honestly , I have read all the same stuff but each person's case is individual. I am not going to do something his doctor looked him directly in the eye and said would kill him. I am not saying it doesnt work for some diabetics but could you live with yourself if you changed your partners diet directly against a trained specialists personal advice and your partner died becase of it?

No but I would definitely not accept the opinion of just one trained specialist.

There are alot of factors that play into a doctor's decision to have you try one diet over another.

There is money from the drug manufacturers that come into play, politics, etc.

Let's not forget the recent phen/phen debacle, or the silicone breast implants...just proves the point that not every decision made by your physician is always the correct one in determining what is healthy and what is not.

Also the medical industry is not built on curing you.

Hate to sound conspiratorial but it's the truth.

Ask yourself when is the last time they actually cured anything.

All they do now is treat you and manage you...why?

Because it's all about the come back...they're just taking drug dealing to a whole new level.

Money makes the world go around :)

Lot's of great info on that forum, I'm on there a lot.

do you believe everything can be proven as long as it is true?

Ahh...I think I know you. You use Kelly in your nic there as well don't you?

I'm vegasman.

Dude just because you have no proof to back up your claims there is no need to go reaching here.

I already said it's an 'opinion', not a claim, and at least I don't base it on a flawed system that you're calling 'proof'.

LOL flawed system...once again "opinion."

This flawed system has not only been effective for going on 30 years, but is changing the way the medical establishment is thinking about the way we eat.

There are medical reports that come out all the time to back this up, case studies being done to prove that there are no ill effects on this plan with some of those covering decades.

So keep flouting your "opinion."

I'll continue to live on this "flawed system."

you just called something a proof, that isn't. a study not being able to find an ill affect in something definitely doesn't make it a proof.

is that enough of a 'proof' for you that this way of thinking is flawed?

anyway, as I said before, the proof issue doesn't get these arguments anywhere so I'll stop before wasting more time.

if you couldn't get it from my posts, im not attacking you, im attacking myself.. and im not attacking overweight people.. im not going to piss people off that much.. and it's not as if im a skinny guy looking and pointing.. im just being hard on myself.. im trying to keep motivated to exercise. If you took that as a personal attack then I sincerely apologise, I mean going over it it's not hard to see that I guess, but i was talking "with" you not "at" you. I too had an uncle that was overweight - he had a heart attack at 40, he's basically my genetic template and ANY amount of exercise would have prevented it coupled with a few more leafy greens of course, nothing as serious as a big diet...
Anyways I must say im not 300 pounds and at the point where exercise is difficult and a diet is obviously the best initial solution.
but I do have plenty of my own issues that prevent me from doing anything that involves a lot of impact or even jump... those have been my excuses for not exercising..

ok anyways, sorry for coming off as an ass, I was blowing off some steam yesterday - im off to try and get rid of my bitch tits.

Atkins Nutritionals (aka "The Atkins Corporation") sells books and pre-packaged LC products that generally taste like shit. You don't (and I recommend that you shouldn't) buy the bars, shakes, and all the other crap. Whole foods rule.

All one needs to successfully follow Atkins is a $6 paperback book. But you have to read it.

"I got "sick" from Atkins". How the hell can dropping sugar, flour and processed foods from your diet make you sick?

".......... Try exercise + veggies and cut down on fat, sugar, alcohol." No shit, I wonder where I heard that at before? Oh yeah, that's Atkins!

Atkins (and low-carbing in general) is not presented as a "Miracle Cure", it's a change in the way you eat for life. It is perfectly safe. I'll take the word of my endocrinologist over the Google-educated GFY doctors every time.

How's it going, Centurion? I'm still off the diabetes meds and at 66 lbs., how about you?

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That's funny, at our last cult meeting (ours is held at the Jaycees Hall), we were discussing how the naysayers heads spin around and they start snapping whenever we mention that it might in fact be good for them! :Graucho

Down 38 lbs in almost 5 months. Tad behind in my goal of down 50 by end of Sept. But still have a month to go so one never knows.

My blood surgar is excellent, same for cholesterol, feel great, lots of energy (In the middle of moving and I'm glad I'm not carrying that extra weight around while I do this fun project!).

Drink LOTS of water and work out. In other words, eating a sane diet while doing the other things I should and would be doing even if I wasn't doing Atkins.

It's a no brainer..get rid of the foods that are BAD for you.
Simple philosophy that seems to confuse people for some reason.:1orglaugh

P.S. Good to hear from ya too! Was wondering how you were doing. Sounds like you're still kicking butt which is great!:thumbsup

At what point does it become "proof" for you Lane? Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people with impressive wieght loss and improved health over the last 30 years isn't proof enough? Hundreds of studies that show the diet works aren't proof enough? At what point does it become true then? You tell us, as it doens't seem anything that is said here gets through to you.

The Atkins diet had me shitting blood and registering super high Triglyceride & cholesterol levels in my blood. My doctor said that if I didn't change my diet imediately that I would'nt live very long. That was enough scientific proof for me - continue arguing your theories, I am too young to die.

I think that was the Bud Atkins diet you were on.
Wrong Atkins.:1orglaugh

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I've never heard of food making you shit blood. I assume he did a rectal scope? He's not a fucking chiropractor, is he? My triglycerides and cholesterols all improved after I started LCing, and mine were all in normal range to begin with. Did you have problems with these prior to changing your way of eating?

Yeah, it's amazing what happens when you step away from the Doritos! :)