You can't work with the other side when the other side is unwilling to work with you.

The Republican party that Bill Clinton worked with was a vastly different animal than that which Obama was (and is) confronted with.

How's Hillary going to do any better when half of today's Republicans think she murdered Vince Foster?

So true.

They are just different beasts. The republicans when Clinton was in office hated him, but they still wanted to get things done and show the people that they could lead and be productive. The current republicans seem only interested in being against anything Obama wants.

In order to work with someone they have to be willing to work with you and I'm not sure the current crop of republicans will work with any democratic president.

Maybe I am wrong though. I guess we will have to see.

You mean the Republican Party that investigated him for years?
Had a special prosecutor named Ken Starr who threw the Clinton's friends in jail for not testifying against them?
And then IMPEACHED him?

Yeah, those Republicans were so much better and nicer.

Fact is...Bill Clinton was a better president hands down.

Presidents either rise to the occasion and make it work or they don't

If you owned a large company and the CEO was complaining that the VP's we not doing what he told them to do, all 20 of them lets say, do you really think it's the VP's fault, or would you replace the CEO and find someone that can handle the job.

I say this because it's his job to get things done, what ever the reason, it's not getting done. Right now he is bypassing anything he wants to pass by executive order and congress is not getting a vote. Congress are the representatives of the people and Obama is not the king!

How can you expect people to work with people that pass something so shitty as healthcare ?

If this was one of their better ideas, I'd hate to read what other ideas they have.

The difference is that you can fire the CEO or some/all of the VP's. In this case you can't (at least until the election and only then if they are voted out) so you end up with republicans that refuse to work with the president or democrats and the democrats unable to change their minds and nobody is going anywhere.

It seems like in the past there were always some people on the opposing side that were willing to work with the other party. For example, Newt worked with Clinton. Right now it seems like there are none of those people and we are starting to see that if you do work with the president you get primaried. Ask Cantor how well agree with the president on the need for immigration reformed worked out for him.

Most of Obama's speeches highlight how the republicans are not working with him, how does that sound to the people that are being represented by those Obama is talking about when they are doing what their constituents want them to do?

Cantor paid that price because of it, he was listening to the president instead of the people he served.

That should be in incentive to work with them so that they can hope that they don't pass something like that again. They proved they can get a shitty bill through without your help so are you just going to sit by and pout and bitch and not work with them (which is what is happening), let them pass what they may, and then blame the problems of the country on them and hope people vote for you or are you going to try to work with them to get legislation passed that you can at least feel decent about?

Both parties have their leadership. Sure, the president is the CEO of the country and it is his job to lead the way, but at some point the opposition leadership should be responsible enough to say, "We can work with them on this or that and still help the country even if we aren't in power right now." Instead the republicans have simply taken their ball and gone home then bitched when the game goes on without them.

So people shouldn't hear the truth? While I think many voters from both sides of the spectrum have specific things they feel strongly about and will not budge on, most people seem pretty reasonable and I think they would rather see the country do well.

Congress has about a 10% approval rating. It isn't like the people are out there saying, "That congress is just doing everything they can to help the country, but that bastard Obama is stopping them at ever turn." The people know the congress is filled with assholes and I don't think their feelings are getting hurt too bad nor or they shocked when the president reminds them that their elected officials are refusing to work with him.

After what Hillary just said about Merkel I think she is not only going to run but win by a landslide.

I don't know if people care that she's a woman... I hope they don't vote for her BECAUSE she's a woman either... I think that by now, a candidate can win based on what they say they will do, regardless of gender or color.

Lol! Like what? Bengazi? Bahahahahahaha...

Actually, it's the GOP that refuses to work with Obama, voting against absolutely everything he wants. They hate him for the same reason you hate him. Because he's black.

The only time US politics are not funny, is when they are very sad.

The rest of time time though, we get treated to gems like

There you go with your facts again, Robbie.

Obamacare is Romneycare, so presumably Romney would keep it the same insurance industry bailout it already is.

Goldman Sachs analysis estimates the top 5 insurance companies will increase approx 60% in value over the next 6 years. When has Romney ever been against big business?

I'm getting tired of you calling me a racist, putting you on ignore till I meet you at a convention so I can punch you in the throat!

That's exactly my point. The Republican party viciously attacked Obamacare, which is nothing more than Romenycare at the Federal level. The Republican party never worked with Obama on Obamacare, but if Mitt was in office they would have completely supported it.

It's bullshit politics.

Robbie mentioned Ken Star and the impeachment again - holy fucking shit that is politics at it's worse. I mean really, that was low - push the President into a corner where he had to choose between a lie and admitting in public he cheated on his wife, and then having the balls to impeach him over it? That's bullshit. That was as low as you can get in politics.

I agree. I am sooooooooooooo glad that I did not have to read about Fellatio Gate on Facebook and forums every day during the Clinton administration.

I think the only thing that Clinton did that got me upset was NAFTA. Even Hillary spoke about it needing changes when she ran for president.

The current Republican party has to make someone like Bob Dole wish he was dead. There has never been a nuttier, more unreasonable bunch of fruitcakes than the current House majority.

Not going to read through all this crap or get to involved, But WOW some of you people are fucking morons, Obama could close all hospitals in the USA and tell people when it's your time, it's your time. and half of you would say he is right. how much damage can they do to our country before you stop blaming those in the past?

Define reasonable?

If you think one side is nuttier than the other, you might want to check your meds.

and another fist fight at a convention that will never happen...

That's assault, brotha':

An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal and/or civil liability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault

No need to threaten me, Vendzilla. I'm done with the name calling. Your opinions are your own. For the record, I don't understand why you, from my point of view, believe what you believe. Regardless it is your constitutionally protected right to do so.

Good day.

That's the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.

If any president attempted to "close all the hospitals" he would be removed from office so quickly it would make our heads spin.

And the comment about "blaming those in the past" is pretty ridiculous also. We are blaming "those in the past" because they physically brought us to our knees, bringing us to by far the lowest point in our lifetimes. People ignore what just happened to us at the end of Bush's term; Exactly half the people on my street lost their house. Many more lost their jobs. It just doesn't get any worse than that. Everything we are doing today is because of what happened with the recession.

Republican party needs to push another, far better candidate

And the exact type of response I would expect to get, you really are clueless at what is currently going on. Now that everyone see's how shitty Obama care is, they want to say it's the same as what Romney wanted. Though similar it is in no way the same, and is a very small problem compared to other things going on.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

But I don't see how Obamacare is bad at all.

It's basically a law that says you must have healthcare, and makes a few other changes - such as doing away with pre-existiting conditions and allowing kids to stay on their parent's plans much longer. It also did away with plans that really weren't plans at all.

Did expenses go up? Of course. They've gone up every year so that's nothing new.

Did some people have to change doctors or plans? You betcha. But this happens every year; It's called open enrollment.

As with any law there is going to be some kinks to iron out. But I have yet to see anything that says this is "horrible".

It got the point across and he apologized.

Would be nice, but if the house and senate both go GOP like it looks like this fall, do you really want a GOP president? I prefer a balance. Bill Clinton's administration did well as such

You just refuse to listen, some people can't even get a doctor. The insurance companies are making the list of doctors that you can use to cut costs and they are doing so at an alarming rate. Peoples rates are going up more than you will admit and the deductible is increasing even faster. And now people that don't need healthcare have to spend money to pay for it and people that need it, still aren't getting it, but in your world, it's all about being up Obama's ass.

Also it seems the government is attacking hospitals and practices, putting may out of business. Drug companies are very limited on what they can do, and of course this puts a big strain on getting new better medications. I can't write all the inside things that I know here, and don't want to get into it all but I will say our healthcare system is being torn apart, It's not all about being forced into paying for health insurance or being fined for not having it, that is a small thing compared to other stuff going on. Just take a look around and see how many urgent care treatment centers, doctors offices and hospitals are having problems or going out of business.

I can't wait to watch you make a total fool of yourself again!

So your point is to take the problems we've always had with healthcare and blame them on Obamacare. Brilliant.

The cost of healthcare has gone up every year without exception. Every year it goes up.

http://www.healthscareonline.com/wp-...on-by-Year.bmp

I have a friend of mine who works for the state government - nineteen years. Her paygrade has tripled in nineteen years, yet every year she makes less because her healthcare goes up.

Can't find a doctor? Well, that's new isn't it? We've always had this problem - if you live in a small town you cannot find a pediatric cardiologist local to you. I live in a town of 50k and the nearest hospital is three cities away - But that has nothing to do with Obamacare because the hospital was in the same exact place before Obamacare.

My wife works for a foot doctor who is the only foot doctor in our area in the largest healthcare network. This hasn't changed in the past eight years. If you want a foot doctor in the network and you live in Auburn, you have to drive to Citrus Heights. This hasn't changed because of Obamacare - it's always been this way.

The recent changes are making it harder to find to find specialized doctors - because more people than ever before have healthcare and we can't suddenly deploy fifty thousand pediatric cardiologists because it takes eight years plus to train them.

All you do is complain and whine.

You've been shown fact and have heard from others on this very forum with their stories and still don't believe, so why try to convince someone now that has me on ignore?

Is it because I know the truth and that conflicts with your bullshit?

Here's the facts about finding a doctor

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgot...-in-obamacare/

http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/19/news...acare-doctors/

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-doctors.php
Many of the new health insurance plans have limited networks. Doctors have to sign up to accept insurance offered on ObamaCare's marketplaces . Some of the low-cost and free plans have a very limited network and these in-network doctors could get hit with more patients than they can handle. However the law does combat this by funding health centers (especially in low-income areas), funding and training of new health care professionals, and providing incentives for doctors to practice underserved communities.

http://nypost.com/2014/04/17/brain-p...-doctors-meds/

After four brain operations, Margaret Figueroa thought she was prepared for anything ? until she ran into ObamaCare.
?I?m frustrated with the system. I feel like I paid but I?m not getting what I paid for,? said Figueroa, 49, who broke down in tears while explaining her bureaucratic nightmare.
?It?s scary because this is America. I didn?t expect to go through this.?
Figueroa ? who has a neurological disorder ? said she enrolled in a new EmblemHealth insurance program in February as required under the Affordable Care Act. And that?s when her problems began.
After paying her premium, she received a temporary ID card. But when she went to order medication, the pharmacists said her name wasn?t in the system. And she said her doctors were not included in her new medical plan.


So here's your problem, you want me to keep posting the truth that there are problems with your stand on this or do you just want to agree?

And don't give me that shit about this was going on already, all these say it's because of Obamacare

Republicans' Latest 2016 Savior? Mitt Romney!


http://abcnewsradioonline.com/storag...=1390594131780

Funny thing is...they are showing on the news channels (except MSNBC of course) snippets of Romney and Obama debating during the election where Romney is saying that unless we take a different course on several things (the MidEast, Russia, the economy, health care) that certain bad things are going to happen.

Obama chides him and wags his finger at Romney like he's a foolish child.

And the news story today is how RIGHT Romney was and how wrong Obama was. lol

Just goes to show ya.

By the way, on the Iraq thing...I think Obama is right. We should never have been there in the first place. And we should NEVER have stayed and tried to "nation build".

It doesn't work.

I also think he was right to try and get closer with Russia. I'm not convinced that Russia is doing anything "bad" anyway. They are getting a bit nationalistic (nowhere NEAR the level the U.S. is by the way) and aren't putting up with any of our "commands".

Voting on raising the debt limit without a major political brawl, when it was just fine to raise it so many times under Republican presidents -- so maybe we could keep our credit rating in good standing? Would that be reasonable?

How about not rejecting a UN treaty (which was ratified by 126 nations) that would allow disabled citizens around the world to have the same rights as everyone else. Would that be reasonable? Sidenote: Bob Dole(a disabled person) was present to witness his Republican compadres put that through with ease, and was disappointed ---of course because Republicans never seem to want to do the correct thing.

Not having meaningless votes around 50 times to repeal a law that's not going anywhere -- when they could be doing work on issues like immigration reform? Would that be reasonable?

How about not letting the FAA shut down? (until it started to impact their own travel plans) Would that be reasonable?

How about getting on board with all scientists to take steps toward improving the climate change situation? Especially when the EPA leaders of the last 4 republican administrations have also urged them to do so? Would that be reasonable? To quit acting like science doesn't exist because of the excuse "well, I'm not a scientist".

That's the tip of the iceberg. If you think this stuff is no big deal, then you're more brain dead and stubborn we all thought. You can't defend any of these shenanigans. It's all indefensible.

So you were the kid that said to his parents, why not? Billy's parents let him? Just because the republicans did it makes it right? NO

LOL, you should read more history, first it was Bush that Originally signed the treaty you are talking about, second, then new treaty had flaws in it that the Republicans had issues with. Mainly letting the Swiss run it.
Immigration reform can't happen when 1,000's of kids are crossing a unsecured border and giving up to border patrol. Fix that first.

So you were for it when Reagan fired all of them and replaced them?

Yeah, Obama putting all the energy companies under the will of the EPA, that will work when China doesn't have to listen, you do know we are all breathing the same air don't you?
I think I did a pretty good job!

I have a feeling if a republican wins the White House in 2016 the democrats may return the favor and pretty much filibuster and otherwise block anything and everything they want to do. Some of that will have to do with the make up of the house and senate at that time, but think there are a lot of democrats who saw the republicans become obstructionists and how it worked to help get them control of the house back and they will be eager to return the favor.

Any republican president may have a long, uphill battle ahead of them.