Unlike most of the news posted here, this is relevant to the industry you stupid monkey

I can't believe there is still that a big an interest in these Fast and Furious flicks

Eat a dick and die in a fire.

:1orglaugh

I did not see anybody supporting it. Most of the people are just discussing the methodology of counting lost sales.

He was selling hard copies, was caught before and made quite and unrepentant facebook post after he was popped and released.

He got three years probably won't do all of it. I would expect you to respond so considering your parent company is Manwin correct?

He was out to make money, plain and simple.

If someone else makes a movie and puts it up for sale, on internet and hard copies and they do NOT LICENSE IT TO YOU and you turn around and sell it you do not have a say when you get caught and are prosecuted by the laws of the land...GET IT????

DIMFUCKING PRICK - No wonder your sites convert like shit.

Fuck off :321GFY

I feel the same way as you :)

I didn't know he was selling Dvd's of it. That I don't agree with and he should got to jail!

Selling tangible disks is stealing. Selling or sharing a digital copy of a "virtual item" is still a gray area.

There's no grey area, IP is IP no matter what the medium is.

Selling something that does not belong to you is a grey area?

That was pretty funny...........oh wait, you're serious :Oh crap

Yesssss!

xxxxxxxxxxxx

I didn't realize I was begging for money! Selling someone else's content is stealing and very wrong. Sharing content is a gray area. I'm also a musician and I share my content all the time. I guess I am thinking more like a musician then a porn industry person. There are tons of people that download movies and music to preview then if the movie is good they go to the movies and watch it. They don't really have porn movie theaters anymore so I can see where you would be a bit sensitive on this subject!

I am rarely serious but this a legitimate thought process of people that think piracy is acceptable.

It does belong to you because you downloaded it. :)

Would sharing dvd copies be more acceptable than selling them?

I'm not sure if I understand what intellectual property actually means. If my neighbor tells me his secret recipe for lets say pork chops. I copy his recipe and his wife likes my pork chops better. So much that she gets a divorce and marries me. Does my neighbor go to the police and tell them I stole his intellectual property and his wife?

You're obviously no rocket scientist.

IP in the form of copyright is a work created by someone which is then protected by copyright law regardless of the format in which it is published.

Software, Video, Books, Unique Ideas, Newspaper Articles are all examples of IP which can be communicated using several different mediums - they all enjoy the same protection no matter what the medium is.

You can't like own an idea, man. :)

What I've noticed is that people who make all these counter arguments eventually lose.

It's pretty simple : Rich people made something; now watch them protect it. The end.

It will always end in favor of big money because free downloads don't create jobs or taxes.

.

Oh, so there's a thought process behind piracy ?

This is getting funnier with every post :)

Yours or mine? :winkwink:

Of course people think about it before downloading something for the first time. They wonder if they'll get in trouble and conclude whether it is stealing or a gray area. All humans rationalize their decisions.

You can own the unique expression of an idea. That is copyrightable and often trademarked.

Does that mean I can't recreate the idea? Or that I can't share the original idea and give the creator credit?

Intellectual Property:

Intangible rights protecting the products of human intelligence and creation, such as copyrightable works, patented inventions, Trademarks, and trade secrets. Although largely governed by federal law, state law also governs some aspects of intellectual property.

Intellectual property describes a wide variety of property created by musicians, authors, artists, and inventors. The law of intellectual property typically encompasses the areas of Copyright, Patents, and trademark law. It is intended largely to encourage the development of art, science, and information by granting certain property rights to all artists, which include inventors in the arts and the sciences. These rights allow artists to protect themselves from infringement, or the unauthorized use and misuse of their creations. Trademarks and service marks protect distinguishing features (such as names or package designs) that are associated with particular products or services and that indicate commercial source.

Copyright laws have roots in eighteenth-century English Law. Comprehensive patent laws can be traced to seventeenth-century England, and they have been a part of U.S. law since the colonial period. The copyright and patent concepts were both included in the U.S. Constitution. Under Article I, Section 8, Clause 8, of the Constitution, "The Congress shall have Power ? To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." The first trademark laws were passed by Congress in the late nineteenth century, and they derive their constitutional authority from the Commerce Clause.

The bulk of intellectual Property Law is contained in federal statutes. Copyrights are protected by the Copyright Act (17 U.S.C.A. §§ 101 et seq. [1994]); patents are covered in the Patent Act (35 U.S.C.A. §§ 101 et seq. [1994]), and trademark protection is provided by the Lanham Act (also known as the Trademark Act) (15 U.S.C.A. §§ 1501 et seq. [1994]).

Here here!

Well said!

Obviously you have never created anything worth protecting.

It really isn't.

That's your created content, so it's your choice whether to share freely or not. Piracy of content infringes on the lawful exclusive rights of the rights holder to distribute their content in the manner that they see fit.

Yours of course :1orglaugh

Because so far, the apparent "legitimate" thought process you've described is "will I get in trouble" and "am I stealing" is that really as far as it goes, come on there must be more.

Are the pirate forums slow today or something ?

See post 63 to remember how the conversation started.

People will compare downloading a movie to stealing a tangible copy or buying a bootleg. They may conclude it isn't as bad. There isn't anything more to think about.

So what if a friend downloads a movie and you go to their home and watch it! Is that illegal? < seems like a dumb question but maybe not!

When the staff members of the pirate hangouts start getting outed it stirs the hornets nest up a little.

That is when all the pro-piracy sympathizers come out of the cracks like cockroaches.

Meanwhile we just build lists of usernames,email addresses, and site URLs to take a closer look at.

It is always a joy to watch people inform on themselves.

:2 cents: :thumbsup

You anti piracy guys are touchy. I don't agree or disagree with piracy. I agree with people doing whatever they think is acceptable.

Even if that's breaking the law ?

We know your history.

For the record I watch pretty much everything on netflix. I'm to busy to watch a lot of stuff! and my adult site has one picture of me! In till I can figure out exactly how to make money with my site it will just stay like that and will never have stolen content on it!

I sometimes spend weeks even months on a song and to have someone climb a ladder and record my song then take it somewhere and sell it would piss me off.

Some movies take years to create and some albums take a very long time. I can kinda relate to how creators feel when their stuff is ripped off and spread over the web!

I am against people stealing other peoples stuff for profit. When I hear sharing I think of someone buying it then sharing it not stealing and sharing. Is there difference? maybe maybe not! I just agreed it was a grey area because there is a lot of different angles to it.

People do upload their own stuff to torrent sites to share. Someone stealing then uploading it is very wrong!

I just wanted to make sure everyone was clear on what I was actually saying. I think since all of us are into porn one way or another we all might have mush brains!

Is that a law everywhere? Rules need to be enforced else they'll be ignored.

I don't have a history. :)

Be right back, I'm going to rob a bank and rape the first hot chick I see. :thumbsup

Probably not the best post to reply to lol but did you get my message?

I think that law will be enforced more readily than downloading a bootleg of ff5.

robbery and rape = two well defined crimes
downloading a movie = unsure if it is a crime - is it petty theft? what do you even call it?

Is the penalty for downloading a movie harsher than sneaking into a movie? They would probably just throw you out or call your parents if caught in the theater without a ticket.

Piracy, Copy Right Infringement, Theft, etc.

That is why people get sent to prison and get ordered by the court to pay reparations.

Stop trying to justify crime. :2 cents:

We know that you prefer to see things your way rather than the legal way, however your way is wrong and illegal - deal with it because that's fact.

I know exactly where this started.

In any event, personal justifications have nothing to do with law, therefore in that important regard, piracy and the infringement of copyrights is not a grey area.

And as you've admirably demonstrated, when you originally said:

"this is a legitimate thought process of people that think piracy is acceptable"

there is (at least as far as you've been able to demonstrate) actually no thought process beyond "will I get caught". Your use of the word process was a little ambitious methinks ;)

Philip Danks rationed that way too and he's doing fantastically right now. So did Hana Beshara, Gottfrid Svartholm, Fredrick Neij, Jammie Thomas-Rasset and scores of others that unless you're being willfuly stupid, courts of law have proven this time again to be a very flawed rational to harbor.

At best, piracy is ignorance of law and/or a simple lack of moral compass at the end of the day.

I'm not trying to justify it. Rather, trying to define it and it's severity.

"What are you in for, big boy?"

:hi "I uploaded Fast & Furious to the internets."

:Oh crap

he's going to get a lot of street cred in there :upsidedow

You would then be able to sit at the big boy table! lol