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considering you can't reach the monthly minimum, I'm sure you're making a ton.:1orglaugh

If North Korea cannot be "talked" down...it will be taken down. There is not any way that the US will allow North Korea to build a Nuclear arsenal...and more importantly develop ICBM's.

Where did I say that its no big deal for a nation to be practicing slavery in 2003? You asked about other countries that had as wide spread slavery as the US, seemingly to imply that slavery in the US was something out of the ordinary.

My post was merely to show that slavery has been a part of most cultures for most of human history. The ideas of personal liberty and natural rights are comparably very new ideas. Today most people believe slavey is "evil", yet 2000 years ago it was simply a fact of life. You can't make sense of the past by imposing a modern perspective of right and wrong.

The US has no reason to apologize for slavery in the historical context. Is the world going to ask Italy to apologize or pay reparations to Europe, Asia Minor, and North Africa for the deeds of the Romans?

Still Laughing :) I reach it last year :Graucho

and not since you big timer!

From the Reich Wing handbook:

"When in doubt and all else fails use the phrase 'silly liberal' often, also be sure to blame Clintons penis as often as you like."

I'm sure this thread was talking about clinton and reich somewhere. :1orglaugh

have you ever had this discussion with a group of black people, odds are no. i have and the majority of the people who i have spoken to about this subject would love to go back to africa and rebuild. a few of the older people that i know actually have left and are living there now.

we survived slavery, the kkk, subpar living conditions, AIDS, no work, no money, no food and violence all around in this country, so whats the difference? less police violence?

your probably mistaken, who knows

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Unless I'm mistaken, more people immigrate to the US from Africa each year than the other way around.
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your probably mistaken, who knows


No, YOU are wrong Nap. Thy may not want to come to Okie, but they are certainly immigrating here locally. I used to deal with literally hundreds of men and women here from Somalia, Uganda, Yemen and several other African countries. In fact, their neighbors as well as extended families all pitch in to get one here and then he or she helps the rest to get to the States with money etc.

One of the really nice things about working with Africans is-was, they take the time to LEARN English and do their d*mndest to speak it well compared to the Hispanics that tend to think I should speak their dialect of Spanish. I learned one line of Spanish tho, Ni habla Anglais? Adios. Oh and I didn't say I learnt how to spell it right. :D

Other than that, this thread is ghey as Eq would say. lol You let 12 troll you guys too easily.

theking:

Sadly the term "talked down" is not a quality the US Admin is known for. It suffers a chronic lack of any form of diplomacy and frankly, is not trusted by other nations.

The US is known as a country that "invades" with a strong military force, dropping bombs, "threating", "warning" and issuing "ultimatums". All this is the easy bit as the bully on any block knows well, - he also, is the one incapable of "diplomacy".

Reducing conflict requires more than threats and involves much more effort than pressing buttons to dispatch bombs and threatening. As is evidenced in both Afhghanistan and Iraq, the "peace" is harder to achieve.

On North Korea, the typical US response was hit upon on your quote - "the US will allow North Korea to build .." Much as I do not agree with nuclear profliferation, it is not a question of what the "US will not allow". The US is not the government of North Korea. This kinda comment shows, once again, a degree of arrogance.

Meanwhile, all countries (excluding N Korea), involved in nuclear activities are subject to IAEA monitoring. It is notable that this monitoring excludes the US which has more WMD than all nations combined and is run by an Admin that makes rhetorical statements inviting people to attack the US, namely "Bring em on!".

Yemen isn't in Africa :thumbsup

Sorry Thrawn$... at the moment with the meds in my brain, I'm not real sure if Indiana is in the US. lol And now I can't even think of what country I was meaning to say. Its right there by Somalia somewheres. :)

It is a question of what the "US will not allow". If North Korea continues on its current path...North Korea will no longer exist...as it will be taken down. There then will only be one Korea.

FUck. Why it the hell people can't just do business. Politicans are fucking mindless bastards around the world.

It is PRECISELY a matter of what any political power with the willingness to exercise it will allow.

The Geneva conventions won't allow chemical weapons. What validity does that have? A lot if someone is willing to enforce it and none if no one is. If you don't "agree with nuclear proliferation" who do you believe should and would enforce it or do you think all nations should be on the "honor system"?

Every nation wields as much clout as it can in bending the world to it's advantage. Some join oil cartels, others join leagues or organizations or unions, and some form military alliances. They do this to increase their power and influence in the world. Why does it bother you that the US does this in proportion to it's ability but not say France or Russia?

For that matter, you likely believe that the UN should be able to tell the US what to do. What is the difference?

you havent proved i'm wrong. you just stated your opinion like i stated mine. i really don't care either way but since you made it a point to say i'm WRONG then prove it. until then shuttup.

You're excusing US slavery by comparing it to the holocaust?
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The holocause wasn't slavery, It was mass genocide.

The point is that many cultures have enslaved people. How do you think the egyptian pyramids were built?

The Romans had slaves.
Black Africans even had other Black African slaves!
The list goes on and on...

North Korea is asking for it by pushing the US over the edge on this issue and they will be in for a nasty surprise soon.

Yep...similar to sucide "by cop".

The part that drives me crazy about this is that a nuclear-armed North Korea is a WORLD problem. Seems like our ?allies? have decided to sit this issue out too. They seem more than happy to sit by and let us toil over it.

China is the only country that has lifted a finger about this. They would rather not have American nukes parked in South Korea anytime soon.

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so what dose Japan have to do with Germany being defeated? maybe you should recheck you're history.. because if we didn't drop those bombs, we would of had to invade Japan... and with how bad the fighting was in the pacific Islands... the war could have drug on another year or two... and cost many more lives...


guess you forgot about Peral Harbor and all... just remember they attacked us 1st and they didn't worry about killing civilans.
Japan got what it deserved at that time..

Did you survive slavery, the kkk, subpar living conditions, aids, no money, no food and violence or are you talking about your grand parents. Have you lived in Africa?

Simply because a person is black doesn't mean he will be accepted in an African tribe. Look at all the tribal violence where 100'000's are being slaughtered in the most violent ways.

You are an ousider to them and they have no respect for the lives of other tribes so what chance do you think you will stand? Once again have you lived there? If not get on the next plane to the Congo and if after a year you are still alive we can carry on the discussion :thumbsup

who was doing the capture and selling of the slaves?

So Iraqies have a carte blanche for killing Americans now?

they fire one JUST one at the USA there country is moon dust. They know this. For that matter any country, they are history.

I'm still fucking HOWLING over this one.. These guys should hire the Iraqi Information Minister. At least he was a little more convincing.

http://www.korea-dpr.com/history30.htm

Ouch!

Are you really stupid enough to believe this or are kidding, NOPE I think you be stupid.

I never said we needed to be in Iraq... I think something needed to be done, but not the way Bush went about it... I'm not in favor of us being there on our own... but then agin who could we rely on the French

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Guess you forgot about the US embargo against Japan a year before Pearl Harbour, which is considered an act of war.

It's better to learn history in the classroom, not the multiplex :thumbsup

So, which country in Africa is best structured? Has lowest corruption? No civil disorder? Has most efficient economical infra-structure?

South Africa.

Apartheid brought a lot of suffering to one group of people.
But today they are kings of Africa. Only ONE country to come even close is Nigeria, but ONLY because of natural resources (oil).
Again, makes you wonder eh?

Nope, neither the Russians or the Germmans... But maybe the UN would have been an option if cowboy didn't have such a bonner for Sadaam...

All those countries were side by side in the Gulf War and shared the expenses.

Why did something have to be done now?

Actually I don't mind, just seems like a curious time to do it. And Tony Blair basing UK involvement on a 12 year olds essay?
45 minute reactions?

I totally agree with stirring up the Arab world. It's society 1000 years ago. Screwed and dangerous to the rest of us.
Bomb 'em away.

But still, Bush is just not trustworthy. He's too stupid.

see someone trying to make sense without facts. you make good points and logic would say your right but the facts are:

1) If they have nukes that can reach us we will attack them first
2) Mattyd is already over there in Okinawa - they are deploying 100,000 troops all over the Asian theater as we speak
3) we didn't use all of our "smart bombs" in Iraq - we did use a good portion of our million dollar cruse missiles - most of the bigger so called "smart bombs" are surplus WWII dumb bomb with guidance systems added and we have ass loads of them
4) This guy Kim is a freak - he wears American cloths and watches our movies and he's got untested nukes. the point is he needs to be taken out!
5) If Bush wants to take them out it won't be a hard sell - some people in Bushes cabinet thought Korea was a bigger threat then Iraq and think we should have dealt with that first -

Wrong it's Botswana. In a World survey South Africa has dropped to 4th place. Civil disorder is at it's highest levels ever and unemployment is sky rocketing. Coruption is rife and AIDS is a major concern.

Their own President denied that AIDS was a huge problem and the AIDS NG organisation took the Government to court and they won.

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yeah good point but we didn't just blockade them for no reason. The Japanesse were an aggressor long before we placed the Oil embargo on Japan, it was China they were mainly fucking with and we didn't care. but the oil is what caused the attack - not sure of the dates but I think it was 6 months before the attack - then again I may have to watch tora tora tora again to be sure :thumbsup

Botswana?

Oh yeah, those guys are world players.

Ask any large country in the world which African country's opionon they value most... Botswana or South Africa.
My uneducated guess is South Africa.

I have no idea what rules in Botswana, but I have a pretty good idea. Either there's a strong colonial legacy, a very militant oppression rule, or a UN subsidized country with a corrupt black puppethead in charge.

No way in hell there's a democracy. Democracy and Africa is a 'mismatch error' isn't it?

Botswana...

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LOL Troels you are 100% correct. Botswana is a beautifull place and if you ever go there visit the Okavongo swamps.

You camp next to the crystal clear rivers and lakes at night and the hippos come out to feed. You hear them through the bush but you have to be carefull if you have a fire. The hippo thinks he is the African fire fighter and he will storm into your camp and stomp your fire dead LOL

Have I ever commented on the modern day human and its DNA legacy?

All people in the world - except Africans - have the same ancestral mother (Eve). There are 2 mitochondrial roots we all derive from (that means only 2 women!). Both African in origin. One made the crucial move OUT of Africa - one didn't. One had the capacity, one didn't. Anyone black today does not share the same 'building blocks' as the rest of the world.

Interesting huh?

which KKK site did you cut and paste that silly ass story from?

Science has proven some us evolved you moron!

Is that info correct? Wow that is interesting

Do a search on Google, ask around, I don't care. It is true.
There are 2 types of mitochondrial DNA. 2...
Not 1, not 3...

2!

You can read what I just said somewhere else.

Not questioning your mitochondrial DNA assertion - I question the biblical reference of EVE "All people in the world - except Africans - have the same ancestral mother (Eve)." Thats just racist bullshit!

Unless Eve was a fucking fish at one point then your quoting a fiction story from the bible told to nieve children for 1000's of years because they had no better information. Oh and I hate to break it to you there is no Santa Claus -= Try the TLC webpage they have a lot of information on Science - not a lot of made up KKK dribble