Less than 40% of the members of this board believe the government's account of 9/11.

Don't think so?

Then go ahead and create yet ANOTHER 9/11 poll, and see for yourselves.

NOTHING about the "official" 9/11 report adds up.

I feel bad for those who blindly believe the lies, and refuse to question ANY of the absurdities of that event.

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Poor guy. Unbelievable.

My points perfectly illustrated
An over generalization which can't possibly be true. The absurdity highlighted ironically with all capitals.

Translation:

"If you don't agree with my world view and my interpretations and perceptions, then you are "blind" and "ignorant" to what I and those like me, consider to be glaringly obvious" (believing the "lies" - i.e. "sheep"/"brainwashed" as they love to say)

The age old trick of re-framing all opposing views in a deceptive manner for the sole purpose of calling attention to an imaginary and easily winnable argument which never existed. No one ever said "i believe everything told to me"

People simply take an authority figure's word for it, whether their is proof or not just because they are in a position of power.

Yet they blatantly disregard government secrets and the shady history of the government

I heard bigfoot was involved. Real talk

Which people? All people?

Who is it disregarding government secrets or the fact that secrets exist or that governments have shady histories?

Are all people here unaware that governments do things in the dark?

I feel this is common knowledge - yet you act as if it isn't. Isn't it common knowledge that governments do secret things and lie?

Are we all unaware that the CIA doesn't file weekly update with the LA Times or keep an up to date blog on covert ops all over the world?


You see, you have to rely on broad generalizations and because specificity opens yourself up to arguments and ideas which challenge your view of things... not the other way around.

Believing and continually attempting to reinforce the idea that "everyone" does something is a device you use to make you feel comfortable about your views and its how you reconcile your world view and defend the misguided certainty of your interpretation of reality.

A wise person is full of doubt and constantly challenging his own views. Something you and yours are wholly incapable of doing.

By the way, it doesn't take Sigmund Freud to understand your issue is with authority in general.... not "the US government" or any specific entity.

Anyone who believes the official 9/11 story is either mentally ill or heavily under propaganda

No one has any idea what happened except for the people who planned it and had it carried out. Everything else is just propaganda. If the United States government came out and said Iran did it, then everyone would believe that. However looking at their past history and what's been admitted and carried out, there should be no surprise if the CIA or black ops was involved.

To come out and call anyone a conspiracy theorist who questions the official story, shows how much someone can be propagandized but a person or people in positions of power

I doubt anyone really knows what happened that day - Even the people that carried it out - There are just theories - You can only act on the theory you believe is closest to the truth.

We are all just conspiracy theorists...

Their biggest fuck-up was Building 7. It seems like it was a manpower issue or they would have brought it down right after the twin towers were demo'd, before the dust settled. The scary thing is how obvious that demo was and yet they got away with it.

So lets explore your position johnnyclips.

Those that question your views are crazy?

You however, do not question yourself and your own views.

You are certain in your views.

Those who are not certain of YOUR views are crazy?

truthers are the ultimate finger-pointers.

i especially like the one where they point at you for following your authority figure yet they goosestep in a row behind their authority figures- the ones who come up with these crazy theories.

that's 1 reason why i challenged gfy conspiracists recently to come up with their own conspiracy, don't just get in line behind your authority figure, be original, not a hypocrite.

you guys are all missing out on the real truth..

B3tShit has already proven it with his gfy polls... wehatelife has proven it with youtube.. now i'm here to show you the way through commercials...

Exactly, my guess is that there probably was supposed to be a 3rd place hitting it. But it doesn't matter because they brought it down anyways and people who believe the government's story say there's no way it was a controlled demolition. It's like looking at the sun and saying it's not the sun.

The problem is you take what the official authority figures say as the default position and every other theory or explanation needs irrefutable evidence, which of course is not possible because of all the layers of "national security" and compartmentalization.

If everything was open to the public and all secrets exposed then there wouldn't be a debate. However we know that the owners of this country would never tell the public the truth. They have no obligation to, which is why a hierarchy exists in the first place- to protect the truth from getting out to the general public. How can people not see the obvious by now?

that's what i do? you wouldn't know me if i was standing in line in front of you at the grocery store.

Then why do you believe the government's story?

The only reason any human being would believe that non-sense is because they have been conditioned and programmed by society from a very young age to look up to and "respect" authority. That's it. People can see it in other countries like North Korea but for some reason can't see what's going on right here.

While I'm sure everyone here accepts that the US carried out False Flag attacks in the past, it would be ludicrous to think they would do the same again in this day and age. There are nicer people in control now. :upsidedow

i never said that.

Then what are you saying?

Quit playing stupid little games

It blows me away that people can watch that building come straight down into it's own footprint at free fall speed, exactly like a perfectly executed demo job and think that's normal! If that could possibly happen then why wasn't a single building code changed or the architect/builder sued for complete incompetence.

The most disturbing part of this entire event is the Government knew the majority of the people are so stupid that they could get away with it. We're a joke to the rest of the world.

If this exact same thing happened in Iran and they blamed the attack on the US, how many Americans would look at the video and say it was a demo job.

NIST wouldn't even touch Building 7 so what does that tell us. They called it a "miracle" and left it at that.

Yup. :small-smi

Exactly, most people are in a total trance

And yes like you said imagine if something similar happened in Iran or North Korea and a building fell into it's own footprint and the United States or Israel were blamed, then all you'd hear is that it was a controlled demolition. However via mind control and propaganda, the average moron can't see this

You know what's worse than someone who doesn't believe the truth?

Someone with the knowledge that doesn't do anything meaningful with it.

It's been over a decade and truthers have accomplished nothing.

It's a normal reaction for people to deny this was an inside job but facts are facts. If I didn't see the video myself and was just going by a written report I would be amazed that such a thing could happen but the video is a smoking gun that I don't think was planned.

I'm betting that they figured all the targets would be destroyed very close together and no one would notice Building 7 coming down. They might have thought the Twin Towers would do more damage to surrounding buildings.

Even if they planned it better and destroyed Building 7 quicker to avoid drawing attention to the demo job, the Government still looks like a joke for allowing the attack to happen in the first place.

We're all over the world in other people's shit yet we can't even protect our own country?

They create all this fear that we can be attacked at anytime by terrorists. Do you remember all the color codes the Bush administration used to warn us of the threat? You never hear them talking about that now. That's because you can't put fear into people and talk about taking their weapons at the same time. You have to create the illusion of security first, hence DHS.

Yup

The elite are mostly machiavellian, collectivists who think it is their duty to protect and guide humanity. To think they would even flinch about killing 3,000 people on 9/11, 1 million in Iraq or hundreds of thousands in Japan, they wouldn't. The ends justify the means and if they want to do something then it gets done.

It's pretty easy to see this when you start to expand your mind and stop looking at the world from you and/or your family's point of view. The global elite and power brokers do not think like you or I and do not act like us, nor are they anything like us. They most likely aren't 100% human as they even admit in their own writings. They look down upon us like we look down upon humans. I mean I look down on most people like animals, since so many of them are unconscious and walking around like a zombie cheering on their football teams.

It's funny how all the government and department of homeland security does is inflict fear in people 24/7, yet "truth seekers" are deemed "fear mongers" by the morons. Irony indeed!

“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”

-Ayn Rand

Sounds legit.

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who let johnnyclips back on board?

Yep, when the most sophisticated and powerful Government in the world wants to do something, within its own territory where everything is under its control, for some unexplained reason it requires thousands of people to accomplish, all of whom, for some equally never explained reason, just can't wait to spill the beans on their crimes.

OTOH, cave dwelling Arab goat herders can pull off the same feat, against the most powerful, well defended and intelligence savvy nation in history, with less than two dozen men, and without ever giving the slightest clue what's about to happen.

Sounds legit.

Edit: double post

riiiiiiight.

i'm not playing any games. i stated that people like you point you finger at people like me and you quickly proved my point with your replies to me.

re: my view on 9/11- the fact is, i'm not so insecure with my thoughts and beliefs about it that i feel the need to require everyone else agree with me or else they are brainwashed government sheep.


here, i am going to tell you a life lesson that your parents have not told you yet:

it's a big world out there, it's complicated. things are not black and white like a 3rd grader would see them, make up your own mind and have the confidence in yourself to allow others to do the same.

lol yea, I never understood that how people can say that it would take thousands of people to pull it off and everyone will want to come forward...but then they say 19 people and a few others pulled it off

Here is a very thorough debunking of the WTC 7 conspiracy myth, and the whole 9/11 conspiracy myth in general:

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

One thing you can count on the "truth seekers" is to ignore or attribute to being part of the government conspiracy actual evidence contrary to their worldview and beliefs so its nice that you posted that but just don't expect any of them to actually take any time on it.

Saying "In my mind I don't think a building should fall like that" is far better evidence for them. Years of watching youtube has given them the confidence to say such things with a straight face.

A 100+ story building falling on it and then burning unchecked for 8 hours doesn't enter the equation.

True.

conspiracist's mantra:

never let facts get in the way of pointing your finger at others.

Right, it fell because of fires :1orglaugh

see what i mean.