I voted for...

"No, it's fine. Banning it would infringe on freedoms"

White Power
White History Month
etc... :thumbsup

Yo mamma.

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Why stop with banning just a flag? Let's ban message boards and porn.

Well California could consider getting the fuck out of Mexico.

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http://www.hiddenhispanicheritage.co...18328_orig.jpg

Exactly. :thumbsup

No. Just to keep brassmonkeys busy

Speaking of brassmonkey - he is quiet today..

He's busy reporting Eric to NAACP

what's stupid is the fact that you ask it in the USA (in france... it is ... so common)
(cf 1st amendment, a flag is a message)

50 bad ideas

Governor of SC Nikki Haley calls for removal of Confederate Flag from state capitol grounds...

Article here - Washington Post

I've seen and read ZERO stories calling for a ban, which would be against the First Amendment. The ONLY things I have seen are stories about removing the flag from government sponsored "speech" (government property other than museums, government flagpoles, license plates, etc). A US citizen can fly any flag he or she wants, provided they are willing to accept the consequences of exercising their free speech rights.

The question is should it be banned on government buildings (part of a state flag).

The answer is "Yes. Ban it as s state flag or flown on government buildings or government property (exception: historical reenactment or at historical location where appropriate to tell the story."

Ban it outright? "No." Why not? I want to see who the racists are.

The Confederate flag did not make that crazy boy shoot those people in that church, neither did his gun. The people who "have feelings" abot the flag, will find something else to be butthurt about.

Soon we'll see people who have feelings about the American flag's history calling for it to be removed, at minimum, redesigned, just you wait and see. "Just too much negative history behind it"

You're an idiot lost in revisionist history.

The confederate flag is the flag of treason against America.
They went to war against an elected standing American president.

End of story.

yeah the flag is shooting and killing people ...

let's see..... black on black crime/murder is at genocidal proportions, black fathers are abandoning their families at an all time high, 70%, generally a large percentage of the black population is illiterate at worst, semi illiterate at best, high unemployment if not completely unemployable, the terror threat is in the red, Russia and China are making moves to consolidate territory... uhmmmm I wonder..... what could it be......???????


oh yeah..... I see that being the fault of some piece of shit flag hanging on some shitty building is SC... makes perfect sense and thank God POTUS is shouting out to his 'niggas' in the media.....

we should have gotten rid of that piece of shit flag 150 years ago and we would all be sitting around the campfire singing Kumbaya in racial fucking harmony!!!!!!

Voted for yes.

Flying the Confederate flag on a US Gov't building is flying a rebel flag for traitors. The South wanted to break away and become their own country. It's ridiculous and remains there simply to race bait and stir up the population because it suits a political agenda by the powers that be. It's retarded and Southerners who relish their 'tradition'....well, I could go on and on about how retarded they are.

Hey Southern States: Get rid of the flag or we'll pull a General Sherman on you and burn your cities to the ground. Remember those fun times? No? Rent Gone With The Wind.

Larry Wilmore on The Nightly Show pretty much summed it up well. His two best points:

1. Take it down NOW then 'debate' whether to put it back up or not. How about that?
2. Why don't we fly the Union Jack on The White House lawn as 'respect' for our 'traditions'?

Whatever. Like abortion, guns, taxes, immigration and welfare (and many others) this topic is simply distraction and diversion so the people in power can continue to do whatever the fuck they want while Americans 'debate' this nonsense. Carry on....

Walmart and Sears are banning all merchandise with any link to the confederate flag.

The first line out of the Walmart spokesman's mouth regarding their decision: ""We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer. "

And American revolution was a treason against Great Britain. Are you mildly retarded?

Let societal and free market pressure take care of it. Banning involves government coercion limiting free speech. If people wish to vote to bring down the flag from a government building, that's fine. However they don't have the right to dictate to individuals or private businesses what they can say, or flag they fly, with the use of government force.

Even speaking as a Jew, I object to the banning of the Nazi flag, or banning holocaust denial, or banning ANY kind of speech. Does some speech offend me? Sure. Do I have some right to not be offended by anybody, which enables me to use government force to dictate what they can say, or what symbols they can use? NO!!





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Good point, no British government buildings fly the American flag or vice versa.

Idiot.


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I doubt very seriously if they study the American revolution in black history, a black girl I was shooting had never heard of romans before, no shit.... ... black history goes like this:

*Africa is the garden of Eden until the white man fucks it up
*Egyptian were the greatest black race ever lived and had flying saucers until the white homosexual child killers came and fucked it up
*Egyptians founded Greece and then Greeks founded Rome and it was awesome until white homosexual child killers came and fucked it up
*black Christopher Columbus discovered America 1000 years after black Egyptians had already been here and left... because the blacks loved and respected the American Indians
*black taken as slaves by the white homosexual child killers.
*the civil war
*whitey fucks black people over
*George Washington Carver invents peanut butter
*martin Luther King
*whitey fucks black people over
*Barck Jesus Obama
*kanya west
*whitey fucks black people over

very positive statement .. that's my thinking on Christians

I think that the flag should come down from government buildings, because it symbolizes slavery.... however, you should read the 10th amendment, as well as the federalist papers, to see the clear right that states were granted, to secede from the union. Slavery is the most hideous crime on the planet, and I'm glad it was eradicated here.... (I wish it wasn't still sanctioned in so much of the world still...), however these are two separate issues.

There may be another time in the future when a state votes that they wish to secede from the union, (maybe New Hampshire), and they will, and should, have the right to do so without being invaded by federal troops.


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actually, you're the revisionist. the secession was not treason.

the Constitution created a confederation of sovereign states.

Well there you go. Since every single damn thing in the US is about MONEY these days take the flag down based on economic reasons. Bad for business.

Unless, of course, you are in the business of racism. Ever been to Charleston? I have. It's like a living breathing museum of racism, the Confederacy and slavery. Fun, bring the whole family.

you might find this enjoyable

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secess..._United_States

I find a lot of debate an uncertainty about whether a state can secede in the way the confederates did it.

Some say they had no right to secede and others say they did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

Years ago there was a Jewish professor at a college in NY and someone painted a swastika on his office door. The offenders were arrested and punished, but the professor wasn't in a hurry to remove the swastika. When he was asked about it by the local news he told them the swastika was a constant reminder of a time when good triumphed over evil. For him the swastika wasn't a symbol of hate, but instead a symbol of hope.

The confederate flag is very similar. It represents a massive failure by the southern states. While I understand it's a part of our history and should not be ignore, it also should not be flown on government buildings.

Seriously dude, the professor simply wanted to milk the sympathy.

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Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god?

And if you look around any Government office you will find some interesting religious icons.

The founders were completely in favor of the right to secede. The United States had just seceded from the British Empire, exercising the right of the people to “alter or abolish”, by force, if necessary, a despotic government. The Declaration of Independence is the most famous act of secession in our history, even though now, somehow “secession” sounds different from, and more sinister than, "claiming independence". The fact was that the US colonies had seceded from the British Empire. The states were then known as a "confederation" of states, in which each state retained it's freedom, independence, and sovereignty, and powers of the federal government were granted and delegated by those sovereign states. Three states ratified the Constitution with the provision that they could later secede if they chose; the other ten states accepted this condition as valid with no need to memorialize it.

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution enumerates the powers granted to the federal government, and the power to prevent secession is not one of them. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments state that the powers not delegated to the United States (federal government) by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. This being the case, there was no legal force to use federal troops to oppose secession.

In the Federalist papers, Hamilton and Madison hoped secession would never happen, but they never denied that it was an acceptable possibility. They envisioned the people taking arms against the federal government if it exceeded its delegated powers (delegated by the sovereign states), or invaded their rights, and they admitted that this would be justified. Secession, including the resort to arms, was the final remedy against tyranny. (This is the one of the points of the Second Amendment).




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