LOL, this has fail written all over it, even Netflix who built their business on delivering DVDs through the mail has said it will stop in the near future because its outdated. Now granted that's mainstream, but why should I wait 3days for a dvd when I have instant download on my computer?

its also easer to upload from your site.

the quality remains the same too.

but to upload from a blu ray means converting it to a different format.

also they need to have a blu-ray on the pc, which i suspect most people only have a dvd on it.

and at the start of the film you can put the same copyright message that big films do.

of course its possible to edit it all out. but this means fewer people who would bother or risk it.

plus it would be easer for sites to share info about people who upload. as soon as a pirated film is found and the details of the owner are taken, all sites need to do is email all other sites to warn them. making it almost impossible for these people to sign up.

Plus if want to watch HD porn on my TV it's right on my on-demand menu, we run 9 channels of quality HD porn, no disc or wait required... :winkwink:

So you don't think that the details can be removed from the film like they do with watermarks and encryption now?

You won't be able to track what film came from what subscriber using that method. So who do you block from buying more films.

These guys work in a network, it's a lot bigger than just one guy uploading all of your content.

Once it is uploaded once, it is there for everyone to download and upload to other services again and again and again.

As far as quality goes, the blue ray can be uploaded and downloaded again without any noticable degradation in quality. I can download full, HD and blue ray quality stuff now.

we are not talking about the customewr selecting a film.

the difference is they subscribe and they get that months dvd. they can of course back order if they are current members.

ie, if a customer join, and say pays $20 a month.

He loves the films but wants all.

your back order could be 50 or more discs. over time he buys the lot. but he stays a member for years.

he is happy as he has a real product for his money.

you make huge profit.

your affiliates make huge profit.

to be honest i am seeing this from 3 sides, website owner, affiliate and custermer.

its like getting playboy mag each month. your not sure whats going to be in that month, but you look forward to it. and you collect them.

big budget firms can add all sorts of extras such as games, interviews, even non porn stuff such as a look at cars. you can realy pad it out.

All converting can be done on the fly if required.

Copyright message means fuck all to the serious uploaders.

1. not everyone can access it.

2. the films wioll provide more nich product. its somthing you keep. can play when you want. where you want.

3. its a real product. its like having a record over an mp3 file. i am more than happy to buy a record, but i see no value in buing a mp3 file. a record is somthing i keep, look after. an mp3 is nothing.

correct.

but remeber they only have 1 film. worst case is they upload your film.

if they join your site they upload your whole site.

so while its sucks having a film uploaded, its only a film, and not all your site.

i suspect its for less likly they would bother.

its much easer for these people to join your site, blag there address, may even use a stolen card, access your site and dump it all on tubes.

but if they are getting your blu-rays it means a real address. thats the last thing a criminal would want to give out.

in other words a much higher risk for next to no reward.

How's that working out for them? I understand your point but I think your talking about a very small niche market of people that want to collect a bunch of porn, most people just want to watch, get off, and move on...

You are talking about one guy having one film and uploading it.

A business like this isn't based on 1 guy or even a handful of customers.

Each film can be uploaded, easily. It doesn't have to be the same guy.

by the way, stop thinking of ble-rays as a better version of dvd. its much more than that.

dvd was a higher quality version of vhs. it did much what vhs did but a bit better.

blu-ray is a huge jump.

its ideal for porn. more so than dvd.

at the moment the real film industry has problems with it. in the sense that they make films to be projected to a big screen. this means no options.

but for us, we want to make it for tv's.

this is exsiting.

unlike a film on vhs, dvd, or in truth on your pc, you can do much more with blue-ray.

for a start its much easer to have different angel options. or vid in vid option (where you watch the film but can click to see in the corner another angel).

it means that if somone doesa upload to a tube site. they will loose all these options.

plkus many blu-ray boxes are conected to wi-fi, so you can add interactive systems to it.

so you could as you watch the film, press a button and conects to say the web. mabe webcam or somthing.

one option may be to have softwear built into the disc that will only let you play the film if your a member of the site. to me that would suck. but it may be an option. as in you could send the disks out to peoiple free, they can watch for five mins but then it askes you to join to see the rest. a bit like aol sending out millions of disks free. thney made a fortune doing that.

a nich market can easily be worth millions.

:2 cents:

The sponsor better know the law of every town it ships porn to or they are in
trouble.

Forget about just uploading it to tubes. All interactivity, different angles etc will still be available as a direct download.

Remember, these were about before the tubes and have a huge following with repeat surfers.

also playboy mags did not die, they were just replaced.

ie, they were in between being porn and lads mags.

many porn mags came out, taking there porn market.

then (in the uk) lots and lots of lads mags came out, and i belive many still do great sales. but they also have topless (and nude i think) girls in them. but they are also full of content.

playboy just sat and did not adapt.

almost like 'woolworths' in the uk. they had a place years agfo, but other shops came along and did the bits they did much better. such as toy'r'us did toys, lots of shops did houshold goods. in the end they did not change and simply lost ground.

if playboy mag had gone more lads mag, and filed it up with lots of daft stories, it would be doing well. plus to be honest as they were classed as porn, in the uk is was not easy to find as not many shops stocked it. lads mags are in every supermarket.

but even shops that sold hard core mags did not always sell playboy as they viewed it too soft and wanted to only sell hard core mags.

but i can go in most supermarkets in the uk that sells mags and often i see people picking up lads mags.

its just playboy grew too big and lost touch with people.

and to be honest i think the only reason it got popular was at the time there were little or no porn mags and they sold as a sort of 'not a dirty' porn mag.

then again no reason they could not get a firm outside the usa or uk to deal with shipment.

ie, you make the content, and they deal with customers and burning the disks.

a bit like most people do not deal with payment, they leave such as ccbill to do it.

I can't even get a paste and copy right. What a dumb fuck I am.

http://www.gfy.com/17996050-post33.html

"Hey honey, your tranny sluts DVD came in the mail today!"

Or even better, "God damnit Jordan! You're only 13! Quit using my credit card, and having these DVDs of bondage sex sent to our home!"

Yep, definitely a good idea.

So the customer will wait a week to get his DVD. Dream on.

You will then be in the realms of competing with a few other companies based in Holland already doing it. Don't you think if I thought it would work I would of done it from here in CZ?

But it will ultimately rely on the quality of the porn your selling. Getting someone to buy once and only once is a fail.

you have to understand the power a blu-ray gives.

think this way, a blu-ray is like a BMW. its powerfull. Done right it can blow you away.

A website can do a lot, but its like a Lada.

In other words put a ble-ray onto your tv and sit back with perfect quality. then throw in all the options for the person. a click of a button he can switch angels, mabe opt for 3d, or listen to it in french, german and so on. mabe zoom in.

now with a pc, he is having to mess about looking at tiny vids. even if it fills his monitor its not as big as his plasma. switching options may take time, site may crash or run slow.

sure he can plug his pc into his tv, but most peoplew will not bother.

he then has that film to keep. he collects them.

but on the website, sure he sees the odd update each week, but thinks, i have seen it now. time to cancell. mabe re-join for a month in a years time to get the new updates.

heck a lot of people join with the free join or $3 trial option, just to download then leave.

the truth is at the end of the day, tubes and forums are full of content. sales are way down. people do not see membership to a site as a worthwile investment.

i am simply sugesting giving them somthing that they see as a worthwile investment.

I surer would prefer to have somthing solid for $20 per month than just access to a site for $20 that just has a few new clips each month.

it may not work as an option for all sites, but for some i could see it doing huge.

putr it this way, i joined actiongirls site on tial. i downloaded the films in one day so i cancelled. i watched them afterwords. they were ok, but i just thought as i watched them, these surew would be great on a big tv. on a small screen, they sort of were not as good as they could have been.

and there are a lot of sites that i have seen there films and i do often think, these films loose so much by being small crappy clips. it almost makes them worthless. and thats simply becase on a pc they loose the quality.

i have seen stuff that some sites make that are amazing, if they were on big tv's.

even my own stuiff looks a millions times better put direct onto a tv.

in truth some sites should be realy proud of the content they make. its oustanding. its such a shame its put into a small file.

people subscribe to porn mags now and have done for years.

and people still order dvd porn via the post.

so your argument does not stands water.

plus surly the 13 year old oirdering films would probably find it easer to join a paysite?

And there is the main reason this idea wouldn't work (Plus the fact that people love the anonymity of the internet and don't want their wives and kids finding discs full of porn)

This thread reminds me of a great saying... "Don't argue with idiots" :D

I know the power of blu-ray. I have 3 blu-ray players in the house that I use fairly frequently.

What I am saying is, send a blu-ray to me via post, I can upload it easily and make it available again for anyone that wants to download and watch/burn it, on any size screen, with all of the interactivity that was there at the beginning, minus any encrypted, names and addresses etc.

That is the exact same for many of the habitual uploaders I would say.

What pricing do you suggest for each blu ray? How much content are you planning on putting on it each month.

with all due respect paul, by you saying that shows you do not understand porn at all.

for years people have subscribed to porn mags they get each month.

one of the things with porn films is people collect them. many firms such as ben dover have found if a customer likes your film, they go out and buy all of them and will be happy to weight to get the latest one.

people love to collect films.

its not about instant want. for that they go to tuibe sites.

this is about a customer wanting your product and making your product worth somthing.

1 customer of this method could easily be worth say 20 customers who join a pay site. why? well chances are those 20 will stay a month then leave.

that 1 customer may become a customer for years, not to mention ordering the back orders.

its about standing up and saying my prduct is good, its great, its worth somthing.

To be honest over the years most sites seem to have been bullied by affiliates to just give the content away, sell it for $1 trials. Basicly de-value the site.

In the uk a certain french beer was not doing well. The solution, make it expensive and add value to it. It now sells much more.

Its about making your brand value.

To be honest with my sdurfer hat on, i look at the web and think sod it, all your content in free all over. i look on a tube for a bit then i am happy. i do not look and think wow thats great i must join the site. i do not even think about it. why?

well tube sites not only give your films away free. they do it in a way it looks rubbish. the tube sites are full of adds, pop up, looks yuck.

Think this way. If you sell a brand of purfume, do you want some twit on a market stall giving ouyt free samples, and your garage selling it. No. you want the top shops to sell it. you also do not want them to sell it cheap. in fact you may want them to sell it more than you competitor. and you realy do not want them selling 2 for one or half price offer. you want it to be of value.

and so too with your content.

any burk can promote your site on any old free host. suure you may think great they can get loads of hits. but if the surfer sees it looking rubish, it makes your brand look rubbish.

for too long websites have been like bmw's but noit selling like bmw's, but instead like scrap car firms.

most people have porn in there house.

my dad used to tell everyone he was anti porn when he went to church, though i found a huge box of porn vhs's tapes. i used to rent them out when i was at school.

but as i say most people hgave porn dvd's these days.

You clearly don't :helpme

of couse its possible.

but as i say its only one disk they can upload.

i suspect most pirates join a site for a month and cancell and grab all your content. plus i suspect they use a false address if not a stolen credit card.

if they have to use a real address i am sure this lowers the risk.

as i say if they have the option of joining a pay site to grab all the content or buy a disc. which do you think they are most likly to do to pirate content.

Why is that any different from a good, quality paysite? Why would he remain a customer getting a blu-ray each month and not a paysite with updates each month?

It's not only one disk though. It's all of your disks that can be uploaded. If it is something worth having, it is worth uploading.

You have no way from the uploaded content itself of knowing who uploaded it.

These uploaders are not solo operatives, they work together a lot of the time and share the burden of uploads.

the way i would see it, is about the same price as normall mebership for a site. while there is a few $ cost per disk i would imagine this would only be a around the same cost per disc as say per cost of what a website member would cost (such as badwidth/server/security/and so on).

I would see it as a singel film in hd per month.

So lets say you have a solo girl site. Lets call her Lady Sue.

So they would do a high quality film of her. They may shoot from different angels. They may include a film about the shoot. Mavbe an interview with Lady Sue. She may say what she has been up to that month.

It could incude a few pics.

Mabe a quiz.

In fact you could see some sites doing far less shoots per month. If you do say 5 shoots a moth, you could reduce this to 1.

Of couse you could do more than one film on a disc.

Aso you could do non porn stuff such as do a review film of a new car or gadget. You could get Lady Sue to do it.

Of course big sites may juyst stick to porn.

Its a new dimenshion.

In truth I think it would lower costs but make more cash.

Exactly. And if you want to stop members downloading all the content of a site and sharing it, then only give them access to that month's updates. But then no-one would join them, although in DVT's case that's a moot point.

they can be, but that means the meber buying all the disks. now if you add the customers details into the film, a simple option would be to add it into a few frames that unless you go frame by frame you would not spot so it would make editing out impossible. but you would but a warning on the disc to imporm the customer of this.

this way if you do find your film online it makes it easer to stop. with luck he will have only ordered 1 or two films.

again unlike going on your site and downloading all your content.

at least even if he does order all your content you have made more cash that say if he joined per month.

plus as i say your firms would be reduced in quality for tubes plus all the sexy extras such as different angels removed. unlike downloading from your site where its simply trasnfered.

becase if he joines a paysite he has got everything for a sigle months membership. and often people know this and cancell. they somtimes return once a year.

but with a disk they only get a film. but its a solid product. they see it as value. they see somthing they can hold for $20 far more than somthing online for $20.

Think of the music industry.

when music was on records, and (not as much) cd's people felt it was worth somthing. they would buy all there artists music.

On mp's people see no value. and often feel no reason to buy it.

Plus newspapers now give away free cd's of music.

music has lost its value now.

Its about creating value in your product.

i belive you run a strip club. in truth people could watch online. but they want to go and pay in front of the girl as its real. its a product they see value in. they could watch online but its not the same.

do you see what i am saying?

How would you add details for each of the members to each DVD that you send out each month, and track it?

Instead of coming up with all of these gimmicks, why not focus on making some good porn? Not directed at the OP, just porn producers in general. Good product sells itself.

becase its not a solid product.

but that said many sites sell per film not whole content.

a lot of sites do well doing this.

we have clips 4 sale and such.

and in the uk strictly broadband, that sells per film, and i am not sure you can even save it to watch in a years time. but i may be wrong on that.

Where are you getting all this shit from? You don't think that music downloads are bigger than any previous medium for music ever was by comparison?

If you had actual figures instead of just what you believe, then your argument might stand more ground with me.

i am sure somone could create a bit of softwear that would simply add a few frames or digitlaly enter the address into each film from a database as the films are burnt to blu-ray.