So lets explore your position johnnyclips.

Those that question your views are crazy?

You however, do not question yourself and your own views.

You are certain in your views.

Those who are not certain of YOUR views are crazy?

truthers are the ultimate finger-pointers.

i especially like the one where they point at you for following your authority figure yet they goosestep in a row behind their authority figures- the ones who come up with these crazy theories.

that's 1 reason why i challenged gfy conspiracists recently to come up with their own conspiracy, don't just get in line behind your authority figure, be original, not a hypocrite.

you guys are all missing out on the real truth..

B3tShit has already proven it with his gfy polls... wehatelife has proven it with youtube.. now i'm here to show you the way through commercials...

Exactly, my guess is that there probably was supposed to be a 3rd place hitting it. But it doesn't matter because they brought it down anyways and people who believe the government's story say there's no way it was a controlled demolition. It's like looking at the sun and saying it's not the sun.

The problem is you take what the official authority figures say as the default position and every other theory or explanation needs irrefutable evidence, which of course is not possible because of all the layers of "national security" and compartmentalization.

If everything was open to the public and all secrets exposed then there wouldn't be a debate. However we know that the owners of this country would never tell the public the truth. They have no obligation to, which is why a hierarchy exists in the first place- to protect the truth from getting out to the general public. How can people not see the obvious by now?

that's what i do? you wouldn't know me if i was standing in line in front of you at the grocery store.

Then why do you believe the government's story?

The only reason any human being would believe that non-sense is because they have been conditioned and programmed by society from a very young age to look up to and "respect" authority. That's it. People can see it in other countries like North Korea but for some reason can't see what's going on right here.

While I'm sure everyone here accepts that the US carried out False Flag attacks in the past, it would be ludicrous to think they would do the same again in this day and age. There are nicer people in control now. :upsidedow

i never said that.

Then what are you saying?

Quit playing stupid little games

It blows me away that people can watch that building come straight down into it's own footprint at free fall speed, exactly like a perfectly executed demo job and think that's normal! If that could possibly happen then why wasn't a single building code changed or the architect/builder sued for complete incompetence.

The most disturbing part of this entire event is the Government knew the majority of the people are so stupid that they could get away with it. We're a joke to the rest of the world.

If this exact same thing happened in Iran and they blamed the attack on the US, how many Americans would look at the video and say it was a demo job.

NIST wouldn't even touch Building 7 so what does that tell us. They called it a "miracle" and left it at that.

Yup. :small-smi

Exactly, most people are in a total trance

And yes like you said imagine if something similar happened in Iran or North Korea and a building fell into it's own footprint and the United States or Israel were blamed, then all you'd hear is that it was a controlled demolition. However via mind control and propaganda, the average moron can't see this

You know what's worse than someone who doesn't believe the truth?

Someone with the knowledge that doesn't do anything meaningful with it.

It's been over a decade and truthers have accomplished nothing.

It's a normal reaction for people to deny this was an inside job but facts are facts. If I didn't see the video myself and was just going by a written report I would be amazed that such a thing could happen but the video is a smoking gun that I don't think was planned.

I'm betting that they figured all the targets would be destroyed very close together and no one would notice Building 7 coming down. They might have thought the Twin Towers would do more damage to surrounding buildings.

Even if they planned it better and destroyed Building 7 quicker to avoid drawing attention to the demo job, the Government still looks like a joke for allowing the attack to happen in the first place.

We're all over the world in other people's shit yet we can't even protect our own country?

They create all this fear that we can be attacked at anytime by terrorists. Do you remember all the color codes the Bush administration used to warn us of the threat? You never hear them talking about that now. That's because you can't put fear into people and talk about taking their weapons at the same time. You have to create the illusion of security first, hence DHS.

Yup

The elite are mostly machiavellian, collectivists who think it is their duty to protect and guide humanity. To think they would even flinch about killing 3,000 people on 9/11, 1 million in Iraq or hundreds of thousands in Japan, they wouldn't. The ends justify the means and if they want to do something then it gets done.

It's pretty easy to see this when you start to expand your mind and stop looking at the world from you and/or your family's point of view. The global elite and power brokers do not think like you or I and do not act like us, nor are they anything like us. They most likely aren't 100% human as they even admit in their own writings. They look down upon us like we look down upon humans. I mean I look down on most people like animals, since so many of them are unconscious and walking around like a zombie cheering on their football teams.

It's funny how all the government and department of homeland security does is inflict fear in people 24/7, yet "truth seekers" are deemed "fear mongers" by the morons. Irony indeed!

“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”

-Ayn Rand

Sounds legit.

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who let johnnyclips back on board?

Yep, when the most sophisticated and powerful Government in the world wants to do something, within its own territory where everything is under its control, for some unexplained reason it requires thousands of people to accomplish, all of whom, for some equally never explained reason, just can't wait to spill the beans on their crimes.

OTOH, cave dwelling Arab goat herders can pull off the same feat, against the most powerful, well defended and intelligence savvy nation in history, with less than two dozen men, and without ever giving the slightest clue what's about to happen.

Sounds legit.

Edit: double post

riiiiiiight.

i'm not playing any games. i stated that people like you point you finger at people like me and you quickly proved my point with your replies to me.

re: my view on 9/11- the fact is, i'm not so insecure with my thoughts and beliefs about it that i feel the need to require everyone else agree with me or else they are brainwashed government sheep.


here, i am going to tell you a life lesson that your parents have not told you yet:

it's a big world out there, it's complicated. things are not black and white like a 3rd grader would see them, make up your own mind and have the confidence in yourself to allow others to do the same.

lol yea, I never understood that how people can say that it would take thousands of people to pull it off and everyone will want to come forward...but then they say 19 people and a few others pulled it off

Here is a very thorough debunking of the WTC 7 conspiracy myth, and the whole 9/11 conspiracy myth in general:

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

One thing you can count on the "truth seekers" is to ignore or attribute to being part of the government conspiracy actual evidence contrary to their worldview and beliefs so its nice that you posted that but just don't expect any of them to actually take any time on it.

Saying "In my mind I don't think a building should fall like that" is far better evidence for them. Years of watching youtube has given them the confidence to say such things with a straight face.

A 100+ story building falling on it and then burning unchecked for 8 hours doesn't enter the equation.

True.

conspiracist's mantra:

never let facts get in the way of pointing your finger at others.

Right, it fell because of fires :1orglaugh

see what i mean.

I must admit you are great at arguing your point Johnny, can't believe anyone doubted your MIT credentials :upsidedow

No it fell because our reptilian overlords wanted to perpetrate a massive false-flag operation to justify an invasion of another country to get oil which everyone knows they need to drink to survive. However, they felt that slamming two airliners into the twin towers and having both of those towers collapse would not be horrific enough and not enough to convince people to support their evil plans. So they decided to also collapse WTC 7, by means of controlled demolition, to really, really drive the point home. They knew that the shock and outrage over the collapse of WTC 7, a plain looking building no one had even heard of before, would really put the icing on the cake and get everyone onside to support whatever plans they had. Let's face it - without the collapse of WTC 7, the whole event might not have even made the news that day. Or maybe just a brief mention after sports and weather.

More proof - almost smoking gun level:



How can anyone possibly refute that?

:Oh crap

lets assume these theories are true...what did the 'government' get out of doing this? new fancy laws? a 'reason' to invade a country? if they are going to kill their own people, i fail to see why they would need to use this as an excuse to do anything. and all the laws that came afterwards..can you really say your life changed because of them?

you think people are fools for buying what they're sold. you're also buying, just from a different source. ever think the real truth is nothing that's been put out there at all yet? that no one will ever really know until the information becomes declassified? no, you just regurgitate what you've been told from your alternate leaders and then have the audacity to mock others for doing the exact same thing. like i said before, you're just a sheep of a different color.

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

No 9/11 happened because a bunch of arabs living in a cave who couldn't fly a plane hated americans freedom and decided to hijack four planes simultaneously while defeating a multi billion dollar air defense system and ended up taking down three buildings with two of those planes while conspiring with a bearded man in a cave...and one of the hijackers passports was found in the rubble at the WTC site! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

This whole idea of "killing their own people" makes no sense to me at all. I love this ownership idea and that "no way they would do that!" meanwhile millions are locked up in cages for non crimes. Unbelievable how the average moron thinks.

What did the rulers accomplish? Is that some sort of joke question? Where've you been the last decade?

Its obviously a question you don't want to bother to answer. If it was an inside job, was the previous bombing also an inside job? if gore had been elected would it of even happened? wouldn't it of been much easier to fake an attack on a naval ship if they wanted reason to invade a country? i'm willing to bet you were 12 or younger in 2001.

The FBI created the plot in the first WTC bombings. Where've you been, under a rock?

i don't waste my time watching BS youtube videos, sorry. again as usual you avoid most everything. when are you going to take responsibility for your failure in life instead of blaming it on forces out of your control?

This statement has nothing to do with anything.

I guess you never heard of Emad Salem? Probably not. Ignorant, uninformed pathetic moron!

Actually none of those guys lived in caves. Many of them were university educated in the west and several of them had passed enough piloting lessons to perform their tasks.

http://911myths.com/index.php/The_Hijackers


Air defense didn't come into play because there were no unidentified aircraft.

And it's not a complete shock that a passport was found in the rubble. Many personal affects from several passengers were recovered at the crash sites.

http://911myths.com/index.php/Person...Proof_Passport

and what have you done with all of your proved information? why don't you go for a bike ride and buy a lollipop little boy.

i know exactly who the fuck he is and this is yet another one of your fucked-up psycho-spins on shit.

Can the people who believe the batshit crazy official conspiracy theory please post evidence to back up their theory. Thanks.

lol, you forgot "smelly poo-poo breath fatty fatty ginger!!!"

what a cunt lol :1orglaugh

for the rest of the adults

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/ny...ted=all&src=pm

Here, I just typed this up for everyone....

The 9/11 Debate:

Non Believer: The facts don't add up. The investigations were incomplete.

Believer: There is nothing more to investigate. It is obvious what happened. The media and our government told us everything we need to know.

Non Believer: But look here, at all of these sensible questions, posed by all sorts of experts.

Believer: Those questions are silly. The people posing them are crazy. 9/11 was not an inside job in any way.

Non Believer: But here are hundreds of videos and interviews that should be considered.

Believer: I don' t watch youtube videos that I don't want to agree with. Here's a youtube video explaining why 9/11 was not a conspiracy.

Non Believer: You are an idiot.

Believer: You are an idiot.

Bankers and War Profiteers The World Over: Hahahaha!

that summary couldn't be more wrong. well, it could be actually, but it's way off as it is.

here's th ebig whammy for you conspiracists.

in the 12 years since 9/11, what have you accomplished?


nada.