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Cherry7 12-21-2011 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18642515)
And I mocked you for using that example because it is pathetic for a left wing politically active person to think that an action film is better than twitter. Offensively pathetic. In fact, you are an intelligent man, so I can only assume you are doing a Markham and just trolling me now!



Read the news occasionally.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?clien...FZGB8gOOwciqAQ

I used a popular action film exactly because its main function is entertainment. That is not a bad thing. It is a very well made film, I think the editing, mis en scen and sound in the attack on the flat should go down in film history together with the Odessa Steps sequence of Battleship Potemkin.

The fact you misunderstood this shows the weakness of this form of discourse, a simple phone conversation would have made everything plain. Old technology .

The printing press, twitter etc are important tools, but what changes the world are ideas not the means of delivering them. The failure of the people in the most advanced countries to make any political change shows that it is not the technology. Egypt has had change because its pro western government was unpopular, the small educated elite now find that twitter will not help them with the Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood with its organization based on a party and books reaches all the population.

As I said if you look at "Sullivan Travels " it will show you the relationship between political movies and entertainment. After making musicals Sullivan wants the studio to let him make a movie about real people based on his script "Brother Where Art Thou?" I will not spoil the ending.....

I don't think I troll as I don't really know what it means.

Happy Christmas

DamianJ 12-21-2011 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18644054)
Egypt has had change because its pro western government was unpopular, the small educated elite now find that twitter will not help them with the Muslim Brotherhood.


http://smedio.com/2011/02/04/how-twi...an-revolution/

Joshua G 12-21-2011 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 18643676)
That is a pretty stupid assumption.

I fight piracy on-behalf of programs I promote, (for content I don't even fucking own) but I don't support SOPA.

It's like killing an ant with a nuclear bomb. Handing this type of control over to the government is NEVER a good idea. Name one government agency / run service that operates fairly or efficiently?

Giving the government the power to control what sites ISPs can allow access to is a VERY bad idea, period.

Imagine a wrongful complaint against your site by a competitor and the government blocks it, without due process. Imagine spending the next 3 years in court trying to get it back online. Imagine if you lived in another country and all of sudden in an instant you lose all U.S. traffic, imagine the process involved of trying to get that traffic back.

This bill scares the shit out of me, it has the potential to kill this industry twice as fast as tubes and forums. :(

Today, it's for piracy, tomorrow it's for lewdness or free speech that creates fear and panic, etc. Once you hand this type of control over to the government there is no telling what they will use it for.

you don't know that any of that will happen. Your guessing.

fact is, the government can do every fear you outlined RIGHT NOW. If they want to take down your site, they will find some law to take you down. maybe you werent available for 20 hours/week for 2257 inspections. or they stick the IRS on you. They have all kinds of gimics.

at some point people have to stop fearing abuse of power by the government to justify having no laws at all. The US government is not China, nor is it going to turn into one while there is a independent judiciary.

DamianJ 12-21-2011 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 18644116)
fact is, the government can do every fear you outlined RIGHT NOW.

Point is, with this new bill the government aren't involved at all. Anyone can report you, and your site will be closed in 5 days. No government intervention. No due process.

Oh, and it will break the internet.

signupdamnit 12-21-2011 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 18643613)
SOPA misunderstanding 2: SOPA does not apply to sites that offer one link to some copyrighted product!! It has to be DEDICATED TO THE FACT.

On the front page of pornhub.com, right now, what percentage of movies do you either:

a) Own the rights or a license to show on your sites
b) Have permission from the owners to show said movies

What about a year ago? Three years ago?

Fabian, in your expert opinion please summarize in 100 words or less what exactly it is about your tube properties which have made them so popular with users. In other words what do you think it is that brings people to Pornhub versus the other thousands of porn tubes out there?

topnotch, standup guy 12-21-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18644143)
Point is, with this new bill the government aren't involved at all. Anyone can report you, and your site will be closed in 5 days. No government intervention. No due process.

That is precisely what makes this bill work for people in this industry.

Think about it. The government will never lift a finger to help anyone in this industry.

Never.

But this bill will empower industry producers and honest webmasters alike to help themselves.


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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18644143)
Oh, and it will break the internet.

Yeah right.

The only sites that need worry are those whose primary purpose is the dissemination of pirated content.

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signupdamnit 12-21-2011 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 18644328)

But this bill will empower industry producers and honest webmasters alike to help themselves.

If it passes I know I plan on spending a couple hours a day going through the tubes, forums and file sharing hosts looking for my sponsor's content. Then I plan on contacting them and suggesting things they can do under SOPA to put them out of business. I'll do it for free just to help my own conversions and for the pleasure of seeing some of these scumbags lose their sites. :1orglaugh

SmutHammer 12-21-2011 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 18644372)
If it passes I know I plan on spending a couple hours a day going through the tubes, forums and file sharing hosts looking for my sponsor's content. Then I plan on contacting them and suggesting things they can do under SOPA to put them out of business. I'll do it for free just to help my own conversions and for the pleasure of seeing some of these scumbags lose their sites. :1orglaugh

let us know what you find :thumbsup

topnotch, standup guy 12-21-2011 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 18643676)
That is a pretty stupid assumption.

I fight piracy on-behalf of programs I promote, (for content I don't even fucking own) but I don't support SOPA.

It's like killing an ant with a nuclear bomb.

Thing is that ant, as you call it, has proved pretty resilient to everything that has been thrown at it thus far.

Perhaps nothing short of a virtual nuke can kill it.


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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 18643676)
Handing this type of control over to the government is NEVER a good idea. Name one government agency / run service that operates fairly or efficiently?

Giving the government the power to control what sites ISPs can allow access to is a VERY bad idea, period.

I don't trust the government either but imperfect solutions are oftentimes better than no solutions at all.

The enemy of my enemy can sometimes function as my friend.


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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 18643676)
Imagine a wrongful complaint against your site by a competitor and the government blocks it, without due process. Imagine spending the next 3 years in court trying to get it back online. Imagine if you lived in another country and all of sudden in an instant you lose all U.S. traffic, imagine the process involved of trying to get that traffic back.

As I understand it, only sites who's primary purpose is piracy would be vulnerable.

A monkey sitting in front of a computer monitor can differentiate between a file sharing forum and/or tube and that of a legitimate site with the occasional unauthorized image.


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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 18643676)
This bill scares the shit out of me, it has the potential to kill this industry twice as fast as tubes and forums. :(

If piracy isn't brought under control, they'll soon be no (legitimate) industry left to kill.


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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 18643676)
Today, it's for piracy, tomorrow it's for lewdness or free speech that creates fear and panic, etc. Once you hand this type of control over to the government there is no telling what they will use it for.

Your concerns are valid.

But remember, those who spend all of their hours worrying about tomorrow sometimes fail to survive the perils of today.


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marlboroack 12-21-2011 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 18641346)
Google is the biggest pirate of them all.

WTF is that thing in your avatar?

Paul Markham 12-21-2011 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7
Egypt has had change because its pro western government was unpopular, the small educated elite now find that twitter will not help them with the Muslim Brotherhood.

The same people who were in charge under Hosni Mubarak's rule are still in charge. The Army ran the country and still run it. Twitter is what a little bird does and it had the same effect in Egypt. the Eagles and Hawks still rule. Nice illusion that Twitter can change the world, but seriously, wait and see.


Ten months after Egypt's revolution ended Hosni Mubarak's 30-year dictatorship, there is no sign of stable government arriving any time soon. After two days of pitch battles with the military in downtown Cairo, 10 protesters have been killed and over 300 injured.


This will help you.

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18644143)
Oh, and it will break the internet.

If it's that easy to break, best we break it and start again. Got your tin foil hat?

Seriously Damian, it makes no difference what you post here. The law will get passed, then we will see if it breaks the Internet. If I can close you down or you can close me down or Fabian can shut all the rest of us down.

If you're right, what are your future plans? Have you been getting your CV ready, searching the situation vacant ads or registered at the job centre? Not having a go and this is what all the fear mongers should be doing, because according to them, it's all over.

Real world, none of you have thought about alternative employment. Because you don't really believe the fears you're spreading.

Not just Damian, all the fear mongers who think it's the end of online porn or the strangling of it. What actions have you taken to to safeguard your future incomes?

That calls for a poll.

Zester 12-21-2011 12:01 PM

is it over yet?

gideongallery 12-21-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 18643613)
Seriously, all of you are driving me insane... sorry, I have to post, I can not stand this anymore...

There is so much misunderstanding on this board about SOPA it is INSANE...

SOPA misunderstanding 1: The market-driven system (103) does NOT PROVIDE FOR NOTICE TO HOSTS!!! It _ONLY_ allows notices sent to _AD NETWORKS_ and _BILLING PROVIDERS_.

SOPA misunderstanding 2: SOPA does not apply to sites that offer one link to some copyrighted product!! It has to be DEDICATED TO THE FACT.

SOPA misunderstanding 3: Market-Driven SOPA notices to ad networks or billing providers will most likely result in a counter-notice from the site, which will result in it going to COURT!!! If anyone here thinks that ad networks or billing providers will just voluntarily shut down sites they are insane... if they thought that would make sense they would friggin do it already now.

SOPA misunderstanding 4: SOPAs _2nd_ paragraph -- Section 1 - SEC 2 - (a) (2) -- is there to LIMIT anything following in the law, and it clearly states that anywhere it talks about a breach of Title 17, ALL LIMITATIONS OF TITLE 17 APPLY.. Guess what guys, TITLE 17 SECTION 512 is _DMCA_.

SOPA misunderstanding 5: SOPA was made for sites like pornbb.org or similar, in order to shutdown sites which CAN NOT BE TOUCHED from the US. It is so that although the SITE can not be taken down, it can be blacklisted all over in the US. The ISP provision in 102 is not to send a notice to the HOST OF THE SITE.. It's to send a notice to ALL ISPS IN THE US TO BLOCK THE DNS!

Small hint also regarding our sites and 103 -- 1) We run our own Ad Network, a SOPA notice sent to that one will definitely result in a counter-notice and a lawsuit following; 2) We do not use any billing providers on our tube sites.

In general, 103 will be used by copyright owners without really understanding it, and will likely harm a bunch of them when they have to go to court and pay penalties for false claims. Make _SURE_ you understand 103 (a) (1) perfectly... especially (B) (i) (I)... "primarily" and "only limited purpose or use other than" and "violation of Section 501 of title 17" in connection with 1 SEC 2 (a) (2) are quite detailed as in what they mean and apply to... BTW, (B) (ii) is there for sites like the pirate bay I guess...

BTW, since a comment to that effect was made here, DMCA has nothing to do with not wanting to police a site, but instead that a site taking submissions by ANY THIRD PARTY, even a verified source, needs DMCA to protect itself against someone that posts content she does not own.

the DMCA takedown notice is only supposed to be used to takedown content you own

yet universal took down mega uploads song even though they knew it didn't contain a single second of their copyright material.

The issue is not what will happen if the law if followed as intended it when grey areas are abused.

Abusers of these laws should be punished just as much as companies who infringe.

Paul Markham 12-22-2011 12:47 AM

All the anti SOPA guys who think it will change their businesses, need to get over here https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1050810 and vote.

Then post on how they are planning to make money in the future, seeing as SOPA wil change so much for them. Well that's what they say will happen.

In truth they're doing fuck all because they don't believe what they're saying.

NewNick 12-22-2011 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18642955)
again, we have the people that pay to create content arguing for it...

And those that want to consume and share it for free arguing against it.

If the thieves didn't think content was an all you can eat free buffet we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If it passes, the only people to blame are those that created the problem.



qft.........

NewNick 12-22-2011 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18642995)
That's the hilarious part. I really think they honestly believe it will work.


What do you mean by "honestly believe it will work."

It does not have "to work" if you are insinuating that you should not legislate unless you can be 100% certain that the crime will be eradicated.

Laws are not passed in the belief that the crime will be eradicated, and it is a really pathetic internet hippy argument that says content should be free because "its the internet".

Jesus, you will be telling us that "property is theft" next.

Paul Markham 12-22-2011 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 18645461)
the DMCA takedown notice is only supposed to be used to takedown content you own

yet universal took down mega uploads song even though they knew it didn't contain a single second of their copyright material.

The issue is not what will happen if the law if followed as intended it when grey areas are abused.

Abusers of these laws should be punished just as much as companies who infringe.

Can you explain this better please.

Universal took down one song that wasn't theirs?

Took down many songs, some of which weren't theirs?

Took down many songs, none of which weren't theirs?

Took down the whole site?

Link to the news story, from a neutral and reliable source so not a post on Pirate Bay.

Can you quote me what the penalties are for bringing down a site wrongly today and the penalties for bringing down a site falsely under the new SOPA law please. Not a post somewhere, the actual law as it's written.

Otherwise people will think you're full of BS.

Also can you post here what your future plans are for employment. As you think SOPA s so bad. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1050810

Cherry7 12-22-2011 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18642221)
good to see the so-called communists and libertarians show their true colors when it comes to sopa.

hypocritical scum who think the government can legislate people to buy their crappy content and archaic business models.

That is because you do not understand the way the world really is for the powerless.

Take the UK Coal miners, they were doing a terrible job, they did not control the industry.

They had radical beliefs of controlling the industry for the benefit of all.

When the government wanted to destroy the Coal Mining Industry they struck to defend it.

SOPA

There could be a radical solution where society /Internet take over the full funding and employment of the industries being destroyed by the free distribution of content. Like the BBC in the UK everyone pays a hundred or so dollars a year and for that you get TV channels, news, music and news free at the point of consumption.

but if the Internet is not going to pay up but just steal, then workers will defend their jobs, and will support their bosses in defending their industries.

Communists see a great possibility of free information and culture for all, but the workers who produce it have to be paid. That is why if the Goggles of this world don't like SOPA, the ball is in their court on how the creative industries should be funded.

Not such an idealistic wonderful technology if it is destroying your job and art.

Why have the Internet companies come up with a better plan?

Because they want to continue to make money on other people content and work?

Robber Barons.


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