you mean sites with stolen content so people will link and come back? that is the most i see in google so far ... :2 cents:

No that's not what I mean. I said what I mean. Build good sites. Provide excellent content. People will link to you because you have good sites. You will gain traffic. You will rank.

** It's really time for people to get over the stolen content thing. Until someone changes the laws, there is no such thing as "stolen content". It's "user uploaded", and there are safe harbor provisions in the DMCA to protect sites/isps hosting said "user uploaded" content. That is that. End of the story. So change the laws because Google is just doing it's job, which is showing people authority sites in relevant keyword categories with loads of relevant content related to those keywords.

*** disclaimer *** For the record, I hate content thieves more than anyone. But this is the reality now, and I've adopted new perspectives on things. Until you do the same, you will be imprisoned by your beliefs and won't be able to see the ways to adjust your business going forward to compete with free and/or stolen. Think on that a few.

:2 cents:

There should be thousands if not million sites to be reported as in first page "in error" :)

unless you build something like freeones, or some established review site like thebestporn, why would people link to you? i have sites with new porn sites, i am getting some links back, i am getting bookmarkers returning daily, still my site is on page 30, even if its unique and nothing like that is anywhere else ... so, what else to build? buy unique content and just publish it for free? or take free content from sponsors that everyone else have? man, google is now pro pirate and everyone without stolen content have it very hard or almost impossible to get traffic from there ... :2 cents: it will be nice to see some other examples, but i think they are not, or dont want to be posted :) congrats to everyone who is doing legit business and is having grow in his traffic and sales :thumbsup

I have found that I build good sites and make good content and do get people linking to me.

Not other webmasters since they are in competition with me.

I get social media and forum links. Over the years I've gotten 'some' links but not nearly what is needed to rank.

As a webmaster I've found you have to get the links (and everything else) yourself. People won't do it for you (or at least enough for you).

Lucas131 I'm really not hammering on you, but you've got to adjust your outlook on things. Google is not PRO pirate. Google is PRO authority website.

Google is not part of the adult business. They are not your friend. They do not owe you any traffic. Google has generated every hit of traffic to their site. The lion share of Googles traffic is type in and/or address bar searching. YOU have to earn their traffic. The way you do that is by doing the things I've listed.

They will continue to show their site visitors the best sites for the keywords that the visitor is searching for on THEIR engine. We all have our own issues with different terms, and the seo space is certainly much different than it was even a year ago, but you have to keep shifting. I do not even look at keywords ranking anymore.

Once a quarter I will run a report to see what is where and go from there. Step back, analyze a larger picture and data set. You will never know again what's going on with Google unless you do that. They are rolling out daily updates these days.

Hope this helps.

So you think they have nothing at all against adult sites or affiliate sites. That they are objectively trying to give the best results possible? I don't think any entity that is trying to make money is ever THAT neutral.

blackhat sites were rewarded with this update. white or grey hat sites were punished. that is the reality. that is no "theory."

google is increasingly pushing out adult sites from the serps. that is an objective fact. google "porn" and compare that to a month ago.

also google doesn't want anyone anyone making money from their results outside of adwords. looks at affiliates sites through that filter.

add to that how by their own admission google favors corporate sites or "brands" over mom and pop or sites created by individuals.

that is the reality of google in 2013.

"making a site for the user" is advice google gives to the rubes.

google ultimately wants you to provide your content for free so they can monetize it. don't feel bad doing whatever you have do to profit off them.

you can either be a wolf or a sheep with google. what do you want to be?

you will probably see the BH sites take a dive within the next few days as the algo irons it self out. :2 cents:

Nail on the head right there. Same with tumblr, facebook and the rest of them.

Agree ...

Really google penalizes sites reported too much for piracy (they say so), also the "chilling effects" hides results of reported sites completely. It is however a fact that people want free stuff and bookmarks what is free and so these sites with free stuff become an authority and so are shown first place, unless reported for very bad crimes.

Pretty well for me so far

Well one very bad thing that i noticed, is that Google is trying to figure out "the meaning" of the query ,and not the actual query it self.:1orglaugh
I see very spammy results even Indian:Hollering dating site being No1 :Hollering
Its amazing that mutt cutts really thinks he can figure out what's inside the mind of billions of people...

In non adult keywords also the same shit

:thumbsup agreed, if they end up on the front page great if not who gives a fuck, not gonna make adjustments every time they decide to tweak their engine as it never ends, build quality the rest will follow :2 cents:

I give a fuck.

Now, I may do things different to you 'players' but, after several years out of the biz I decided to give it one more shot.
I set about creating new sites. I concentrated on creating great content that people would actually want to read. I purchased themes and made it my point to provide the visitors with the best content I can provide.

I have twitter, facebook, digg and stumbleupon accounts. I share my posts but it's rare to get a link back. PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW.. Adult Sites.

Since the beginning of October I have lost all my rankings. Terms I was P1 for I are no where to be found.
After Oct 4th I noticed my trafic drop as well, by 60%..

Unless things change I am effectively out of business.

It's easy to say I don't care about Google but (in my case) Google send me 90% of my traffic. Take that away and what have I left?

Have you tried tumblr? It's generally easier to get followers on there.

Lucas do u know who seeric is ? He took a stand against piracy think it was somewhere in 2007, He does know his shit... Take his advice buddy:thumbsup

well a lot of high ranking cam white labels really tanked with this update...

I'd like to believe that but just don't.

Until they delete your blog ...

does someone knows the solution right now after the update on how to rank ????????

traffic up 20%+ across my networks. small % of sites lost but most held steady or gained