.

Wouldn't by the rules, the guy would have to provide "proof" that he was scammed? Let alone posting Pr0s full name, which I didn't know before this thread?

Actually, yes... so either way, the guy was fucked.

You trollin just to troll?

[candyflip]

I just think that it's bullshit that someone got called out and then had someone else banned because his given name is posted. Your given name is NOT private information ever...no matter how much you want to keep yourself anonymous.

[Agent 488]

kind of a catch-22. if nysus posts any details pr0 says he broke the nda and keeps the moiney. if nysus doesn't post proof nysus gets banned and ... pr0 keeps the money.

[candyflip]

kind of a catch-22. if nysus posts any details pr0 says he broke the nda and keeps the moiney. if nysus doesn't post proof nysus gets banned and ... pr0 keeps the money.

Regardless, pr0 comes across as one shady fucker.

[Agent 488]

I just think that it's bullshit that someone got called out and then had someone else banned because his given name is posted. Your given name is NOT private information ever...no matter how much you want to keep yourself anonymous.

you are wrong man. though plenty of times in the past the name would just be removed, can't remember someone banned over it though.

[candyflip]

you are wrong man. though plenty of times in the past the name would just be removed, can't remember someone banned over it though.

I'm sure that's the case. I'm just saying that it's fucked up that a person's name is considered "private information" with regards to the rules. How can a person's given, legal name...that's on his driver's license, SS card, etc...be considered private? The logic there is just totally fucked and as always...inconsistant, to say the least.

[TheDoc]

I'm sure that's the case. I'm just saying that it's fucked up that a person's name is considered "private information" with regards to the rules. How can a person's given, legal name...that's on his driver's license, SS card, etc...be considered private? The logic there is just totally fucked and as always...inconsistant, to say the least.

Most of the time peoples names come out, in non-attacking threads.. An Admin make the adjustment, nobody cares... just like articles on our industry news sites, mistakes happen.


The name many of us call each other at shows, MANY people really, including myself... is not what our real legal names are. Some far more extreme than others. This is for sure semi-private information, private still being the keyword.

As well... some people have published rights on the full legal name being used in reference to the themselves, even more so if done in a negative way and without permission. This is why Celebs have the power they do with a shared name, it's very easy to do...

Point being... peoples names are much more private than you think.

[candyflip]

He wasn't attacking anyone. He stated who owed him money and where they stood.

A celebrity MIGHT have that sort of protection, but not any old "Bill" on a message board.

[TheDoc]

He wasn't attacking anyone. He stated who owed him money and where they stood.

A celebrity MIGHT have that sort of protection, but not any old "Bill" on a message board.

That's an attack, without proof being posted to go with it or followed up with it.

If by protection you mean how our legal system currently works in the U.S. and Canada and many Countries... then yes, anyone can use this - just most people don't need it. It's a registered name you publish for a set amount of time, and a couple other minor fees to pay.

Bit easier in some countries than others.. but either way, it's about as complicated as, getting out of your chair.

[willwank]

A real lawyer would advice you to keep your mouth shut

[GonZo]

show me one example when someone posted he will sue and actually did afterwards....one will be enough.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece.php?id=107439

[lazycash]

http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece.php?id=107439

Interesting, wonder how that case turned out. They also appeared to want to take action against Minusonebit for his antics on here against them.

[GonZo]

Interesting, wonder how that case turned out. They also appeared to want to take action against Minusonebit for his antics on here against them.

I was told there was another session in the next couple of weeks concerning this case.

From where I sit - I would sue Shellee Hale before Id sue him.
Why bother going after someone that cant afford to pay damages?

I remember doing an interview with Wired magazine on the AEE convention floor during all of the OneBit antics. The guy sure did know how to get the outsiders involved - Ill give him that!

[Oracle Porn]

ok tmm is a big company they aren't part of the "anonymous" crew...i am considering their case is an exception

[BlueDude]

For those people who came into defense of Pr0 think twice next time when you do business with him. Reading from this and the other donation thread tell you he's as broke as fuck and you could be his next victim.

[candyflip]

For those people who came into defense of Pr0 think twice next time when you do business with him. Reading from this and the other donation thread tell you he's as broke as fuck and you could be his next victim.

To be fair, that thread is a few years old. People have turned it around completely a few times in that amount of time. It's possible.

But...

[datatank]

That's an attack, without proof being posted to go with it or followed up with it.

If by protection you mean how our legal system currently works in the U.S. and Canada and many Countries... then yes, anyone can use this - just most people don't need it. It's a registered name you publish for a set amount of time, and a couple other minor fees to pay.

Bit easier in some countries than others.. but either way, it's about as complicated as, getting out of your chair.

TheDoc for president

The greatest debater of all things that ever lived

[xxweekxx]

wow this is possibly the quickest ban ive seen for someone posting another persons name.. people call out other people here by name all day long.. like pay me john, pay me mike, and nobody bans them..lol

[TheDoc]

TheDoc for president

The greatest debater of all things that ever lived

Damn, I didn't know we were debating... I would have brought my club if I knew.

[GonZo]

ok tmm is a big company they aren't part of the "anonymous" crew...i am considering their case is an exception

You said one would suffice and now you want to change the rules. You sure your not the dude with guyliner that plays Richard on Lost?

[madawgz]

nevermind.........

[Robocrop]

Just keep this thread bumped to 1st of Feb for answers :D

[BradM]

TheDoc can debate with the best of em. Guy is elite.

[Roald]

TheDoc can debate with the best of em. Guy is elite.

Don't you have your own drama thread to post in!!!!

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948255

[BradM]

Don't you have your own drama thread to post in!!!!

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948255

No, I do not Roald (whoever you are)

[lazycash]

I was told there was another session in the next couple of weeks concerning this case.

From where I sit - I would sue Shellee Hale before Id sue him.
Why bother going after someone that cant afford to pay damages?

I remember doing an interview with Wired magazine on the AEE convention floor during all of the OneBit antics. The guy sure did know how to get the outsiders involved - Ill give him that!

I'm sure you saw it all go down since you were involved with Oprano back then. You're probably right about them not pursuing Minusonebit (Keith Kimmel) if it was indeed because he had nothing to pay them. Although he would have been an easy target since he clearly had an agenda to defame them, whereas Shellee may get amnesty behind state shield laws claiming she was merely a reporter.

[Agent 488]

i know canada just recently gave bloggers the same shied protections as reporters recently. dunno if anything similar has happened in the US.

[GonZo]

I'm sure you saw it all go down since you were involved with Oprano back then. You're probably right about them not pursuing Minusonebit (Keith Kimmel) if it was indeed because he had nothing to pay them. Although he would have been an easy target since he clearly had an agenda to defame them, whereas Shellee may get amnesty behind state shield laws claiming she was merely a reporter.

Yeah Ive been involved for a long time and Im surprised I havent been drawn into the lawsuit since I own the damn thing.

Its been odd to have lawyers and the media talking about it but no one has directly asked me about any of it.

I think Shellee has a real good shield case but Im no lawyer. Shes my friend and Im a client of TMM so theres no dog in that fight.

The legal ramifications that could come out of that case would have a far more sweeping impact than the pussified sobbing of post proof or be banned that some have hidden behind for so long.

It wouldnt be up to the whim of the board owner or employee but instead that of the courts. Ill be keeping up with it even though Xbiz doesnt seem to want to as I have little interest in it.

[V_RocKs]

Owned seems to get about 1000 hits a day... + or - 250... Why would he want to "get in on it"?

[Deej]

I like to grind fresh beans for my morning drama java...

[TheDoc]

Yeah Ive been involved for a long time and Im surprised I havent been drawn into the lawsuit since I own the damn thing.

Its been odd to have lawyers and the media talking about it but no one has directly asked me about any of it.

I think Shellee has a real good shield case but Im no lawyer. Shes my friend and Im a client of TMM so theres no dog in that fight.

The legal ramifications that could come out of that case would have a far more sweeping impact than the pussified sobbing of post proof or be banned that some have hidden behind for so long.

It wouldnt be up to the whim of the board owner or employee but instead that of the courts. Ill be keeping up with it even though Xbiz doesnt seem to want to as I have little interest in it.

If I remember correctly, a ruling for this has came out.. she isn't/wasn't protected, because she isn't a reporter or whatever.

Past that... I don't know the outcome.

[Storm_Tracker]

Mental problems? Nothing a little Xanax can't fix

[Agent 488]

still going on http://protectingthesource.blogspot....-decision.html

[iMind]

Owned seems to get about 1000 hits a day... + or - 250... Why would he want to "get in on it"?

Nysus has owned Owned.com for years, has never done anything with it, and never will..

He's always thought it was gonna make him a millionaire, but doesn't seem to notice he doesn't have what it takes to make it.

Pro has always seemed solid, but this thread makes me wonder....Something's seriously shady here..

To be honest, I have no idea how pr0 can deny knowing that Nysus was mentally unstable, this has been common knowledge for years.... I'm surprised he hasn't killed himself yet actually.... he used to always talk about it

[dynastoned]

i've done thousands of dollars worth of business on several different projects with pr0 for years now without problem. hes an honest guy and a straight shooter.

that being said i find it hard to believe he'd rip dude off for a couple g's.

[GonZo]

If I remember correctly, a ruling for this has came out.. she isn't/wasn't protected, because she isn't a reporter or whatever.

Past that... I don't know the outcome.

You are incorrect.
She is in the middle of a new appeal process to be heard either this week or next... in NJ. Xbiz didnt cover the part and makes me wonder why so I can see the confusion.


Holidays and such have my mind scrambled.

Nice blog you have there BTW.

[GonZo]

Owned seems to get about 1000 hits a day... + or - 250... Why would he want to "get in on it"?

Was a great name for a radio show a few years ago where we started with calling out a scamming new processor and even had my friend Kevin Mitnick on for some good old internet drama.

Dont know the value of the name though but there are still several people that pay insane amounts of money for a vanity domain instead of established traffic.

[Agent 488]

owned is a huge internet meme. could be killer with the right manager / owner.

[GonZo]

If I remember correctly, a ruling for this has came out.. she isn't/wasn't protected, because she isn't a reporter or whatever.

Past that... I don't know the outcome.

I checked for you and got news that her appeal is being heard at Rutgers Law School, once a year they choose a high profile case and they chose hers.

it will be televised and on the radio.

Xbiz was all over this when it started - makes you wonder why they dropped it.

[TheDoc]

I checked for you and got news that her appeal is being heard at Rutgers Law School, once a year they choose a high profile case and they chose hers.

it will be televised and on the radio.

Xbiz was all over this when it started - makes you wonder why they dropped it.

Her Appeal? So a ruling was made?

[GonZo]

Her Appeal? So a ruling was made?

200 ZOO PROS
Beats me thats all the information I have right now.
Ill see if I can find more but this never was dead and Ill try and find out the TV and radio information as well.

As you might guess Ill be giving it better coverage and attention elsewhere though.

[tehHinjew]

hey hit me up on icq please, thanks

nevermind.........

[Les Grossman]

My lawyer will be contacting you mid next week.