sure but just like the DMCA

want to name one single case where someone filing a false takedown has ever been convicted of that

if the penalty is never enforced it the same as if it does not exist.

btw what is 3 times the damage of completely wiping out a company from the interent

how do you calculate what the life time potential income of a site is.

Agreed. Once you let the freeloaders in and keep letting them in they will never go away.

I worked in porn through the days of censorship and made a lot of money. Hugh Hefner made a fortune at a time when showing pubic hair was taboo or nearly.

During that time a censored newspaper brought down the most powerful man in the world, Nixon ring a bell, the UK Government and recently that censored media has exposed even more wrong doings by the people in charge.

Please and with respect, go take your fear mongering to frighten little children with, it has no effect on grown ups.

So suggest an alternative. One that hasn't been tried and has a hope of working. Because the present system is a shambles and costing me money. To keep out scum.

So far all the anti people don't have a single alternative to offer other than leave it as it is. :Oh crap

Because a law isn't enforced, means it needs to be changed. changing the penalty of an unforced law is a pointless argument. Come on give me something to make me think harder.

OK then. I wish you a Merry Xmas as well.

Anyone else want to come up with a debate?

No Paul, I am not interested in discussing anything with you again. Life is too short to respond to your trolling. I'm done with you. I'm filling my time more usefully.

I sincerely hope you have a wonderful Christmas and hope you find something more productive to do with your time than troll message boards next year.

Enjoy the break.

Sincerely

Damian

Just a sidenote porn isn't covered by SOPA... "By a vote of 9 to 18, the House Judiciary Committee rejected an amendment offered by Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.), which would have barred the Department of Justice from using the new tactics envisioned by an anti-piracy bill to protect "obscene and pornographic works."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1158466.html

ok make it simple

if a person is not convicted of perjury for the false claim

then the wrong party has a right to sue for and get all copyright owned by that company revoked.

just adding a new penalty to match the new rights

rather then pretending the old penalty which has done nothing to prevent abuse will some how magically do so now

People do have the freedom to look at what they want. But they used to have to pay the person that created it. Now they have the freedom to steal from the owner of the content without much fear of reprisal. If I say you can't see my content unless you are over 18, and pay for the right, is that censorship?

I'm not in favor of SOPA, but this idea that one pic or doing could get GFY or any other site shut down is the opposite of what SOPA says. SOPA says the complaintant has to prove that the site is dedicated to nothing but theft.

I think you took the opposite of what it actually says. Unless I am mistaken. Besides why shouldn't porn also be protected? It's not like we are selling drugs. Most of us run legitimate businesses.

i doubt this will go thru, after all being able to watch a movie for free or jerk one off from time to time , the 1% will choose to keep the people away from the streets

imagine all those freeloaders starting riots because theres no free porn and movies any more......
then we got serious trouble

Stop taking apart the fear mongers case. It leaves them with less to be scared about. :1orglaugh

Sorry to disappoint but the answer is yes, our editing program is paid for, and the programs our designer uses, and our musicians....

It is not Thatcher "I am all Right" that we commission music and pay for it, quite the opposite.

That is not selfish, there is a whole community of film makers who make films for Broadcast, as part of the contract with the TV companies they have to declare all the clearances and copy write material used. Every TV program has to be cleared in this way. If I saw a piece of my footage on a TV program without my consent I can have that program stopped.

One of my site was hacked and banned by Google yesterday, how nice it would be if they had given me 5 days notice to have it cleared.

Yes I used "Die Hard" as an example because film can be a messenger for change, for spreading ideas, but just think of how much enjoyment those films bring to the world.

Check out Sulliavan's Travels by Preston Sturges for an in depth explanation of enjoymant and scial change.

I am not convinced that the new technologies produce social change....

Yeah, you'd have to be pretty delusional to think the government is gonna go to bat for porn peddlers. They'll freeze out your sites before they go after the ones sharing your content for free.

good to see the so-called communists and libertarians show their true colors when it comes to sopa.

hypocritical scum who think the government can legislate people to buy their crappy content and archaic business models.

:2 cents:

cut off the host
cut off the credit card processor
cut off the advertisers
cut off the search engine links

and you would kill a site

and you can do all of those without any judicial review.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberta...pitalist_views

http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~...lproperty.html

:thumbsup

And you are sure every font he has has a license? Really sure?

Ever outsourced any development or design? Sure they all are paid for fonts too?

No. The thatcher reference was to you saying that because YOU don't have any infringing stuff on your site you think SOPA is good.

It just amuses me SO much on SO many levels that pornographers want to let the US government censor the internet.

And I mocked you for using that example because it is pathetic for a left wing politically active person to think that an action film is better than twitter. Offensively pathetic. In fact, you are an intelligent man, so I can only assume you are doing a Markham and just trolling me now!

Read the news occasionally.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?clien...FZGB8gOOwciqAQ

No way, you mean the government doesn't care about Robbie's finances?

It was an amendment bought forward by Polis, to not include Porn. It didn't pass.

"By a vote of 9 to 18, the House Judiciary Committee rejected an amendment offered by Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.), which would have barred the Department of Justice from using the new tactics envisioned by an anti-piracy bill to protect "obscene and pornographic works."

Members of both parties came together to defeat the anti-pornography initiative, with Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas), ranking member John Conyers (D-Mich.), and even hardcore social conservative Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) all against Polis' amendment, and in effect, standing up to protect the porn industry."

people that think SOPA will work, make me laugh.

My mom told me its mean to laugh at people that don't know any better, but do you people really think SOPA will work? Are you naive enough to think that these people wont find another way to share content?

Again, we have the people that pay to create content arguing for it...

And those that want to consume and share it for free arguing against it.

If the thieves didn't think content was an all you can eat free buffet we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If it passes, the only people to blame are those that created the problem.

yeah dam that writer guild

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...to-crack.shtml


they never create anything

dam the Business Software Alliance

coders don't create anything either.

dam the 20,000 independent musicians, writers they don't create anything either

wow... some people are idiots.... no matter who is against it or for it, the cause of sopa comes from the people stealing/sharing content.

That's the hilarious part. I really think they honestly believe it will work. It's as if they don't know that the great firewall of china is as easy to get around as stepping over a cat on the sidewalk.

Typos corrected.

You're welcome.

SOPA will make little difference to the porn industry. We're too fond of giving it away for free for SOPA to have a real effect. Those downloading pirated movies, will move to Tubes who will make sure they don't lose their traffic because of a lack of full scenes.

The extra cost might be covered by those advertising on piracy sites, having to buy space on legal sites.

SOPA will not break the Internet either, the Internet is far too powerful for that and the scare mongers pushing that myth know it.

Yes Youtube will have to clean up it's act. Google will no longer give porn piracy sites top ranking, because they will fall away if the act works. It might give legal Tubes top ranking, but that's legal. Adapt or die.

And that's the nub of it. all you adapt or die clowns and the ones who tell me I never adapted to the new Internet. Will have to adapt to a new Internet yourself. And it scares you.

No more free pirated music, games, films, etc. And what ever else you used to enjoy for free. If SOPA works. If it doesn't they will take a bigger sledge hammer to crack the problem. Because the US loses too much money to allow it to continue. Not individual companies, the US and EU. Countries where the creative work is created, lose out to pirates based in other countries.

Yes big companies are pushing for it and you are pawns in their game. You can bitch till your blue in the face, like 2257, .xxx, the 1% CB ceiling, etc. Adapt or fuck off. Because nothing you say here will change.

You guys are worse than me bitching about how it used to be. Get on with working out how to make use of the changes and being ahead of the game and not bitching here and losing valuable time. Because nothing you say, post or do will have any effect when the law passes.

So why do you sound so scared?

It's a double edged sword.

And sure, if it was kept specifically to a certain copyright use it would be fine. But you would have to be extremely naive to believe it would be kept to that strict use.

Once you start censoring even a small gap in the market, it only grows from there.

It's a trojan horse, and if anyone who is familiar with the US GOV tactics, you ought to damn well know they are already planning other tactical uses.

I love how if you don't support a bullshit law you just MUST run illegal tubes, steal music and not produce anything that falls under copyright.

The entire movie of Disney's Toy Story was on xvideos until it was removed. In addition, xvideos has had TV series such as Game of Thrones. There are many sex scenes, from mainstream movies, on tube sites. There are torrent sites, that specialize in porn, that also have mainstream movies on them.

Pornographers could send link lists of mainstream movies, that are being pirated, to mainstream companies. If mainstream companies go after the porn piracy sites, it helps the pornographers as well. If SOPA passes, think what the mainstream film industry could do to these sites.

I agree that censoring is bad. But this is not about censorship, it is about enforcing the copyright laws to protect producers, not thieves. I am sure it would make the internet less fun for people that enjoy receiving stolen goods, and the people making good money on theft. Pay to produce some content, create a site, then launch it. A week or two later if it is good, you can google it and see it show up all over the net. See how that feels and you will know who the law is for. It is these people that like the idea of a law with some teeth. Everyone else has nothing to lose and maybe even money to gain by stealing being a valid way to generate traffic and income. No way this is gonna pass, but a content producer can dream. :thumbsup

If it weren't guaranteed that the government will use this bill for other "less desirable" purposes, then I would agree with it completely. The devil is in the details, and you had better believe there will be a couple of minute loophole angles that will be exploited for uses outside of those which are listed as the main theme of the bill.

If for nothing else, it will set a very uncomfortable precedent. Sometimes just having a "process" that can delay people is enough leverage to use as a hefty tool against others who's content is deemed "un-desirable" by the government.

Just look at the court system, some parties can legally kill innocent campaigners by taking them to court year after year on bogus charges and effectively eliminate them from running again. It's all legal.

This bill may be over reaching. I'm not sure. I think the risk of legitimate sites being shut down by liars is slim. But I don't trust the government. I have seen what happens without a strong law, so I am ready to see what happens when they have one that has teeth. Like I said, there is no way this will pass. Hopefully a better one will follow and will put pressure on the paypals, filesonics, bit torrents, and illegal tubes to stop stealing until they are caught. This method adds the burden of playing whack a mole constantly with content thieves.

Seriously, all of you are driving me insane... sorry, I have to post, I can not stand this anymore...

There is so much misunderstanding on this board about SOPA it is INSANE...

SOPA misunderstanding 1: The market-driven system (103) does NOT PROVIDE FOR NOTICE TO HOSTS!!! It _ONLY_ allows notices sent to _AD NETWORKS_ and _BILLING PROVIDERS_.

SOPA misunderstanding 2: SOPA does not apply to sites that offer one link to some copyrighted product!! It has to be DEDICATED TO THE FACT.

SOPA misunderstanding 3: Market-Driven SOPA notices to ad networks or billing providers will most likely result in a counter-notice from the site, which will result in it going to COURT!!! If anyone here thinks that ad networks or billing providers will just voluntarily shut down sites they are insane... if they thought that would make sense they would friggin do it already now.

SOPA misunderstanding 4: SOPAs _2nd_ paragraph -- Section 1 - SEC 2 - (a) (2) -- is there to LIMIT anything following in the law, and it clearly states that anywhere it talks about a breach of Title 17, ALL LIMITATIONS OF TITLE 17 APPLY.. Guess what guys, TITLE 17 SECTION 512 is _DMCA_.

SOPA misunderstanding 5: SOPA was made for sites like pornbb.org or similar, in order to shutdown sites which CAN NOT BE TOUCHED from the US. It is so that although the SITE can not be taken down, it can be blacklisted all over in the US. The ISP provision in 102 is not to send a notice to the HOST OF THE SITE.. It's to send a notice to ALL ISPS IN THE US TO BLOCK THE DNS!

Small hint also regarding our sites and 103 -- 1) We run our own Ad Network, a SOPA notice sent to that one will definitely result in a counter-notice and a lawsuit following; 2) We do not use any billing providers on our tube sites.

In general, 103 will be used by copyright owners without really understanding it, and will likely harm a bunch of them when they have to go to court and pay penalties for false claims. Make _SURE_ you understand 103 (a) (1) perfectly... especially (B) (i) (I)... "primarily" and "only limited purpose or use other than" and "violation of Section 501 of title 17" in connection with 1 SEC 2 (a) (2) are quite detailed as in what they mean and apply to... BTW, (B) (ii) is there for sites like the pirate bay I guess...

BTW, since a comment to that effect was made here, DMCA has nothing to do with not wanting to police a site, but instead that a site taking submissions by ANY THIRD PARTY, even a verified source, needs DMCA to protect itself against someone that posts content she does not own.

What experience do you have working in the media or entertainment industry, adult or mainstream, that is censored?

I had 3 decades of experience and I can tell you categorically it never hurt my business or my ability to get the information I wanted.

Nathan has just pointed out what the law means. Now why don't you go see your lawyer, get a written rebuttal from him or her and come back with the truth.

What ever you say, it makes no difference. The law will be passed, or one like it, if it does not work another will be passed. Crying over spilled milk won't make it leap back into the glass.

http://www.anglais.ru/wp-content/upl...spilt-milk.jpg

And this goes for all the other anti people.

My advice is to assume it will pass and to assume it will affect the way your business or life is run and adapt or die. You're all young enough. :1orglaugh

That is a pretty stupid assumption.

I fight piracy on-behalf of programs I promote, (for content I don't even fucking own) but I don't support SOPA.

It's like killing an ant with a nuclear bomb. Handing this type of control over to the government is NEVER a good idea. Name one government agency / run service that operates fairly or efficiently?

Giving the government the power to control what sites ISPs can allow access to is a VERY bad idea, period.

Imagine a wrongful complaint against your site by a competitor and the government blocks it, without due process. Imagine spending the next 3 years in court trying to get it back online. Imagine if you lived in another country and all of sudden in an instant you lose all U.S. traffic, imagine the process involved of trying to get that traffic back.

This bill scares the shit out of me, it has the potential to kill this industry twice as fast as tubes and forums. :(

Today, it's for piracy, tomorrow it's for lewdness or free speech that creates fear and panic, etc. Once you hand this type of control over to the government there is no telling what they will use it for.