They just showed a ten minute clip of Tebow with a mic on as he played the Bears last week on ESPN SportsCenter.

Really insightful and left the ESPN commentators in awe as they watched it.

You stupid fuck i said it was the defence. The QBs job is to maintain ball control and not give up turnovers.

NO NOT ALL TEAMS WIN WITH A GREAT QUARTERBACK. That is the dumbest statement i have ever heard.

Every 2-3 years there is an average quarterback in the super bowl.

XLI
Rex Grossman,

XL
Hassleback

XXXVIII
Delhomme

XXXVII
Brad Johnson
Rich Gannon

XXXV
Trent Dilfer
Kerry Collins

XXXIV
Kurt Warner (unproven arena football quarterback)

You see stupid it is about how quarterbacks fit into the system not about the QBs. i can 100% tell you do not watch alot of football with this statement

"Wrong, it is about the qb."

Look stupid football is a team game.

Yes he is a "glorified running back". and that is why they are winning. are you to stupid to see this? the option provides frustration for defences.

It's ok i am used to Americans being ignorant stupid fucks. That is why I slang my over priced products to them and laugh at how fat and full of themselves they are. You're clueless about football.

Stop trying to make sense. This is GFY and everyone is football experts.

Thank you for actually understanding the game. The retards in this thread sound like they started to watch it because their wives finally let them out on sundays.

Check his stats you dimwitted turd, Delhomme was on top of his game 2003 - 2006 before getting injured. Hardly an average QB at the time numbnuts.

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Carolina is my favourite team in the NFC by far. I have flown out just to watch their games. This is not a Carolina or Delhomme cuss. The fact is he was a relatively OK quarterback who got better because of the pieces around him. Not because he was an amazing quarterback.

The argument is about having a great quarterback matters. Which is not true. Having a quarterback who is great at his role is the only thing that matters.

If a quarterback plays his role then imo they are great. That is what Tebow is.

Nice try at knit picking off the thread topic though. You mad because you're broke?

You said he was an average QB, and at the time he was anything but average, so I am just pointing out what a dimwitted turd you are:)

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considering the broncos record before tebow...to state he is just a cog in a wheel is ludicrous. What makes him different is the intangibles. His confidence. the way he lifts the players around him. its very unique, exciting, & anyone who discounts this is the moron.

XLI
Rex Grossman, (loss)

XL
Hassleback (loss)

XXXVIII
Delhomme (loss)

XXXVII
Brad Johnson
Rich Gannon (loss)

XXXV
Trent Dilfer
Kerry Collins (loss)

XXXIV
Kurt Warner (I'm not really sure why he's here. He was unproven at the time, but still a good QB)

To be fair, I do agree with your statement that it's not all about the QB, but having a good one certainly helps to actually win once you're in the Super Bowl. 80% of the league can get hot and beat any other team to get into the SB, but actually winning it usually requires more than a shitbum QB... unless you have a super crazy defense, or you're facing another shitty team that streaked it's way in.

Denver is down big right now. Looks like they will have to pass to get back in this game.

Denver cannot match the firepower of Brady and The Patriots and Tebow can't run enough to keep pace, even with divine intervention;)

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What?? Of course quarterbacks matter. Why the fuck are you even arguing about it for? You have an inferiority complex or what?

LOLZ! I called it.

Aw crap.

You have a couple of misfires on your list.

Rich Gannon an average QB? This guy was a 2 X Pro Bowl MVP. 3 X AFC Player of the year. In 2002 the year he was in the Super Bowl he won the league MVP, was selected to the pro bowl, won the NFL Alumni QB of the year award, was the AFC player of the year and was the Pro Bowl MVP. I would say he was a little more than an average QB. Yes, he stunk it up in the Super Bowl that year, but his career was well above average.

Kurt Warner was an unproven QB when he started the season, but by the end of that season he was a Pro Bowl Selection, the league MVP and he would go on to be the Super Bowl MVP that year. I would say by the time they got to the Super Bowl he was much more than an average QB.

I am rooting for the dude, too

Anyway, Denver lost to the Pats today...

http://bigpichost.com/files/_4np_qb_e0ul6hr2.jpg

:thumbsup

Gannon threw for 4,689 yards that year. Tebow could never do that.

Tebow can't even throw a fucking spiral. lol, those lucky runs of his will only work for so long.

I'd hit it!

Aww come on, Tebow had a good throw today lol.

(Yes it's sad when you can count a QB's 'good' throws with 1 finger)

Seriously though, Tebow is just a random story those in the media are trying to make happen.

"The guy has so much heart" .. right, first set of broken ribs and you'll finally hear people talk about how stupid some of his runs are.

"He keeps them in games and set himself up for the 4th!" .. Actually, most of his wins are because his defense kept him in the game and even had to score for him otherwise the 4th qtr would be irrelevant.

"It doesn't matter how many yards he throws, it matters if he wins" .. I seem to recall hearing something similar in 2009 with a guy named Orton, who went 6-0 with the Broncos before coming back to reality. Where is Orton now?

It's good Broncos fans have something to cling to this season, but the reality is nobody in the media would give a shit about Tebow if he wasn't some super jesus-freak underdog who everyone has an opinion on. I bet half these casual football fans couldn't name 5 QB's after Brady, Rodgers, Brees and the Manning sisters, even from the winning teams.

I guess God loves Tom Brady more. :1orglaugh

i agree....

Loving Tim Tebow! What a hottie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No I do not. What is your excuse for being a total fuckwit?

He's proven now that he is an over glorified fullback that holds the ball like a handbag.

Obviously God had more important matters to take care of today :winkwink:

Next week he faces The Chiefs and the QB that was fired to make room for Tebow.

Winner also wins the division.

Couldn't make up anything more dramatic than that to define Tebow and the Bronco's season :)

This thread should stand as evidence that I don't think much of Tebow, but you can't judge ANY QB based on one bad game.

You either didn't watch their games, or weren't paying attention.

Their wins are because of multiple turnovers, sometimes in their own red zone and at critical times. Their defense coming up with huge plays. Their kicker nailing a fucking 59 yard field goal or teams like the Bears self destructing and handing them the game.

Not to mention, every team they've played has had countless injuries. The only healthy teams they've played are the Lions, Patriots and Bills.

I see some potential in the kid, but the Tim Tebow fan boys are complete morons. They're totally irrational just like some religious nut job on the side of the road talking about the end of days.

He's had time to work on his dynamics, he was around before this season. Denver just needs to make him a hybrid halfback. Given his size and strength he's a legitimate runner and he can serve as a second QB who will be on the football field with the rest of the offense.

That's a threat they need to develop, a great QB AND Tim Tebow still in the offense.

Tim Tebow is a mediocre QB, and that's putting it nicely.

He has speed and he's tough. He can make some plays once he starts moving around. Any QB that can buy time to let plays develop is a threat on some level, defenses can get exhausted trying to keep up.

Here is what I don't like about him. I have yet to see him nail ONE pass into a tight window under pressure. Even rookies who are rough around the edges can do it, maybe just not consistently. Yes, he avoids interceptions by not making those types of plays, but you can't consistently win against good teams without that ability IMO. It's one of the abilities all the elite QBs in this league do to separate themselves from just average.

Today was proof of that, the Bills contained him in the pocked and had good coverage on all his receivers. He was forced to eventually throw the ball into coverage, and it led to the ugly side of his abilities throwing a football come out.

The throws we do see him make are usually in completely busted coverage when a safety isn't playing over the top or screens and slants with catch & runs. Obviously, those are important everyday throws a QB in this league should make, but let's be honest, even the most mediocre QBs do it week in and week out.

His throwing dynamics are a joke, it's even more apparent when he's under pressure. At times he'll throw the ball under pressure and miss his receiver by a mile or throw it right into the hands of a defender.

The Broncos as a team had a great streak though. If I was a Broncos fan I'd cherish that, then look forward to what Tebow can do for that offense not as a starting QB. :thumbsup

Two wins away from getting into the Super Bowl :)

I'm going to keep this thread going just so we can see who has an eye for potential
and who's expectations have been exceeded.

Yesterday we saw Tebow's potential. He threw some awesome passes and when he learns to throw a spiral he'll get another ten yards out of them :winkwink:

Ran for one TD and a couple key first downs.

He's an unconventional, hybrid QB. It would be stupid to try and make him conventional.
Play on his strengths instead of creating a weakness even if it means building the team around him.

Phil Sims got it right when he said the Coach needs to let him go, find his rhythm and do what comes naturally to him. Yesterday he played like he was still in college and the result was a win. I had hoped the coaches would have implemented yesterday's play calling in the New England game.

This win is pivotal as to the coaches approach and exactly what they needed to make a run for the Super Bowl.

Saw my first complete Tebow game yesterday. He played a hell of a game.

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Are you really comparing Tebow to Eli Manning? I'd say Eli had a pretty good year,
http://new.tinygrab.com/db533f032f18...aa78a8a0f6.jpg

Top 5 in yards last year as well. Thats some pretty good company i'd say.

He's stepped up when he's needed to - have to admit that. Otherwise he can't throw for shit it seems but he made some nice ones yesterday that wound up being just enough.

Pats will destroy the shit out of them though so it's all moot.

For some reason whenever he talks he sets off the gaydar though.

So far his passing stats in the NFL stinks but it doesn't mean he can't pass.

On many plays the receivers were not open so he threw it away. That goes on his stats as an incompletion but its not because he's a bad passer. Its also my guess that the coach had drilled it into his head not to force the ball or take chances which results in incompletions that make his stats look bad.

Yesterday he threw as good as anyone.

In College he threw better than everyone.

Its not that he can't throw, its the receivers need to get open AND catch the ball ( several catchable balls were dropped in previous games which help make his stats bad ) and the coach needs to call more passing plays.

" He's the highest rated passer in the history of SEC football. He was easily a better passer than Peyton Manning or Stafford or Couch or any of the guys whose ability to pass was never really questioned by NFL talent analysts.
And yet NFL evaluators, for some reason, aren't sold on Tebow. Couch and Russell are two bona fide NFL busts, even though pro football talent evaluators couldn't usher them into the league fast enough. Yet these same talent evaluators harbor grave doubts about the ability of the greatest and most efficient passer in SEC history to pass the ball at the next level. "


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1izolIMmU

Yep, he took a team that was one and four before he took over into the playoffs and win in the playoffs too.

If you think the wins have been due to the defense or the kicker, why did they win only one of five games without Tebow, then suddenly go eight and four with Tebow leading the same team?

I watched the entire game. Pittsburgh had some very key players hurt. Tebow played alright but I was not too impressed. Quarterbacks just dont go 10 of 21 and win many games. If Denver beats the Pats I will eat my words but Im pretty confident I wont have to.

Wtf

Tebow had 316 passing yards yesterday - John 3:16 - and also averaged 31.6 yards per pass.

Who was the dude who used to wear the clown wig at every sporting event with the john 3:16 sign. Didnt see him at yesterdays game.

Come on man :upsidedow

Tebow passed for 316 yards against the #1 rated pass defense all year and without any interceptions.

He rushed for 50 yards which included a TD run for about 12 yards and he rushed for a couple key first downs.

He withstood the pressure of a big time NFL playoff game and threw a laser pass to win in overtime.

If you think he played alright and you're not impressed, congratulations, you are now qualified to work as a scout for the Jacksonville Jaguars :winkwink:

That's exactly what it means. More importantly he lacks the intelligence to read defenses.


This is what gets me about you Tebow maniacs, for weeks you've been blaming everyone from the coaching staff to the receivers to the defense to the refs. Everyone but your little savior Tebow. If the coach drilled into his head not to take chances its because they know he can't throw.

On many plays the receiver wasnt open that he was focused on and he either throws it away, takes a sack or tries to run. Many many times other receivers are wide open yet Tebow lacks the ability to scan the field and goes into panic mode. He cannot throw a receiver open nor have I seen him try.


Yesterday he definitely improved but Pittsburgh basically dared him to throw by using a run prevent defense which left receivers in single coverage in the secondary. Pittsburgh adjusted and Tebow did nothing after the 2nd quarter with the exception of the pass in OT.

So now Tebow is the best passer in college history?


There you go, its everyone elses fault his stats are worst in the NFL. Was his 6 interceptions and 7 fumbles their fault too? Any idiot can throw a ball to an open receiver, especially with the time the O line has been giving him. And don't forget until yesterday and with the exception of New England the defense held every team to under 20 points.

I would probably like Tebow better if it werent for the Tebow idiots that do not live in reality and think somehow God will like them more if they love Tebow.

I am a huge NFL fan and a Die hard Philly Eagles fan. I hate the way Tebow got plugged in to start for the Broncos (the Christian funded billboards etc.)

I truly wanted to see him fail. But there is one thing that Trumps everything in sports and it is called The Scoreboard. The dude wins, period.

I don't think he will win against the Pats in NE, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did and he did it in some way that still allowed for doubt. Everybody, including him, knows he isn't Aaron Rodgers, but seriously he goes out on Sunday and there is no doubt he leaves it all on the field and most of the times, somehow....The Scoreboard sees it. :2 cents:

If you can't appreciate Tebow I would say it's hard to consider yourself a true fan of the "Game".

A few posts above I posted a link to some info that backs up my statement.

Here is the link again

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1izolIMmU

Read it. Comprehend it. Now try and dispute it.

You can't and the rest of your points are just as twisted.

I'm not a Tebow maniac.

I will say that nothing he does deserves hatred. Nothing wrong rooting against him as a football fan but hating on him is comical to me and really says more about the hater than what they try to bring on Tebow. I'm just pointing out all the holes in the hatred. Hating Tebow because you don't like some of his fans is one fine example. :winkwink:

This argument has largely been broken down by ESPN buzz words. Basically, all the Tebow haters took ESPN buzz words and decided they were scouts. So, to answer your question...

"He has a poor throwing motion."

"He can't complete passes on curl routes."

"His stats just don't win in the NFL."

"His passing release isn't fast enough."

And my favorite...

"He will never win the Superbowl."