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grogan 07-16-2003 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by SportLife
Us? War? Noooooooo wayyyyyyyyyy


nahh, the netherlands will protect world order

Chichio 07-16-2003 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Troels


Do a search on Google, ask around, I don't care. It is true.
There are 2 types of mitochondrial DNA. 2...
Not 1, not 3...

2!

You can read what I just said somewhere else.

I think they've proven that we are all very similar because at one point in human history almost the whole lot of us died, not because we came from two women.

sexeducation 07-16-2003 04:53 PM

Some believe that democracy is the inevitable conclusion of an "educated society".

I am not aware of N. Korea as I would like to be.

Does N. Korea allow the live television broadcasts of other nations - like CNN.com?

Does N. Korea block internet transmissions like other nations are?

If they block world opinion they need to go - if they do not - then it's going to be very hard for the US to do anything about - what they started many moons ago - "nuclear deterance".

From my understanding - North Korea is a "dictatorship" ... and the usual "control" method is to block the opinion of the rest of the world - and it's own population.

If this is the case - we need to do something.

If this is not the case - it's going to be much more difficult - but we still need to do something because there is already to many nukes it the world.

Dad@

Chichio 07-16-2003 05:14 PM

Actually, they do a great job in brain washing their people. It isn?t like other oppressive nations where their people actually get a clue. They really buy into everything their government says. They believe that on the day Kim Jong-Il was born, there were rainbows in the sky and other supernatural events. They believe all kinds of government propaganda, and of course presently they believe we are responsible for them starving to death?oh and that we?re minutes away from invading them to further our Yankee imperialist goals. No, if we have to go to war with North Korea, we?re screwed. It won?t be a push over like Iraq was. They?ll fight like they are fighting for their god, Kim Jong-Il ?The Great Leader.?

sexeducation 07-16-2003 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by Chichio
Actually, they do a great job in brain washing their people. It isn?t like other oppressive nations where their people actually get a clue. They really buy into everything their government says. They believe that on the day Kim Jong-Il was born, there were rainbows in the sky and other supernatural events. They believe all kinds of government propaganda, and of course presently they believe we are responsible for them starving to death?oh and that we?re minutes away from invading them to further our Yankee imperialist goals. No, if we have to go to war with North Korea, we?re screwed. It won?t be a push over like Iraq was. They?ll fight like they are fighting for their god, Kim Jong-Il ?The Great Leader.?
Man that is scarey ...
It's like another Iraq - two decades ago.
I hate this world I am passing on to my son ...
It's so screwed up.

ChrisH 07-16-2003 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
The right wingers are in a bit of frenzy in the U.S. since their boy got caught lying. Check some of the post counts for GFY right wingers, you'll see a huge spike since Bush got caught lying.

Anyone turned on talk radio lately? Same story. They're all yelling, insulting "liberals" more than normal, trying to re-define lying, and talking real fast.

It's interesting to watch the pack running in every direction with their hero busted. :)

001

Wow.... I actually agree!! That fuck should be impeached for it too!!

As for Korea, Bush or no Bush they would be wiped off the map. Even Clinton said, that they wouldn't know their country as it now exists. If they make a mistake, there's going to be some angry motherfuckers in this world as they replay the devistation. :2 cents:

ChrisH 07-16-2003 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Colin


It's a function of pecking order, not the country itself. Because the US has the most influence on international affairs. Every nation that has ever been in the position the US is in acts similarly (usually more extreme actually). The British Empire, the Japanese Empire in the Pacific, the Spanish, the French, Germany, Prussia. Many more examples.

The behavior of such nations makes perfect sense to them and little sense to anyone else.

If nations act in what they believe is their best interest, and I argue that they almost always do, weaker nations will band together into pacts, leagues, organizations and any number of other alliances both formal and informal. Such nations call for increases in power of international bodies and law as a counterweight to the prevailing powers.

This has always been so. It is a common story in history.

What has changed is the function of imperialism. Up until World War II, the dominant world powers were traditionally empires.
Find an old map of Africa up until World War II. It was carved up by the imperial powers. There were hardly any African nations at all that were free from the world's imperial powers - if there were any at all.

Is the US the cause of the decrease in Empire or simply following a new international paradigm as to what dominant powers should be? We don't know the answer to that. It may very well be that the US is the cause f the decrease in Empire. After all, Empire was the name of the game until after World War II when the US came out as one of the world's two dominant powers. The USSR continued to annex countries and the US did not.

Some people like to say "The US isn't the world's cops". But the US is in many ways. That's just the way it is. So was Great Britian for many years. Powerful nations have always acted this way in accordance with their ability and the information and technology of the time.

You can say "What right does the US have to do such and such ..." but it doesn't mean anything. When has there ever been a time when might is not the sole determining factor in such things?

The more globally influential a country one lives in, the more likely one will be interested in the concept of international law. Those who live in countries that are weaker militarily and economically tend to see the world in terms of international bodies and laws, alliances, pacts, and leagues. Those who live in powerful countries tend to not.

Very well said!! :thumbsup

Nasty D 07-16-2003 07:03 PM

China loves their wild step child shaking up the region, and they are just sitting back and watching how we react. I hope Bush gets a grip on our nation soon, because we don't want 2 million chineese foot soldiers hitting the east coast!

Webby 07-16-2003 07:07 PM

theking:

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Colin...you tax Webby's little brain.
Stupid ass!!

Once again, you assume a lot King of Denial!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

NoCarrier 07-16-2003 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
Some believe that democracy is the inevitable conclusion of an "educated society".

I am not aware of N. Korea as I would like to be.

Does N. Korea allow the live television broadcasts of other nations - like CNN.com?

Does N. Korea block internet transmissions like other nations are?

If they block world opinion they need to go - if they do not - then it's going to be very hard for the US to do anything about - what they started many moons ago - "nuclear deterance".

From my understanding - North Korea is a "dictatorship" ... and the usual "control" method is to block the opinion of the rest of the world - and it's own population.

If this is the case - we need to do something.

If this is not the case - it's going to be much more difficult - but we still need to do something because there is already to many nukes it the world.

Dad@

No regime in the world today is more evil than the one in North Korea. It operates a system of slave labor camps that can be compared only to the worst nightmares of Stalin's gulag and the Nazis' places of confinement and death. To make matters worse, North Korea has weapons of mass destruction, with which the dictator Kim Jong Il intimidates his neighbors like a schoolyard bully.

In the face of all this, the international community has treated Kim's government far too generously. More important, it has failed to recognize the vital link between the issues of human rights and nuclear weapons.

The record shows that Kim Jong Il cannot be trusted or bargained with. His nuclear weapons program exists for one purpose: to threaten the international community and thereby blackmail it into providing aid. It is time for South Korea, Japan, the United States and other countries to stop dancing to North Korea's nuclear tunes and pursue a strategy that will bring about real change. That strategy must link future aid to fundamental reform: not just a cessation of the nuclear weapons program but abolition of the concentration camps and of the spectacularly failed collective farms, which are the cause of the widespread starvation.

A new international strategy must be based on what is happening inside North Korea. The country is a giant concentration camp, the world's last totalitarian regime. Without warning, appeal or reason, any North Korean can be sent to a slave labor camp for such "crimes" as reading a foreign newspaper, listening to a foreign broadcast, complaining about the food situation or refusing an arbitrary request from an official. Some 200,000 North Koreans are held in these camps, in horrifying conditions of torture, harsh labor, hunger and summary execution. In the past three decades, several hundred thousand North Koreans have died in the camps.

The existence of the concentration camps is an open secret. The United States and South Korean governments have satellite photographs documenting them in detail. They should show these photographs to the world, present specific evidence of the atrocities and demand that Kim Jong Il close down the camps in a verifiable way -- by opening them to international inspection.

Economically, North Korea is bankrupt, with a classic Stalinist system in need of sweeping reform. During the 1990s, famine killed hundreds of thousands of people.

But instead of learning a lesson from a crisis that drove the country to the brink of collapse, North Korea wasted five years rebuilding its old system with international aid, including extensive, unconditional giveaways by Kim Dae Jung's government in South Korea.

Today international food aid keeps the North Korean army fed and loyal, and the country barely afloat. But the people continue to suffer from hunger and oppression. And Pyongyang resorts to nuclear blackmail to extract even more international aid, while retreating from a very tentative agenda of structural reform and opening-up that the regime saw as a threat to its survival.

Defeating this nuclear blackmail requires a strategy that reaches beyond the nuclear program itself to the fundamental nature of the totalitarian regime. The regime is adept at playing the nationalist card with its nuclear program, propagandizing to its people that the country must have nuclear weapons in order not to be made "America's slaves."

What the North Korean government fears most is that its people will awake from their isolation and ignorance. That is why it imprisons those who listen to foreign broadcasts. Yet more and more are doing so. Despite the regime's cruel suppression, people's desire to know about the world continues to grow.

Kim Jong Il's regime is in an advanced state of decay. Bribery and corruption are rampant. So is organized crime. The regime is so desperately short of resources it cannot even pay and equip its security apparatus properly. More and more North Koreans (in the tens of thousands) have escaped across the border to China. A few, like me, have made their way eventually to South Korea or to other destinations. The regime is sustained only by force, fear and external resources. It is time to deny it that last prop.

The United States should increase radio broadcasting to the North, expose the regime's human rights atrocities and condition economic assistance on a complete closure of the concentration camps and a transparent and direct distribution of food to those North Koreans really in need. If other key states cooperate in these actions, the regime will be faced with a choice of fundamental change or collapse.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Jul11.html

Cheol-Hwan Kang, who writes for the Chosun Ilbo newspaper in Seoul, spent 10 years in a North Korean prison camp, where he and his family were sent when he was 9. He defected to South Korea in 1992. He and two other prison camp survivors will be honored July 16 by the National Endowment for Democracy for their work on behalf of human rights in North Korea.

theking 07-16-2003 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by Nasty D
China loves their wild step child shaking up the region, and they are just sitting back and watching how we react. I hope Bush gets a grip on our nation soon, because we don't want 2 million chineese foot soldiers hitting the east coast!
China has little love for North Korea and are attempting to intervene with the course that North Korea appears to be persuing.

The chinese do not have the capability to project their military forces globally.

alienpower 07-16-2003 07:24 PM

:ak47: :ak47: :ak47: destroy communists forever


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