Yours of course :1orglaugh

Because so far, the apparent "legitimate" thought process you've described is "will I get in trouble" and "am I stealing" is that really as far as it goes, come on there must be more.

Are the pirate forums slow today or something ?

See post 63 to remember how the conversation started.

People will compare downloading a movie to stealing a tangible copy or buying a bootleg. They may conclude it isn't as bad. There isn't anything more to think about.

So what if a friend downloads a movie and you go to their home and watch it! Is that illegal? < seems like a dumb question but maybe not!

When the staff members of the pirate hangouts start getting outed it stirs the hornets nest up a little.

That is when all the pro-piracy sympathizers come out of the cracks like cockroaches.

Meanwhile we just build lists of usernames,email addresses, and site URLs to take a closer look at.

It is always a joy to watch people inform on themselves.

:2 cents: :thumbsup

You anti piracy guys are touchy. I don't agree or disagree with piracy. I agree with people doing whatever they think is acceptable.

Even if that's breaking the law ?

We know your history.

For the record I watch pretty much everything on netflix. I'm to busy to watch a lot of stuff! and my adult site has one picture of me! In till I can figure out exactly how to make money with my site it will just stay like that and will never have stolen content on it!

I sometimes spend weeks even months on a song and to have someone climb a ladder and record my song then take it somewhere and sell it would piss me off.

Some movies take years to create and some albums take a very long time. I can kinda relate to how creators feel when their stuff is ripped off and spread over the web!

I am against people stealing other peoples stuff for profit. When I hear sharing I think of someone buying it then sharing it not stealing and sharing. Is there difference? maybe maybe not! I just agreed it was a grey area because there is a lot of different angles to it.

People do upload their own stuff to torrent sites to share. Someone stealing then uploading it is very wrong!

I just wanted to make sure everyone was clear on what I was actually saying. I think since all of us are into porn one way or another we all might have mush brains!

Is that a law everywhere? Rules need to be enforced else they'll be ignored.

I don't have a history. :)

Be right back, I'm going to rob a bank and rape the first hot chick I see. :thumbsup

Probably not the best post to reply to lol but did you get my message?

I think that law will be enforced more readily than downloading a bootleg of ff5.

robbery and rape = two well defined crimes
downloading a movie = unsure if it is a crime - is it petty theft? what do you even call it?

Is the penalty for downloading a movie harsher than sneaking into a movie? They would probably just throw you out or call your parents if caught in the theater without a ticket.

Piracy, Copy Right Infringement, Theft, etc.

That is why people get sent to prison and get ordered by the court to pay reparations.

Stop trying to justify crime. :2 cents:

We know that you prefer to see things your way rather than the legal way, however your way is wrong and illegal - deal with it because that's fact.

I know exactly where this started.

In any event, personal justifications have nothing to do with law, therefore in that important regard, piracy and the infringement of copyrights is not a grey area.

And as you've admirably demonstrated, when you originally said:

"this is a legitimate thought process of people that think piracy is acceptable"

there is (at least as far as you've been able to demonstrate) actually no thought process beyond "will I get caught". Your use of the word process was a little ambitious methinks ;)

Philip Danks rationed that way too and he's doing fantastically right now. So did Hana Beshara, Gottfrid Svartholm, Fredrick Neij, Jammie Thomas-Rasset and scores of others that unless you're being willfuly stupid, courts of law have proven this time again to be a very flawed rational to harbor.

At best, piracy is ignorance of law and/or a simple lack of moral compass at the end of the day.

I'm not trying to justify it. Rather, trying to define it and it's severity.

"What are you in for, big boy?"

:hi "I uploaded Fast & Furious to the internets."

:Oh crap

he's going to get a lot of street cred in there :upsidedow

You would then be able to sit at the big boy table! lol

Not without some of this first...
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...eNotWorthy.jpg

Incorrect, you said "I agree with people doing whatever they think is acceptable" What if I think robbery and rape are acceptable?

I said that those people who downloaded it SHOULD have paid the price of the ticket. If they did not want to see the movie, they should not have downloaded it. If they wanted to see the movie, they should have paid for the rights to view it.

This is irrelevant. The film companies invest heavily in these movies, and they deserve to make a full return on their investment, right down to the last $15.00 movie ticket. Theft is theft, and its nice to see a thief go to jail.

:1orglaugh

I'm pretty sure that you would have a very different opinion if a copy of a porn movie you shot ended up on a Tube site, making other people money.

No, it doesn't. It only belongs to you IF you pay for the rights. When you buy a movie ticket, you pay for the legal right for YOU to watch that movie 1 time.

When you buy a DVD or download, you pay for the right to watch the movie in your own home. However, you do not have the right to distribute the movie (to copy and give away or sell the DVD's, or to stream it online), or even to show the movie in a public venue such as a bar).


It's not just that. The act of making movies cost alot of money - $100 Million is the typical budget for big movies now. All the actors and all of the crew (thousands now) all deserve to be paid for their contribution to the movie. They get paid, and the studio makes a profit, on the per-ticket fees and licensing fees of the work they created.

No person, for no reason at all, is legally allowed to copy and redistribute that movie, unless the licensing fees are paid.

Who would disagree to watching a movie that was illegally downloaded? :angel

:party-smi

I have no problem passing on the viewing/using of pirated media.

I'm guessing that wasn't really a serious question.

It was, just wondered if anyone would outright refuse. But I understand your stance as you are the Piracy Pitbull! :)

I refused to before my involvement in copyright infringement and prior to other considerations such as media digitization and the advent of the internet etc etc.

If I want to watch something, I can buy it.

If I'm undecided, I can wait till it's released through an authorized outlet more economically, such as netflix, hulu, cable etc.

It's not difficult.

so, if a chick decides to Brodcast herself on a adult webchat, and a user records her broadcast and later uploads the broadcast....who gets to sue or press charges?

I buy the content I consume, that's what everyone should do :2 cents:

First, you. I know you were responding to the person responding to me, but I actually do create original content outside of adult and people steal it all the time. I don't watermark it, I don't copyright it, nothing. When I caught people stealing it, I would usually ask them to remove it attempt to get it removed from wherever under sites abuse policies and it pretty much always worked.

Then I stopped caring and policing and you know what? My content continued getting more popular, my social velocity continued increasing, and I haven't lost a dime. Because you know why? Those people who intentionally pirate my content and try and pass it off as their own, suck, and will do it to anyone anyway any time. Fuck 'em.

Granted I'm not a multibillion dollar corrupt industry, a little protection is in order. Which brings me to my second point, I didn't read [as I admitted] and I didn't know the guy made money off of physical copies and then taunted the production company. Well, he deserved what he got.

STILL. Piracy isn't the same as theft. Potential loss is not the same as cost. 99% of you have all pirated or broken some such laws all the same. Legalism is great when you're on the high and mighty side, isn't it?

I refused to use Napster right away.
It seemed illegal to me and I didn't want to get burned for downloading songs.
This was back when they first started Napster.

Do I watch stuff on youtube that is probably illegal upload?
Yes, all the time.

Do I think it's right to do those uploads?

No.

Do I speed like a MoFo when I drive?

yes.

Do I talk shit when I get a speeding ticket?

No.

:thumbsup

I wish he had that attitude about his wife.

:1orglaugh

All the bottom feeders claim piracy day in and day out is the sole reason for their ills, then when pirates are prosecuted, they side with the pirate. This is an industry full of self destructive dipshits.

This guy was just asking for it by bragging online.

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piracy as some of you guys call it = free advertising... and anyone who says otherwise is fortunate enough to afford paying for their advertising needs.

with respect to the exceptions, an independent artist embraces piracy with open arms... and gets offended if his or her shit is not pirated... cos let's be frank here, if it ain't good enough to be shared (or as some of you fellas call it, "pirated"), then who the fu#@ is gonna pay for it?

people ain't stupid, and this ain't the 90's, if it's not good enough to buy... it's not good enough to support.

to force people to pay for something that's available for free... come now, look how it went with the snake, God and his special little pet project ;]

you fellas gettin' all worked up about a "Robin Hood" who stole from the rich and gave to the deprived poor, when the real thieving bastards are the webmasters who jack content, place their own logo on it, change the name and advertise their pay-sites with it, or better yet, brazenly sell the stolen content on their site making bank without the slightest regard for the creators... funny that nobody brought that up yet...

and while on this topic... is watching a stolen video on the porn tubes illegal?

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It is in this country (Australia).

It would be in any country that is a signatory to the Berne Convention providing that they have not had a judgement or precedent saying that it isn't or haven't legislated making it legal.

https://torrentfreak.com/viewing-pir...t-says-140109/

However this ruling may be overturned.